RE: PH Blog: putting the hype into hypercars
Discussion
In principal, I go with the argumentation but BECAUSE of that, would not be the C-X75 just a great halo-car with a simple super-charged V8 engine (which they have on hand) in it.
In pricipal, they did the same with the XJ 220. It was a 6-pot-engine among 8 to 12 cylinders at the time.
Not many might want the "Hybrid-Hype". As correctly said, super sports cars are about the pantomime in the first place!
It is very sad not to see the DESIGN, the SHAPE of the C-X75 on the road or any car meeting !!!
In pricipal, they did the same with the XJ 220. It was a 6-pot-engine among 8 to 12 cylinders at the time.
Not many might want the "Hybrid-Hype". As correctly said, super sports cars are about the pantomime in the first place!
It is very sad not to see the DESIGN, the SHAPE of the C-X75 on the road or any car meeting !!!
I thought there was a massive amount of engineering effort going into actually making the crazy Jag? If it was all PR why bother with that?
I was under the impression that they'd moved on significantly from the 'fibreglass and dreams' traditional concept car. Was that all a smoke screen? Or is Mr Harris talking out of his bottom?
I was under the impression that they'd moved on significantly from the 'fibreglass and dreams' traditional concept car. Was that all a smoke screen? Or is Mr Harris talking out of his bottom?
hairykrishna said:
I thought there was a massive amount of engineering effort going into actually making the crazy Jag? If it was all PR why bother with that?
I was under the impression that they'd moved on significantly from the 'fibreglass and dreams' traditional concept car. Was that all a smoke screen? Or is Mr Harris talking out of his bottom?
The latter.I was under the impression that they'd moved on significantly from the 'fibreglass and dreams' traditional concept car. Was that all a smoke screen? Or is Mr Harris talking out of his bottom?
"The only problem being: Jaguar was never going to build the C-X75.
That it is a shame we shall never see a C-X75 on the road is not in doubt. That people genuinely thought it would make production must warm the cockles of every conman's heart.
Well, it would have - if it had ever intended to build the thing in the first place. Which it didn't"
Expressing opinion as fact is poor journalism. A little too much 'self knowing' from CH.
It's a pity as he often writes to a higher standard.
That it is a shame we shall never see a C-X75 on the road is not in doubt. That people genuinely thought it would make production must warm the cockles of every conman's heart.
Well, it would have - if it had ever intended to build the thing in the first place. Which it didn't"
Expressing opinion as fact is poor journalism. A little too much 'self knowing' from CH.
It's a pity as he often writes to a higher standard.
Edited by wemorgan on Wednesday 12th December 18:08
If they were never going to build it Chris. Yeah Right....
Why did they go to all the effort and bad publicity of building 5 road going versions that were not jet powered instead of a prototype they push around the shows and tell them - it is a jet powered electric car like everyone else would?
Now either JLR have so much money from the Chinese that they can do this sort of thing and are so ahead of the wave that they are getting out of the hyper sports car sector or they have a SNAFU.
Why did they go to all the effort and bad publicity of building 5 road going versions that were not jet powered instead of a prototype they push around the shows and tell them - it is a jet powered electric car like everyone else would?
Now either JLR have so much money from the Chinese that they can do this sort of thing and are so ahead of the wave that they are getting out of the hyper sports car sector or they have a SNAFU.
The fact is all the interesting things about the concept had already been changed to far more conventional ones, out go the interesting turbines, in comes a turbo 4 etc etc, it had the ill wind of the XJ220 all over it, with a car that should it have made production, would have been totally different to the concept everyone signed on for
A far better bet would have been to keep the looks and productionise it around conventional running gear like the 500HP V8, and sell it at a far more normal price tag
David1976 said:
Of this current generation of discussed Hypercar's I can only see the Ferrari being successful.
Turbo's in a Hypercar just reduce the drama. The lack of an exotic noise is frankly inexcusable given the absurdity of money required to enter this rare club.
Some may sell initially, but I stand by my reckoning that the Ferarri will be the only one in years to come to retain or increase in value.
