RE: Jaguar C-X75 cancelled
Discussion
crofty1984 said:
snaelro said:
it is not a surprise. from the beginning it was making no sense. especially when in parallel they announce to go down market with a 3 series
jaguar was simply too arrogant and selfconfident when they announced the production of this car.
they don't have the image of ferrari or porsche and they have never produced a true sportscar, only some sort of muscle car with big v8 and auto box only able to drift and smoke their tyres.
Apart from the C,D, and E-Type.jaguar was simply too arrogant and selfconfident when they announced the production of this car.
they don't have the image of ferrari or porsche and they have never produced a true sportscar, only some sort of muscle car with big v8 and auto box only able to drift and smoke their tyres.
And the XJ220.
Sad to see this will end up as yet another of those concept cars that will never see the light
PascalBuyens said:
crofty1984 said:
snaelro said:
it is not a surprise. from the beginning it was making no sense. especially when in parallel they announce to go down market with a 3 series
jaguar was simply too arrogant and selfconfident when they announced the production of this car.
they don't have the image of ferrari or porsche and they have never produced a true sportscar, only some sort of muscle car with big v8 and auto box only able to drift and smoke their tyres.
Apart from the C,D, and E-Type.jaguar was simply too arrogant and selfconfident when they announced the production of this car.
they don't have the image of ferrari or porsche and they have never produced a true sportscar, only some sort of muscle car with big v8 and auto box only able to drift and smoke their tyres.
And the XJ220.
Sad to see this will end up as yet another of those concept cars that will never see the light
The mag "Motorsport" this month has a story about the XJR-14, which totally dominated the 1991 World Sportscar Championship, then went on to be a rebadged as a Mazda, then later on rebadged again as a pair of porsches (WSC-95) which won the 24h du mans outright, in 1996 and 1997.
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CraigyMc said:
PascalBuyens said:
crofty1984 said:
snaelro said:
it is not a surprise. from the beginning it was making no sense. especially when in parallel they announce to go down market with a 3 series
jaguar was simply too arrogant and selfconfident when they announced the production of this car.
they don't have the image of ferrari or porsche and they have never produced a true sportscar, only some sort of muscle car with big v8 and auto box only able to drift and smoke their tyres.
Apart from the C,D, and E-Type.jaguar was simply too arrogant and selfconfident when they announced the production of this car.
they don't have the image of ferrari or porsche and they have never produced a true sportscar, only some sort of muscle car with big v8 and auto box only able to drift and smoke their tyres.
And the XJ220.
Sad to see this will end up as yet another of those concept cars that will never see the light
The mag "Motorsport" this month has a story about the XJR-14, which totally dominated the 1991 World Sportscar Championship, then went on to be a rebadged as a Mazda, then later on rebadged again as a pair of porsches (WSC-95) which won the 24h du mans outright, in 1996 and 1997.
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In terms of the Group C cars, the pre-atmo cars were much closer to Jaguar. The V12 cars shared their block with the road cars and the V6 cars ditto.
snaelro said:
crofty1984 said:
Apart from the C,D, and E-Type.
And the XJ220.
that was more than 20 years ago...And the XJ220.
brakes, engine, gear boxes, chassis, electronic, ett have evolved quite a bit since then...the CX75 had carbon chassis, dual clutch gearbox, hybrid system, active aero, high capacity engine, things that jaguar has never done before
JLR is simply making a lot of noise to create interest.
only LR is doing quite well commercially. and even them are living on ford investment (evoque, alumnium chassis from XJ for the range, XK chassis for the f-type, engines...)
new engine factory in UK, new factory in saudi arabia, new factory in china, new assembly line in india, new design studio in USA and china, new factory for the CX75, tenths of new cars for the next 4 years, thousands of new employees...it just sounds to good to be true.
For those wondering about the noise of the jets in the original concept or melting the back of the car, take a look at the Chrysler turbine car from the 60's. That car was almost completely silent and the idea that a turbine would melt the car is a bit silly and doesn't really reflect how the turbines would work. Check out Jay Lenos garage, he has a video on the Chrysler turbine, a car that worked just fine. It's quite informative on the actual workings of the turbine. In a car application a heat exchanger would be used to draw the heat back into the induction loop and help heat the air to required temps. Wouldn't actually come out of the pipes with flames and such...
cathalm said:
For those wondering about the noise of the jets in the original concept or melting the back of the car, take a look at the Chrysler turbine car from the 60's. That car was almost completely silent and the idea that a turbine would melt the car is a bit silly and doesn't really reflect how the turbines would work. Check out Jay Lenos garage, he has a video on the Chrysler turbine, a car that worked just fine. It's quite informative on the actual workings of the turbine. In a car application a heat exchanger would be used to draw the heat back into the induction loop and help heat the air to required temps. Wouldn't actually come out of the pipes with flames and such...
The current American main battle tank as been running a pair of turbines as a powerpack for years and they don't melt anything.C
snaelro said:
JLR is simply making a lot of noise to create interest.
only LR is doing quite well commercially. and even them are living on ford investment (evoque, alumnium chassis from XJ for the range, XK chassis for the f-type, engines...)
new engine factory in UK, new factory in saudi arabia, new factory in china, new assembly line in india, new design studio in USA and china, new factory for the CX75, tenths of new cars for the next 4 years, thousands of new employees...it just sounds to good to be true.
