RE: Tell Me I'm Wrong: BMW Z8

RE: Tell Me I'm Wrong: BMW Z8

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Motorrad

6,811 posts

188 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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I remember looking at one for 40 grand and thinking I could do better.....went to look at a really mint 993 was a whisker away from buying that when I bought a diesel Golf. Sometime I wish I could go back in time and slap myself........

BTW they're lovely cars but worth nowhere near the premium they command these days when looked at objectively.

I also came withing a gnats whisker of forking out for a Z1 but that's an entirely different kettle of fish.

s2000db

1,155 posts

154 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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They couldn't give these away when they were produced and the final few sold for ridiculously low prices... And now they're worth a fortune...

Fools and their money lol...

Mermaid

21,492 posts

172 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Veeayt said:
In a word - styling exercise yes, driving machine no. The demand on Z8 means people prefer styling than driving in their cars.
And yet this 2001 mediocre handling gorgeous looking car was pretty quick at the 'Ring -8:07
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgr...

Compare that to modern stuff

Davey S2

13,097 posts

255 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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I used to like them until I found out Ronan Keating drove one.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

189 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Veeayt said:
In a word - styling exercise yes, driving machine no. The demand on Z8 means people prefer styling than driving in their cars.
I'm sure the Z8 drives fine. Maybe not if your surname is Clarkson or Needel, but what normal drivers actually care if they can't induce oversteer on the public road?

It looks great, I'd be it drives just fine and there aren't many around so it's pretty exclusive.




don logan

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3,521 posts

223 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Motorrad said:
I remember looking at one for 40 grand and thinking I could do better.....went to look at a really mint 993 was a whisker away from buying that when I bought a diesel Golf. Sometime I wish I could go back in time and slap myself........

BTW they're lovely cars but worth nowhere near the premium they command these days when looked at objectively.

I also came withing a gnats whisker of forking out for a Z1 but that's an entirely different kettle of fish.
My brother inlaw sold his for £42k (I`m guessing about 7yrs ago)but he`s a p3nis!

Devil2575

13,400 posts

189 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Motorrad said:
BTW they're lovely cars but worth nowhere near the premium they command these days when looked at objectively.
It is if you consider depreciation.

How much would a similar era 911 be worth now?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Who cares, the Z8 is stunningly beautiful car. And anyone with the cash to buy one could easily have a loud custom exhaust fitted and the suspension/geo revamped should they want.

schmalex

13,616 posts

207 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Simply. Stunning

HTP99

22,581 posts

141 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Lovely looking cars these, there is one near me that is used regularly and it's always nice to see it on the road, however they just don't look like an £80k car.

don logan

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3,521 posts

223 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Devil2575 said:
Veeayt said:
In a word - styling exercise yes, driving machine no. The demand on Z8 means people prefer styling than driving in their cars.
I'm sure the Z8 drives fine. Maybe not if your surname is Clarkson or Needel, but what normal drivers actually care if they can't induce oversteer on the public road?

It looks great, I'd be it drives just fine and there aren't many around so it's pretty exclusive.
Don`t be under any illusion that Clarkson is anything but a ham fisted / club footed oaf behind the wheel who has been trained to perform huge slides that usually end clumsily on an even more HUGE piece of runway etc!

Du1point8

21,612 posts

193 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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would have one in a heartbeat...

Lovely cars.


Leins

9,472 posts

149 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Never done anything for me, even the Alpina versions. And I'm a huge BMW and Alpina fan!


Motorrad said:
I also came withing a gnats whisker of forking out for a Z1 but that's an entirely different kettle of fish.
Now a Z1, on the other hand...

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

221 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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don logan said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
Krikkit said:
Beautiful car, surely the handling could be sorted with a bit of fettling, and you'd end up with something really desirable.
My thoughts too. Most dynamic short comings can be corrected with either in-house or aftermarket parts. IIRC, it was an American market only car, where 9/10ths precision isn't a top priority. I'm sure if it was Europised, it would be a nice car
But what in house bits were there?(apart from the fact that Alpina had a go but also added an auto box and insanely ugly wheels)

And who does aftermarket bits for a Z8?and why would they bother? (how much of it would they sell?)
I have no idea. What car is it based on, or is it a one off? I.e. what ever it's base is, use the sporting / M version bits off that. Maybe I should have said aftermarket or in-house "know how" instead of parts. The understeer could just be a simple geometry or ARB thing, which is easily sorted.

speedtwelve

3,510 posts

274 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Always liked the Z8. They look great in the flesh; I was out for a blat north of Otley in Yorks one evening when a Z8 came the other way, making progress. It looked and sounded great.

I certainly don't think they're worth £80k though.... Then again, there's an Integrale road car up for £85k at the moment.

virgilio

426 posts

146 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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I think the Z8 is a sort of black swan event in terms of classic car prices: it is not really that rare, nor particularly great, yet values are holding/going up in a way you can only compare to bona fide legends (F50/Enzo/Carrera GT etc). I cannot think of another car which experienced the same evolution. Maybe only the Citroen DS decapotable...No clue why?

Chris' comments on BMW's state of form made me think... I came to the conclusion that BMW is THE master for saloon cars, but almost a basket case for sportscars. Think about it: M3, 3.0CSL, M5, even normal E30, E36, E39, E38, etc are all legends. Yet, true single minded sportscars like Z8, M1, 507, 8-series albeit excellent were all manifestly inferior to the competition. Even 4-door M3s, when available, have always been 'secretly' better than their coupe counterpart (same applies to M5 vs M6 btw). Any thoughts on that?

RichB

51,597 posts

285 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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They are rather good looking, almost subtle and somewhat stylish, make me wonder why the current era Z4 is so gauche.

Trevor M

57 posts

146 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Why has the Z8 kept its value so high? They're about $120,000 Canadian!

It's two things:

LOOKS. There really have been very few head turning BMW's. Some handsome ones, yes. But real head turners? There was the M1 and there is the Z8 and the 507. That's it.

BMW FANBOYS. Look at how many of those there are out there. And I can see a lot of FANGIRLS loving it, too. Don't you think they all want a Z8 at some point? Of course they do. On either continent, they've got a pretty limited supply. And almost every one out there is kept minty -- so there are no bargain Z8's and everyone wants top dollar.

Then you throw in the outrageous promotion of the Z8 as a "collector's piece" by BMW themselves. Including a 50-year stockpile of spare parts!

As for some handling issues, I'm sure that a little digging on the internet will show how to dramatically improve the car for enthusiast driving.

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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I've always loved the styling. Never had a chance to drive one, but from everything I've read I have no particular desire to really. Shame because all the ingredients were there for it to be a truly great car.

I think the article gets it right - it's value these days is based on its status as a classic car, and it's far more important that classic cars are beautiful than that they're good.

LuS1fer

41,138 posts

246 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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To me, the Z8 was a BMW E-Type - though more the Series III - something to do with those rear lights and retro look. My view hasn't really changed and I'm not convinced that, had it borne a Jag badge, its success would have been any the greater.

It had the nmakings of a beauty but the corporate BMW nose and "image" just pipped it at the post of success.