Koenigsegg. The unloved super car?
Discussion
Carl_Docklands said:
Why are they un-loved?
It is down to image and they only have themselves to blame.
Look at the state of the factory built Agera in this months evo, Purple with gold plated interior fittings.
If someone with more money than taste were to order this at Pagani's, Horacio would be more than happy to oblige. You can't blame Koenigsegg for the lack of common sense or decent eyesight of some of their customers.It is down to image and they only have themselves to blame.
Look at the state of the factory built Agera in this months evo, Purple with gold plated interior fittings.
Small example of what a Pagani can look like, when ordered by the wrong people:
Carl_Docklands said:
The Agera posted is not a customer specced one, it is a factory designed special edition, 1 of 3.
Paid designers who should know better actually specified what is supposed to be a supercar with a gold plated interior.
Is this mentioned in the EVO article? (my copy will take some 10 days to reach Belgium, so can't tell)Paid designers who should know better actually specified what is supposed to be a supercar with a gold plated interior.
I thought it was ordered by a Chinese guy, to his (dis)taste, and named the 'Zijin'.
Which is also the name of a big Chinese mining company. Don't know if there is a connection, though.
vincegail said:
Carl_Docklands said:
The Agera posted is not a customer specced one, it is a factory designed special edition, 1 of 3.
Paid designers who should know better actually specified what is supposed to be a supercar with a gold plated interior.
Is this mentioned in the EVO article? (my copy will take some 10 days to reach Belgium, so can't tell)Paid designers who should know better actually specified what is supposed to be a supercar with a gold plated interior.
I thought it was ordered by a Chinese guy, to his (dis)taste, and named the 'Zijin'.
Which is also the name of a big Chinese mining company. Don't know if there is a connection, though.
If it is a customer specced car then the question would be why Koenigsegg would want that particular Agera in the mag, not the best advert for the marque.
Carl_Docklands said:
Look at the state of the factory built Agera in this months evo, Purple with gold plated interior fittings.
Aren't all Agera's factory built?My first thought when i saw that car was Gulzar!
On a more serious note, many parts of the world have very different taste to maybe you or I. Likewise they also have a number of people with the money to buy and enjoy such cars.
Christian i'm sure knows this and is quite rightly aiming at these markets.
Koenigsegg may to many not be worshipped as much as Pagani but they're probably the 2nd most successful entrant to the hypercar market and should be congratulated for their success, not berated for being 2nd.
Carl_Docklands said:
Carl_Docklands said:
The Agera posted is not a customer specced one, it is a factory designed special edition, 1 of 3.
Paid designers who should know better actually specified what is supposed to be a supercar with a gold plated interior.
I have not read it yet, just looked at the photos. Could be a one-off specced by a customer and googling 'zijin' does produce a number of hits.Paid designers who should know better actually specified what is supposed to be a supercar with a gold plated interior.
If it is a customer specced car then the question would be why Koenigsegg would want that particular Agera in the mag, not the best advert for the marque.
100 IAN said:
On a more serious note, many parts of the world have very different taste to maybe you or I. Likewise they also have a number of people with the money to buy and enjoy such cars.
Christian i'm sure knows this and is quite rightly aiming at these markets.
Obviously this. My initial thought when seeing it was that it must be designed (by the client, naturally) for Singapore by night.Christian i'm sure knows this and is quite rightly aiming at these markets.
Edited by Tom73 on Thursday 31st January 12:15
100 IAN said:
Carl_Docklands said:
Look at the state of the factory built Agera in this months evo, Purple with gold plated interior fittings.
Aren't all Agera's factory built?My first thought when i saw that car was Gulzar!
On a more serious note, many parts of the world have very different taste to maybe you or I. Likewise they also have a number of people with the money to buy and enjoy such cars.
Christian i'm sure knows this and is quite rightly aiming at these markets.
