Koenigsegg. The unloved super car?
Discussion
Apache said:
jesus h keerist! what a beast, anyone with a hint of 4 star in their veins must desire one of these
Why? If you are spunking that sort of money. You want more than just speed (Look at the American supercar that is faster than a Veyron) You buy into the image and the heritage of the brand and perhaps the motorsport link. Koenisegg have, despite being around a while now, never addressed those points enough. 1 trick pony goes fast. But millions in the bank and I want a F1.
Apache said:
jesus h keerist! what a beast, anyone with a hint of 4 star in their veins must desire one of these
The one with the M6 speed comparison blew me away.There's quick and there's quick...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zin6TwtmiU&fea...
Rich_W said:
Apache said:
jesus h keerist! what a beast, anyone with a hint of 4 star in their veins must desire one of these
Why? If you are spunking that sort of money. You want more than just speed (Look at the American supercar that is faster than a Veyron) You buy into the image and the heritage of the brand and perhaps the motorsport link. Koenisegg have, despite being around a while now, never addressed those points enough. 1 trick pony goes fast. But millions in the bank and I want a F1.Rich_W said:
Why? If you are spunking that sort of money. You want more than just speed (Look at the American supercar that is faster than a Veyron) You buy into the image and the heritage of the brand and perhaps the motorsport link. Koenisegg have, despite being around a while now, never addressed those points enough. 1 trick pony goes fast. But millions in the bank and I want a F1.
What a load of b
ks. Anyways, the video against the M6 is really quite an eye opener. Shows a fast car and a rocket ship lol. Bloody hell.
slevin911 said:
welshjohn said:
People seem to forget about the gumpert appolo
lottery win I'd hunting one of these down
Agreed,the Gumpert appolo would be the only car I would ever by new.I dont believe in buying new cars but I would with A Gumpert just to try and keep them alive lottery win I'd hunting one of these down calibrax said:
Well, Koenigsegg is a niche manufacturer with no history/heritage, and is therefore not a well-known brand with "kudos" like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti etc. There's probably a fear that non-petrolheads won't be impressed and may think it's a kit car rather than a genuine supercar.
so how do you account for Zonda's success, they were another 'nobody'?irocfan said:
calibrax said:
Well, Koenigsegg is a niche manufacturer with no history/heritage, and is therefore not a well-known brand with "kudos" like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti etc. There's probably a fear that non-petrolheads won't be impressed and may think it's a kit car rather than a genuine supercar.
so how do you account for Zonda's success, they were another 'nobody'?I think they need to race (and also the Pagini's, would love to see GT racing with them involved) to get the same Kudos as they just don't have the presence of the other supercars.
Something about them has always struck me as slightly 'kit car' like.
Granted, they are an expensive kit car and it's somewhat insulting to call them such.
Buy a Pagani and virtually every component (as far as I'm aware) is hand-made and bespoke, genuinely bespoke.
The dashboard on a CCX for instance, was (from memory) a Stack dashboard, as often used in kit car builds.
And on all of their models I can easily recognise those rear reverse lights / reflectors on the bumper...
I guess it just doesn't have the same 'one off' flair of some other supercars, which is probably unfair...
Granted, they are an expensive kit car and it's somewhat insulting to call them such.
Buy a Pagani and virtually every component (as far as I'm aware) is hand-made and bespoke, genuinely bespoke.
The dashboard on a CCX for instance, was (from memory) a Stack dashboard, as often used in kit car builds.
And on all of their models I can easily recognise those rear reverse lights / reflectors on the bumper...
I guess it just doesn't have the same 'one off' flair of some other supercars, which is probably unfair...
Harji said:
I think they need to race (and also the Pagini's, would love to see GT racing with them involved) to get the same Kudos as they just don't have the presence of the other supercars.
I diagree. I don't think much kudos comes from racing these days because it's very expensive and generally done by privateers. It was different back in the 50s adn 60s when they were pushing boundaries and innovating but safety regs now largely dictate what can and can't be done and there can be no doubting the ability of the Pagani which doubtless got more kudos from Top Gear.The Formula 1 thing always bewilders me too. Why would I buy a road car based on whether the company race F1 cars?
I think rallying had more relavance to most manufacturers but that seems to have died the death and really, would anyone actually buy a Chevrolet despite the participation (and success???) in BTCC.