This.Turbo's in a Hypercar just reduce the drama. The lack of an exotic noise is frankly inexcusable given the absurdity of money required to enter this rare club.
Some may sell initially, but I stand by my reckoning that the Ferarri will be the only one in years to come to retain or increase in value.
I also can't get over the 918's location for the exhaust. It's just cause exhaust sut and s
t to plow all over the rear of the car.Grovsie26 said:
This.
I also can't get over the 918's location for the exhaust. It's just cause exhaust sut and st to plow all over the rear of the car.
I don't think Hypercars are actually driven. Those that are are 'detailed' after each excursion. I also can't get over the 918's location for the exhaust. It's just cause exhaust sut and s
t to plow all over the rear of the car.Practicalities are not towards the top of the design brief.
wemorgan said:
Grovsie26 said:
This.
I also can't get over the 918's location for the exhaust. It's just cause exhaust sut and st to plow all over the rear of the car.
I don't think Hypercars are actually driven. Those that are are 'detailed' after each excursion. I also can't get over the 918's location for the exhaust. It's just cause exhaust sut and s
t to plow all over the rear of the car.Practicalities are not towards the top of the design brief.
David1976 said:
Of this current generation of discussed Hypercar's I can only see the Ferrari being successful.
Turbo's in a Hypercar just reduce the drama. The lack of an exotic noise is frankly inexcusable given the absurdity of money required to enter this rare club.
Some may sell initially, but I stand by my reckoning that the Ferarri will be the only one in years to come to retain or increase in value.
Don't tell any of those people that eulogise about the F40 that, they may have their illusions shattered Turbo's in a Hypercar just reduce the drama. The lack of an exotic noise is frankly inexcusable given the absurdity of money required to enter this rare club.
Some may sell initially, but I stand by my reckoning that the Ferarri will be the only one in years to come to retain or increase in value.
RenOHH said:
wemorgan said:
Grovsie26 said:
This.
I also can't get over the 918's location for the exhaust. It's just cause exhaust sut and st to plow all over the rear of the car.
I don't think Hypercars are actually driven. Those that are are 'detailed' after each excursion. I also can't get over the 918's location for the exhaust. It's just cause exhaust sut and s
t to plow all over the rear of the car.Practicalities are not towards the top of the design brief.
Max_Torque said:
wotnot said:
Guvernator said:
A hypercar fails as a green PR machine before it's even left the garage so again I really don't see the point.
That's because it isn't a green PR machine it's a technological tour de force. Buyers want them because they use absolute cutting edge technology that isn't replacing the internal combustion engine it's augmenting it. These are hybrids which will still make amazing noises and, let's be honest, how many hypercar buyers need to trade in their old model against a shiny new one anyway?
As for the extra dimension, I'm not sure what that's supposed to be. You can make a car more powerful quite easily without sticking several hundred kilo's worth of batteries in it which will blunt perfomance, handling and braking. Sorry but however way you cut it, a hybrid hypercar is a pointless exercise to me.
The body design of the jag did nothing for me. I was looking forward to a modern interpretation of the gas turbine in a car. The press would have probably slated it anyway ( car journalist ). Damned if you do damned if you don't .
I'm just glad jaguar are secure now as only a few years ago it was twitchy bum time for them !
I'm just glad jaguar are secure now as only a few years ago it was twitchy bum time for them !
Guvernator said:
Max_Torque said:
wotnot said:
Guvernator said:
A hypercar fails as a green PR machine before it's even left the garage so again I really don't see the point.
That's because it isn't a green PR machine it's a technological tour de force. Buyers want them because they use absolute cutting edge technology that isn't replacing the internal combustion engine it's augmenting it. These are hybrids which will still make amazing noises and, let's be honest, how many hypercar buyers need to trade in their old model against a shiny new one anyway?
As for the extra dimension, I'm not sure what that's supposed to be. You can make a car more powerful quite easily without sticking several hundred kilo's worth of batteries in it which will blunt perfomance, handling and braking. Sorry but however way you cut it, a hybrid hypercar is a pointless exercise to me.