JLR hasn't lived on Ford handouts but has had a few 'leftovers' from previous models. The Evoque has no Ford investment apart from using Halewood (ex Ford plant also built the Jag X-type) & about 10% of an old Ford platform & an Ecoboost petrol engine. The all new Range Rover (L405) had no input/investment from Ford. As for plants in Saudi, China, India & the UK I think it's called 'investing in the future' something that neither Ford, BMW, Rover or any previous owner had been able to do. only LR is doing quite well commercially. and even them are living on ford investment (evoque, alumnium chassis from XJ for the range, XK chassis for the f-type, engines...)
new engine factory in UK, new factory in saudi arabia, new factory in china, new assembly line in india, new design studio in USA and china, new factory for the CX75, tenths of new cars for the next 4 years, thousands of new employees...it just sounds to good to be true.
JLR is owned by TATA, get over it. TATA has invested heavily & expects a return on the investment & so far is being rewarded with increased sales & profits from JLR. Cars made in India or China will not be sold in the UK & will be tailored to that market. There's no 'Bangla Bangers' Jaguar or Land Rover.
You complain that Jaguar hasn't made a 'sports car' in 20 years then whinge about using new technology & creating interest & excitement in products. C-X75 was a concept, the original turbine engines were found to not be practical in a production car so were dropped for something that worked. It's a shame that it wasn't to be but it's not the first or last time that a company has backed down from production. The technology & knowledge gained will be used in future products. All companies use cross platform technology, it keeps costs down.
CraigyMc said:
cathalm said:
For those wondering about the noise of the jets in the original concept or melting the back of the car, take a look at the Chrysler turbine car from the 60's. That car was almost completely silent and the idea that a turbine would melt the car is a bit silly and doesn't really reflect how the turbines would work. Check out Jay Lenos garage, he has a video on the Chrysler turbine, a car that worked just fine. It's quite informative on the actual workings of the turbine. In a car application a heat exchanger would be used to draw the heat back into the induction loop and help heat the air to required temps. Wouldn't actually come out of the pipes with flames and such...
The current American main battle tank as been running a pair of turbines as a powerpack for years and they don't melt anything.C
MonkeySpanker said:
JLR hasn't lived on Ford handouts but has had a few 'leftovers' from previous models. The Evoque has no Ford investment apart from using Halewood (ex Ford plant also built the Jag X-type) & about 10% of an old Ford platform & an Ecoboost petrol engine. The all new Range Rover (L405) had no input/investment from Ford. As for plants in Saudi, China, India & the UK I think it's called 'investing in the future' something that neither Ford, BMW, Rover or any previous owner had been able to do.
JLR is owned by TATA, get over it. TATA has invested heavily & expects a return on the investment & so far is being rewarded with increased sales & profits from JLR. Cars made in India or China will not be sold in the UK & will be tailored to that market. There's no 'Bangla Bangers' Jaguar or Land Rover.
You complain that Jaguar hasn't made a 'sports car' in 20 years then whinge about using new technology & creating interest & excitement in products. C-X75 was a concept, the original turbine engines were found to not be practical in a production car so were dropped for something that worked. It's a shame that it wasn't to be but it's not the first or last time that a company has backed down from production. The technology & knowledge gained will be used in future products. All companies use cross platform technology, it keeps costs down.
the turbines only existed as prototype. again, put in the concept to make people talk. JLR is owned by TATA, get over it. TATA has invested heavily & expects a return on the investment & so far is being rewarded with increased sales & profits from JLR. Cars made in India or China will not be sold in the UK & will be tailored to that market. There's no 'Bangla Bangers' Jaguar or Land Rover.
You complain that Jaguar hasn't made a 'sports car' in 20 years then whinge about using new technology & creating interest & excitement in products. C-X75 was a concept, the original turbine engines were found to not be practical in a production car so were dropped for something that worked. It's a shame that it wasn't to be but it's not the first or last time that a company has backed down from production. The technology & knowledge gained will be used in future products. All companies use cross platform technology, it keeps costs down.
and the hybrid inline 4 wasn't working either. actually, they announced working with cosworth in the beginning, only to stop mentionning it few months later.
JLR is living on what ford left them : the evoque and XJ were developped and planned under ford ownership. it is actually ford that wanted an evoque, whereas LR didn't believed in it in the beginning.
they then reused the XJ platform to build the RR. off course, they did a good job, but in a way, it's ford that put them on track.
the F-type would have never seen the day of light without an XK plateform, done by ford and to be fair the will of Tata.
now we need to see how they evolve.
as for TATA, it sounds like a huge group, but tata motor, that owns JLR is rather small. I think they even produce less cars than JLR.
and they already suffered a lot when they had to inject money in 2008 to save the company.
LR is doing quite well, but Jaguar is far from being on a roll.
RacerMike said:
snaelro said:
they then reused the XJ platform to build the RR. off course, they did a good job, but in a way, it's ford that put them on track.
The Range Rover is not based on the XJ platform at all! It uses similar aluminium technology, but it's an all new platform.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff