205 T15 or 405 T15

[rallycross]

If he wants to use it on the road a group B car is no use I have been out in a road going Rs200 and it was a pain to drive on normal roads/traffic.

They do come up as road cars though one here at a collector's in Portugal for
125,000 euros

http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=22435674...

Or you could have a happy cross between a 205 gti and a 405 T16 here (home made special)

http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=18815026...

Edited by rallycross on Monday 10th December 15:01

[GC8]

Eighteeteewhy said:

iva cosworth said:

I didn't even know the 405T16 existed apart from Dakar cars.

There was 200 205s though..........probably

Very very rare car, only a handfull in the UK.

Distinguished by 16" wheels and slightly different rear boot spoiler.




Good luck finding one Welshbeef!

Couple of misnomers here:

Firstly, there was road 205T16 and it was what we would expect (a homologation special), but the road 405T16 wasnt anything more than a hot saloon and it was a marketing name.

The 405T16 competition cars were only a marketing ploy and were actually a 205T16 LWB with a two door coupe 405 look-a-like body designed to promote the then-new model.

[monthefish]

iva cosworth said:

I didn't even know the 405T16 existed apart from Dakar cars.

Think PH did a feature on them quite recently....

[housen]

Welshbeef said:

Have a friend who has the funds for either of the above which should he go for (mind made up he wants one or other) the other issue is do motor sport versions ie pikes peak etc hold value or gain as much value as road cars? From my experience (limited) race cars are pretty limited to max value as their market place is pretty small whereas the road cars have much more potential demand or am I over killing it?


I cannot call it either way but looming forward to when he lands one and have a shotgun ride. .

from what i have read in this thread the 405 t15 doesnt even exist other than some old factory built racers ...so how can your freind have come to the conclusion he wants one or the other !? it doesnt sound like he knows whats hes doing but does have 50k to burn on the way

[E30M3SE]

Eighteeteewhy said:

Very very rare car, only a handfull in the UK.

Distinguished by 16" wheels and slightly different rear boot spoiler.




Good luck finding one Welshbeef!

Rear spoiler is no different from any other Phase II car (Mi16).

[GC8]

A 205T16 and a 406T16 are like chalk and cheese. One is a GroupB homologation special and the other is a warmish saloon with an evocative name, dreamed up by a cynical marketing department.

I seriously doubt that anyone with the money to buy the former would be in ignorance of the latter.

[GC8]

...and the 'real' 405T16 was a long wheel base 205T16 in a party frock.

[screwloose]

Sounds childish and not the reason you'd plump for one but the road-going 205 T16s aren't that quick really. A well peddled 205 MI16 would keep up with one if not be slightly quicker. The T16s are surprisingly heavy. Lifting the rear clamshell takes 2 of you to lift comfortably.

[Leins]

Think the proper names need to be used here to avoid the confusion. 205 Turbo 16 and 405 Turbo 16

405 T16 is a fine car too, but in a slightly lower league Would still quite fancy one of the Gendarmerie versions though!

[listie]

I have spent a fair bit of time in a 405 T16, albeit as a passenger due to a friend having on, if I had the money i'd have one tomorrow, they are a riot and with a few mods can be made seriously fast, 4x4, active suspension, looks like and everyday 405.

The 205 as most have said is a full on rally homologation special, whereas the 405 is a sporty saloon

[Mr Happy]

doogz said:

Leins said:

Think the proper names need to be used here to avoid the confusion. 205 Turbo 16 and 405 Turbo 16

405 T16 is a fine car too, but in a slightly lower league Would quite fancy one of the Gendarmerie versions!

What? You mean Mi16?

French cops used the 405 T16.

I'll also just leave this here to evoke more memories of the 405 Turbo16

[Leins]

Mr Happy said:

doogz said:

Leins said:

Think the proper names need to be used here to avoid the confusion. 205 Turbo 16 and 405 Turbo 16

405 T16 is a fine car too, but in a slightly lower league Would quite fancy one of the Gendarmerie versions!

What? You mean Mi16?

French cops used the 405 T16

[uncinquesei]

doogz said:

Also, what sort of enthusiast has £100k to spend on specifically a Peugeot, yet has to get his mate to ask on the internet on his behalf, to choose for him?

I call shenanigans. OP is an ASW who posts nonsense on a regular basis.

This. Definitely this.

[GC8]

All very well, but that 405T16 is NOTHING whatsoever like the 205T16, the LWB 205T16 or the '405T16' that it spawned.

On the other hand, the 205T16 road car and the 205T16 rally car are very much 'the same thing'.

[ruff'n'smov]

The world according to Wiki.

'In 1993, the T16 homologation special was introduced with a 2.0-litre 16-valve turbocharged XU10J4TE engine with watercooled chargecooler, constant four-wheel drive with 53/47% power distribution and self-regulating hydraulic rear axle. The T16 produced 200 hp (150 kW) at 1.1 bar (16 psi) (normal boost) 220 hp at 1.3 bar (19 psi) (overboost) for 45 seconds. 1061 examples were built, 60 of them for the French Police.'

[GC8]

Yes, hardly worthy of the T16 name.

[screwloose]

GC8 said:

All very well, but that 405T16 is NOTHING whatsoever like the 205T16, the LWB 205T16 or the '405T16' that it spawned.

On the other hand, the 205T16 road car and the 205T16 rally car are very much 'the same thing'.

Apart from the massive power difference

[GC8]

Do you have a point, other than trying to look clever?

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Welshbeef said:

Have a friend who has the funds for either of the above which should he go for (mind made up he wants one or other) the other issue is do motor sport versions ie pikes peak etc hold value or gain as much value as road cars? From my experience (limited) race cars are pretty limited to max value as their market place is pretty small whereas the road cars have much more potential demand or am I over killing it?


I cannot call it either way but looming forward to when he lands one and have a shotgun ride. .

did you ever loom in your mates 205 op?

[GC8]

Welshbeef said:

Have a friend...

Seriously doubting this...