Koenigsegg may to many not be worshipped as much as Pagani but they're probably the 2nd most successful entrant to the hypercar market and should be congratulated for their success, not berated for being 2nd.
For examples see Range Rover>KHAN, Porsche>Gemballa, Ferrari/Bentley>Mansory.
You will not see a factory gold plated Bentley, Porsche, Ferrari or Macca because it would damage the brand. Koenigsegg don't see this as a problem but this is the problem as to why they remain not as loved as Pagani, there is a very high chance that the Agera you will see will be an eyesore.
There are plenty of dodgy looking Paganis and Lambos to fill these pages but this is offset by a majority of a beautifully crafted and specced cars. Hence the percieved image of these marques being more valued. If Koenigsegg simply said "no" to some of these abominations, in time maybe they would get a larger following.
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Thursday 31st January 14:41
I don't know about this. When you are smart (or lucky) enough to spend this kind of money on a car, surely you can understand that the monstrosities other people order have nothing to do with your car?
There once was a pink Zonda. Not my taste, but would it have stopped me from buying a Zonda if I had the money to do so? No.
The gold plating in the interior is not to my taste, but I'd still buy an Agera!
There once was a pink Zonda. Not my taste, but would it have stopped me from buying a Zonda if I had the money to do so? No.
The gold plating in the interior is not to my taste, but I'd still buy an Agera!
k-ink said:
I was looking through Evo today at lunch. Annoyingly I ended up with a little sick in my mouth after seeing that Chinese abortion. The trouble with bending over to any clients whim is you end up looking like a cheap w
e.
It’s very easy to say that as an outsider, but Koenigsegg only turn over about £11-£13 million a year therefore they cannot afford to turn down any requests no matter how offensive they are to your eyes. But I have to agree with you it is a horrible looking thing. As a plus point pop over to the Koenigsegg web site and have a play on their configurator, believe me you will be able create a car that looks even worse than the one abovee. 
Pagani started the whole Liberace trend with with their gaudy gold anodizing and overzealous use of stripes and christmas lights. McLaren lined the F1's engine bay with gold foil under the guise that it was required it for heat insulation. Bugatti build porcelain cars. I repeat: porcelain cars.
Koenigsegg up until these last few years refused to deliver their cars in anything other than a one tone paint scheme and pure minimalism but now they're the worst culprit??? There really is no winning with you lot, is there? Clearly you are letting your irrational hate for Koenigsegg (and I'm assuming love for Pagani as these tend to go hand in hand) cloud your judgment.
If there is one thing that have made Koenigsegg appear to be unloved then it's you Pagani fanatics who acts like unpaid (hopefully) social media PR-firms and clutter every Koenigsegg topic ever known to man with unwarranted rubbish about the brand. It's like all of you have this strange synergy where you all look at a Koenigsegg topic and think to yourselves: "Hm. What is the appropriate discussion in this thread? Ah! My useless opinion about Pagani!!"
Edited by Tom73 on Thursday 31st January 21:47
Tom73 said:
Pagani started the whole Liberace trend with with their gaudy gold anodizing and overzealous use of stripes and christmas lights. McLaren lined the F1's engine bay with gold foil under the guise that it was required it for heat insulation. Bugatti build porcelain cars. I repeat: porcelain cars.
Koenigsegg up until these last few years refused to deliver their cars in anything other than a one tone paint scheme and pure minimalism but now they're the worst culprit??? There really is no winning with you lot, is there? Clearly you are letting your irrational hate for Koenigsegg (and I'm assuming love for Pagani as these tend to go hand in hand) cloud your judgment.
If there is one thing that have made Koenigsegg appear to be unloved then it's you Pagani fanatics who acts like unpaid (hopefully) social media PR-firms and clutter every Koenigsegg topic ever known to man with unwarranted rubbish about the brand. It's like all of you have this strange synergy where you all look at a Koenigsegg topic and think to yourselves: "Hm. What is the appropriate discussion in this thread? Ah! My useless opinion about Pagani!!"
