RE: Spotted: Lexus LFA
Discussion
kambites said:
Porkie said:
Still dont want one like I want a Carrera GT... an F50... or even a Veyron Grandsport Vitesse.
Funny isn't it, none of them do anything for me at all but I adore the LFA. 
kambites said:
Probably true, but I don't see what that's got to do with it? Almost any manufacturer would have made more of almost any car if they could have sold more - does that make practically every car ever produced a failure?
No of course not, I didn't say it was a failure,I'm just saying it didn't sell as fast as people are claiming..they were offering it for quite a while.Grovsie26 said:
St John Smythe said:
Probably one of the best sounding cars ever built. Just a shame that the performance doesn't live up to the competition.
Yeah? whats that then? 0-60 in 3.7 seconds isn't fast enough?Also:
On September 2, 2011 reports came from Lexus via Twitter as well as Chris Harris of Evo Magazine that the Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package completed a lap of the Nurburgring in 7:14 with a top speed of 298 km/h on the "Dottinger" uphill climb, the fourth fastest time ever for a production car, and four seconds quicker than the Porsche 911 GT2 RS at 7:18
Slow POS Lexus then?
I've posted this link already but here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_AKjDdqaU
mat205125 said:
kambites said:
Porkie said:
Still dont want one like I want a Carrera GT... an F50... or even a Veyron Grandsport Vitesse.
Funny isn't it, none of them do anything for me at all but I adore the LFA. Unfortunately this is a factor most mainstream manufacturers fail to consider at best or at worst try to fix by piping electronic noises into the cabin which is missing the point completely.
Guvernator said:
A highly misunderstood car which was partly Toyota\Lexus's fault as it spent far too long in gestation\development. Also not helped by the fact that people assumed this was going to be the next Supra at £60k-£80k and were quite shocked to find it wasn't and cost nearly £400k.
What also went against it was the fact that when it was released it really wasn't a headline grabber in terms of on paper stats. It wasn't more powerful or quicker than any of the competition, in fact the most shocking statistic was again the price. All this conspired to make people very confused about why Toyota made this car in the first place. The fact that it doesn't look very outlandish in pictures was the last nail.
However if you dig deeper, look past the on paper stats, "the wrong badge" and the fact that it doesn't have wings\scaffolding hanging off it, I really think it's one of the most exciting cars to be released in a long time. The engineering and attention to detail would put Ferrari and Lamborghini to shame, only Pagani comes close. The engine is a true classic, not the most powerful but it definitely has enough and what it lacks in hp, it more than makes up for in it's throttle response and aural delight. It almost seems like the anti-thesis to normal hyper-car convention as it sticks two fingers up at the number chasing but inevitably dull Veyron.
I truly think they have been underrated and in time, like the Carrera GT, people will understand that a supercar isn't just about the numbers and just how much they got right on this car at which point they'll sharply start to appreciate in value. I'd take one of these over a Veyron any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
I like this car in some ways, but I don't get it. Your second paragraph is a good synopsis of why and despite everyone saying that some people just don't get it, they don't answer the questions in that paragraph, do they?What also went against it was the fact that when it was released it really wasn't a headline grabber in terms of on paper stats. It wasn't more powerful or quicker than any of the competition, in fact the most shocking statistic was again the price. All this conspired to make people very confused about why Toyota made this car in the first place. The fact that it doesn't look very outlandish in pictures was the last nail.
However if you dig deeper, look past the on paper stats, "the wrong badge" and the fact that it doesn't have wings\scaffolding hanging off it, I really think it's one of the most exciting cars to be released in a long time. The engineering and attention to detail would put Ferrari and Lamborghini to shame, only Pagani comes close. The engine is a true classic, not the most powerful but it definitely has enough and what it lacks in hp, it more than makes up for in it's throttle response and aural delight. It almost seems like the anti-thesis to normal hyper-car convention as it sticks two fingers up at the number chasing but inevitably dull Veyron.
I truly think they have been underrated and in time, like the Carrera GT, people will understand that a supercar isn't just about the numbers and just how much they got right on this car at which point they'll sharply start to appreciate in value. I'd take one of these over a Veyron any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Sir_Dave said:
Dear Santa.
I've been really really really really really really really good this year and I love you lots.
Please can I have this girl wrapped up under my tree and this car wrapped up in my garage.
I might not have time to play with the car for a whole year, but I have been really really good.
Love.
Adam
Age 27 1/2
Sir_Dave said:
Oh......jesusSt John Smythe said:
No one mentioned a 'slow POS Lexus', so I'm not sure where you go that from?
I've posted this link already but here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_AKjDdqaU
Indeed ive seen the link. Completey retarded thinking it's slow because of that.I've posted this link already but here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_AKjDdqaU
The Veryon is basically the fastest thing ever in 0-60 and drag starts.
The Aventator is also seriously quick off the line as it's 4wd.
So your comment is soley made from that link? Pretty dumb.
Grovsie26 said:
St John Smythe said:
No one mentioned a 'slow POS Lexus', so I'm not sure where you go that from?
