RE: PH Fleet: Porsche Panamera Diesel

RE: PH Fleet: Porsche Panamera Diesel

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TheArchitect

1,238 posts

180 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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I decided to leave the winters over this summer and have only just dropped below the snow limit (4mm) after 23k of mixed driving. Only downside I noticed were slightly reduced MPG (came from Michelin energy green x) slightly sloppier handling (mk4 golf of 195 profiles) and a tiny bit more noise.

I would now consider recommending anyone who isn't bothered by fast road performance that they'd probably be better day to day on winters as it gives far more options than some summer based sports tyres that are useless in poor weather.

Great Pretender

26,140 posts

215 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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timothymcn said:
Will the new (and gorgeous) wagon version have 5 seats?
Doubtful. That's what the Cashcow Cayenne is for.

MartiniBianco

140 posts

151 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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kambites said:
Of all the ugly things about the Panamera, how on earth did you single out the tail-pipes? hehe
So right!

BoltonTVR

262 posts

265 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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I ran my car all summer on winter tyres with no problems, except on the one day this year when the temperature went into the thirties and I did find I was wheelspinning a bit out of junctions. Now I was only in a diesel A4 on 17 inch wheels and I didn't do a single drift all year, but the wear rate was superb on them. I got rid of the car last month and the tyres, after doing nearly 30k miles, still had a few mm left on them. I had Michelin Pilot Alpins.

Si_man306

458 posts

186 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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I'm sorry, if you're looking so close you can see how ugly the exhaust trims are...you better back up so you can take in how disgusting the rest of the thing looks!

Ok, so it's practical, but then so is a 1998 ford mondeo.

ghibbett

1,901 posts

186 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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Output Flange said:
Why are they so good at that? The tread pattern on mine doesn't look like it would be any better than summer tyres to my untrained eye.
Greater tread separation. The sipes and 'valleys' are wider and therefore clear water more effectively. They really are superb in wet weather. There's also greater tread depth on winter tyres, although of course that's something that diminishes with wear.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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I was under the impression that winter tyres offered reduced performance in standing water?

GranCab

2,902 posts

147 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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Also, for the final few thousand miles the worn rubber had a pronounced affect on the Panam's handling:

Effect Mr H ... cause and effect

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

266 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
I was under the impression that winter tyres offered reduced performance in standing water?
My experience is that they are great with deep puddles and just plow through them without aquaplaning, compared to normal tyres like T1Rs.

I could end that statement with a question mark if that would make it more confusing/make people read it like I'm Australian.

GroundEffect

13,844 posts

157 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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gofasterrosssco said:
"And why does the low coolant light come on in fast right-handers?"

Bit of a guess, but probably due to the shape of the coolant tank and location of the level sensor, meaning right-handers cause the fluid to be pushed away from the sensor side of the tank, thus indicating a low fluid level. Had this happen on a previous car. Try topping it up a little.
That's why I don't design a sensor in wink

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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a11y_m said:
dod said:
agree that it's a marginal case for enforcing winter tyres (during winter) in England, but running winter tyres during summer is simply nuts.
Wrong wrong wrong...

Continental Tyres said:
If you are reluctant to change tyres and have nowhere to store summer tyres when they are not in use, you are better off using winter tyres all year round.

Winter tyres are as quiet and comfortable as summer tyres and, thanks to sophisticated compound technology, do not wear any more quickly.

There is a slight trade off with stopping distances as a winter tyre does not stop as quickly in the dry as a summer tyre, however, on balance if it is not possible to switch tyres in the winter, experts say you are better off with winter tyres all year round. This is because the difference in stopping distances of summer tyres in winter is far greater than for winter tyres in the summer.
See for yourself: http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/uk/en/co...
Guys, do we really need another winter tyre thread? There are three or so running already!

y2blade

56,127 posts

216 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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I love these cloud9

PGM

2,168 posts

250 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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Replacement is easy, another one!

Guvernator

13,164 posts

166 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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I really cannot fathom why they've sold so many of these, they really are one of the ugliest things on 4 wheels available at the moment. Proof if any were needed that with the right badge on it, you can sell just about anything.

Bear Phils

891 posts

137 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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Quick diesel Porsche...
Winter tyres...
A pic of an mx-5...

This has the potential to be the greatest argument ever witnessed on PH.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

266 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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Bear Phils said:
Quick diesel Porsche...
Winter tyres...
A pic of an mx-5...

This has the potential to be the greatest argument ever witnessed on PH.
If it helps - the MX5 was bought with a loan from a high street bank...

PGM

2,168 posts

250 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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And the Porsche is a depreciating asset.

timlovett1982

15 posts

149 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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"£227 for Universal Audio Interface USB/iPod connector". Wow, just wow! £227 for an iPod lead!

Output Flange

Original Poster:

16,802 posts

212 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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timlovett1982 said:
"£227 for Universal Audio Interface USB/iPod connector". Wow, just wow! £227 for an iPod lead!
Except that's not what you get. Nice try though.

Maty

1,233 posts

214 months

Wednesday 19th December 2012
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Tires, meh, boring.

More info on the Duster please....... Looks like a poverty spec one, what's it like?