Edited by Tom73 on Thursday 31st January 21:47
Tom73 said:
Pagani started the whole Liberace trend with with their gaudy gold anodizing and overzealous use of stripes and christmas lights. McLaren lined the F1's engine bay with gold foil under the guise that it was required it for heat insulation. Bugatti build porcelain cars. I repeat: porcelain cars.
Koenigsegg up until these last few years refused to deliver their cars in anything other than a one tone paint scheme and pure minimalism but now they're the worst culprit??? There really is no winning with you lot, is there? Clearly you are letting your irrational hate for Koenigsegg (and I'm assuming love for Pagani as these tend to go hand in hand) cloud your judgment.
If there is one thing that have made Koenigsegg appear to be unloved then it's you Pagani fanatics who acts like unpaid (hopefully) social media PR-firms and clutter every Koenigsegg topic ever known to man with unwarranted rubbish about the brand. It's like all of you have this strange synergy where you all look at a Koenigsegg topic and think to yourselves: "Hm. What is the appropriate discussion in this thread? Ah! My useless opinion about Pagani!!"
Edited by Tom73 on Thursday 31st January 21:47
I quite like the 'Evo' car, I don't see any issue with it personally, at least it's not painted lipstick pink.
I also love CvK's vision for future tech, in the evo article he's talking about his 'free valve' head, pneumatic 'valve springs' which means full vvt and the compressed air is replenished upon engine braking (using the engine as an air pump). That air can then be re-introduced in a sort of forced induction scenario under power or even used to drive the engine for 2km on air only!
I know it's not new tech as such but it's still an interesting thing to consider.
I also love CvK's vision for future tech, in the evo article he's talking about his 'free valve' head, pneumatic 'valve springs' which means full vvt and the compressed air is replenished upon engine braking (using the engine as an air pump). That air can then be re-introduced in a sort of forced induction scenario under power or even used to drive the engine for 2km on air only!
I know it's not new tech as such but it's still an interesting thing to consider.
Tom73 said:
Pagani started the whole Liberace trend with with their gaudy gold anodizing and overzealous use of stripes and christmas lights. McLaren lined the F1's engine bay with gold foil under the guise that it was required it for heat insulation. Bugatti build porcelain cars. I repeat: porcelain cars.
Koenigsegg up until these last few years refused to deliver their cars in anything other than a one tone paint scheme and pure minimalism but now they're the worst culprit??? There really is no winning with you lot, is there? Clearly you are letting your irrational hate for Koenigsegg (and I'm assuming love for Pagani as these tend to go hand in hand) cloud your judgment.
If there is one thing that have made Koenigsegg appear to be unloved then it's you Pagani fanatics who acts like unpaid (hopefully) social media PR-firms and clutter every Koenigsegg topic ever known to man with unwarranted rubbish about the brand. It's like all of you have this strange synergy where you all look at a Koenigsegg topic and think to yourselves: "Hm. What is the appropriate discussion in this thread? Ah! My useless opinion about Pagani!!"
Edited by Tom73 on Thursday 31st January 21:47
As for the introduction of Pagani into threads about Egg's why does this upset you so much? Both companies occupy the same space and chase the same customers so it’s obvious that any conversation about one is likely to include a references about the other. Don’t slam Pagani fanboyisim when you are just as much a Koenigsegg fanboy yourself. Both companies are now doing great things and this should be celebrated
As for taste, yes Pagani have built some questionable cars but even you have to admit that the Purple Egg complete with gold interior is pushing it a bit for western eyes. If you are Chinese by the way I apologise if I am calling your taste into question, it all comes down to cultural differences in the end.
So lighten up mate.
Oh by the way the last time we conversed you questioned the dynamic ability of the Huayra and its moveable aerodynamic aids. Having now seen the lap time at the Top Gear track do you still stand by those comments?
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