I've posted this link already but here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_AKjDdqaU
Indeed ive seen the link. Completey retarded thinking it's slow because of that.I've posted this link already but here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_AKjDdqaU
The Veryon is basically the fastest thing ever in 0-60 and drag starts.
The Aventator is also seriously quick off the line as it's 4wd.
So your comment is soley made from that link? Pretty dumb.
Dagnut said:
Lexus would of made more the 500 if they could of sold them which I think is shown by the fact they were showing a roadster.
Wrong, from day one it was going to be a maximum of 500 and it was produced at the rate intended, every sigle one was sold before they were built, there were no built cars lying around unsoldThey lost money on every one - one of the reasons they decided no more than 500
Edited by Andy665 on Tuesday 18th December 22:10
How about we go halves?Andy665 said:
Wrong, from day one it was going to be a maximum of 500 and it was produced at the rate intended, every single one was sold before they were built, there were no built cars lying around unsold
They lost money on every one - one of the reasons they decided no more than 500
This was 2012They lost money on every one - one of the reasons they decided no more than 500
Edited by Andy665 on Tuesday 18th December 22:10
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/22/lexus-lfa-almos...
"every single one was sold before it was built" care to qualify that?
The obvious way to recoup on any production process is too do a larger run...all the machines they purpose built, bespoke tooling etc...what you're saying makes no sense......unless they were hand crafted, which they went to great lengths with their marketing to show us they were not.
Edited by Dagnut on Tuesday 18th December 22:43
Dagnut said:
I agree with you, it's not just about the numbers...but all the talk of engineering excellence relates to manufacturing processes not to actual improvements to the cars dynamics, namely the weight.
Why go to all the trouble of making a compact V10, which weighs less then a V6, new composite materials etc when the car weighs in at the same as it's rivals which are slighter bigger and cost half as much?
The engineering may be amazing but what has it really delivered?
Toyota may have produced an incredible weaving machine, but in reality what does it matter if Mclaren are producing a similar tub by using magic pixies...the result is the same...the only difference being MClaren are not charging you for the privilege of improving their manufactuering processes.
The LF-A is more expensive because it is a 'supercar' with integrity.Why go to all the trouble of making a compact V10, which weighs less then a V6, new composite materials etc when the car weighs in at the same as it's rivals which are slighter bigger and cost half as much?
The engineering may be amazing but what has it really delivered?
Toyota may have produced an incredible weaving machine, but in reality what does it matter if Mclaren are producing a similar tub by using magic pixies...the result is the same...the only difference being MClaren are not charging you for the privilege of improving their manufactuering processes.
1500 Kilos with engine at the front is about optimal for a road car with this amount of power.
The integrity lies in that it has Grand Tourer sensibilities - but with a chassis so strong (no one bothered to mention chassis strength vs weight yet) and sophisticated light weight multi-link suspension with ceramic braking (very low unsprung weight compared to other expensive cars), you have a very rare combination of raciness in a very high quality real world usable car - also the attention to detail when it gets built is staggering.
You have to remember, the Japanese do not follow the old 1960's template of performance cars, small temperamental mid engined cars that can only really be enjoyed by professional racing drivers is not what they do.
Edited by CoupeCrazy on Tuesday 18th December 22:53
Edited by CoupeCrazy on Tuesday 18th December 22:54
CoupeCrazy said:
The LF-A is more expensive because it is a 'supercar' with integrity.
1500 Kilos with engine at the front is about optimal for a road car with this amount of power.
The integrity lies in that it has Grand Tourer sensibilities - but with a chassis so strong (no one bothered to mention chassis strength vs weight yet) and sophisticated light weight multi-link suspension with ceramic braking (very low unsprung weight compared to other expensive cars), you have a very rare combination of raciness in a very high quality real world usable car - also the attention to detail when it gets built is staggering.
You have to remember, the Japanese do not follow the old 1960's template of performance cars, small temperamental mid engined cars that can only really be enjoyed by professional racing drivers is not what they do.
You don't need to sell me on the LFA , it's masterpiece..I just don't know why everyone keeps spouting and defending the marketing when it's obvious bullsh!t.1500 Kilos with engine at the front is about optimal for a road car with this amount of power.
The integrity lies in that it has Grand Tourer sensibilities - but with a chassis so strong (no one bothered to mention chassis strength vs weight yet) and sophisticated light weight multi-link suspension with ceramic braking (very low unsprung weight compared to other expensive cars), you have a very rare combination of raciness in a very high quality real world usable car - also the attention to detail when it gets built is staggering.
You have to remember, the Japanese do not follow the old 1960's template of performance cars, small temperamental mid engined cars that can only really be enjoyed by professional racing drivers is not what they do.
Edited by CoupeCrazy on Tuesday 18th December 22:53
Edited by CoupeCrazy on Tuesday 18th December 22:54
The manufacturing process should not be selling you a car...it's entirely irrelevant if you end up with the same result.
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