How many manufacturers have released amazing sounding concept cars that have gotten this far in the past and then stopped? A large number, this is because you talk up a beautiful advanced car that you can't actually make (without losing a fortune) then pull it at the last stage after it's been hyped all over the world for a year. Chris has the evidence of history on his side here.
All of you who say he is wrong and has no idea what he is saying, of course they were going to build it, what facts are you basing your opinion on then? You say he has none and rebut with none yourself? Not much of any argument.
All of you who say he is wrong and has no idea what he is saying, of course they were going to build it, what facts are you basing your opinion on then? You say he has none and rebut with none yourself? Not much of any argument.
I think you're almost always spot on Chris, but this time I have to take issue. How many $M hypercars can be sold these days? You don't have to care unless you're at the bottom of the list. So lets face it. Jaguar had to cancel it because it just wasn't good enough. Had they put more effort in to integrating turbine power and generators (a great application for turbines which run best at steady state - no matter how thirsty they are) they would/could have had a winner. Who wouldn't pay for a car that sounds like that? And yes, if it was a performance dog, then it's off the list. But was that certain to be so? Only if Jaguar can't get it to perform.
I guess I respect Jaguar for respecting Darwinism and knowing that they might have been winning that annual award. But I differ with Chris for not citing it that way, and instead thinking that Jag's story of a marketing ploy was their first and only plan.
Sad to know you're not a winner even before you get in the game.
V
I guess I respect Jaguar for respecting Darwinism and knowing that they might have been winning that annual award. But I differ with Chris for not citing it that way, and instead thinking that Jag's story of a marketing ploy was their first and only plan.
Sad to know you're not a winner even before you get in the game.
V
Zadkiel said:
How many manufacturers have released amazing sounding concept cars that have gotten this far in the past and then stopped? A large number, this is because you talk up a beautiful advanced car that you can't actually make (without losing a fortune) then pull it at the last stage after it's been hyped all over the world for a year. Chris has the evidence of history on his side here.
All of you who say he is wrong and has no idea what he is saying, of course they were going to build it, what facts are you basing your opinion on then? You say he has none and rebut with none yourself? Not much of any argument.
Yes we know what he is saying, we just don't treat it as gospel either. They built 5 of them, you can even buy one yourself soon. I agree with you Jaaag have done this over the decades since the 70's - XJS or the squint and it is a Mk2 Jag not a Mondeo. But this is a pretty f'cked up way of testing the market and improving your appeal in the Saga insurance market. Lexus have done pretty much the same process and they sold every one of their LFA cars. All of you who say he is wrong and has no idea what he is saying, of course they were going to build it, what facts are you basing your opinion on then? You say he has none and rebut with none yourself? Not much of any argument.
The only reason people are disappointed or surprised is that none of the process is as logical as everyone else. Even Lamborghini seems well thought out.
I did like the styling of the car and appreciate that the black gold is runningout and we need to look at alternatives, the jag idea was a different approach but possibly a company bankrupter (if that is a word) at the moment due to costs, retail sales and profits.
Better than sticking a few batteries in the floor to get a so called hybrid green car.
IMHO
ps Chris, i have just watched your old video with you as a passenger in the S4 and the lancia 037 - you looked really really scared, brilliant.
Merry xmas all, hic
Better than sticking a few batteries in the floor to get a so called hybrid green car.
IMHO
ps Chris, i have just watched your old video with you as a passenger in the S4 and the lancia 037 - you looked really really scared, brilliant.
Merry xmas all, hic
Garlick said:
In terms of something to launch with a fanfare at a global motorshow they were. When every other manufacturer is launching new kit, Jag can't rely on existing models to make a splash, they need to 'wow' like the rest and hence this concept was revealed.
In terms of motorshow presence the XJ and XF had been seen, reviewed and people wouldn't notice...as good a road car as they undoubtedly are.
The XF is based on the S-type itself based on a Lincoln, hardly cutting edge.In terms of motorshow presence the XJ and XF had been seen, reviewed and people wouldn't notice...as good a road car as they undoubtedly are.
The XJ is also an old chassis and can trace its roots back to 2003.
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