Publicity is good but any publicity will do.
C.A.R. said:
Buy a Pagani and virtually every component (as far as I'm aware) is hand-made and bespoke, genuinely bespoke.
The dashboard on a CCX for instance, was (from memory) a Stack dashboard, as often used in kit car builds.
Pagani used a ford/mg/rover (can't remember which) control unit for their heating system. Was a 40 pound item on eBay. The dashboard on a CCX for instance, was (from memory) a Stack dashboard, as often used in kit car builds.
There is a thread about it here somewhere, but can't find it.
Edited to add a few pictures that I did find after using different search parameters.
Edited by vincegail on Wednesday 9th January 13:17
C.A.R. said:
Something about them has always struck me as slightly 'kit car' like.
Granted, they are an expensive kit car and it's somewhat insulting to call them such.
Buy a Pagani and virtually every component (as far as I'm aware) is hand-made and bespoke, genuinely bespoke.
The dashboard on a CCX for instance, was (from memory) a Stack dashboard, as often used in kit car builds.
And on all of their models I can easily recognise those rear reverse lights / reflectors on the bumper...
I guess it just doesn't have the same 'one off' flair of some other supercars, which is probably unfair...
Couldn't disagree more, the company i work for designed the instrument cluster and associated electronics from the ground up, was a totally bespoke design and was the first of its class...... Just saying Granted, they are an expensive kit car and it's somewhat insulting to call them such.
Buy a Pagani and virtually every component (as far as I'm aware) is hand-made and bespoke, genuinely bespoke.
The dashboard on a CCX for instance, was (from memory) a Stack dashboard, as often used in kit car builds.
And on all of their models I can easily recognise those rear reverse lights / reflectors on the bumper...
I guess it just doesn't have the same 'one off' flair of some other supercars, which is probably unfair...
C.A.R. said:
Buy a Pagani and virtually every component (as far as I'm aware) is hand-made and bespoke, genuinely bespoke.
The dashboard on a CCX for instance, was (from memory) a Stack dashboard, as often used in kit car builds.
I believe Pagani used the instrument cluster from a Lancia Ypsilon (with a different face plate obviously). Which is far superior to Stack and not at all kit car-like, of course.The dashboard on a CCX for instance, was (from memory) a Stack dashboard, as often used in kit car builds.
Harji said:
irocfan said:
calibrax said:
Well, Koenigsegg is a niche manufacturer with no history/heritage, and is therefore not a well-known brand with "kudos" like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti etc. There's probably a fear that non-petrolheads won't be impressed and may think it's a kit car rather than a genuine supercar.
so how do you account for Zonda's success, they were another 'nobody'?I think they need to race (and also the Pagini's, would love to see GT racing with them involved) to get the same Kudos as they just don't have the presence of the other supercars.
It seems to me that the Pagani does well because of the attention to detail that has gone into every aspect of the car, so there's nothing about it that feels like it was put together in a garage.
Spyker come close too, but get complaints about understeer, and the Koenigseggs get a lot of complaints about control weighting and handling as well. They just get a slightly lukewarm reception. And a couple at least have hit the news after having single vehicle accidents.
And that's another advantage the Zonda has. It hasn't been crashed on an airfield while being driven by a highly regarded but anonymous individual for a popular TV show.
Edited by Alfanatic on Wednesday 9th January 13:47
LuS1fer said:
Zondas also only ever seem to incraese in value.
How great achievement have you actually achieved when your FIRST model keeps climbing in value!! Astonishingly remarkable...I am a bigger fan of the Zonda F (not the too tacky special editions). But, as a Scandinavian who happens to love minimalism (surprise!), I adore the Koenigsegg as well.
1) I truly love companies started by visionary men (Horatio Pagani, Soichiro Honda and this, Christian van Koenigsegg)
2) As long as it's not the overly used Chevy V8 from the Corvette, I don't care what kind of engine a small number supercar has (be it a E39 M5 engine in the Weismann, a Yamaha engine in the Noble M600 or a Ford engine in the Koenigsegg - not everyone is able to design their own engine...)
My favourite is the one in the black on in a Top Gear episode back in 03, 04 or sometime around that period. Was it a CC8S?
As with Zonda, the base Koenigsegg just went too tacky over the years, so I prefer a normal non Middle-Easter flavour edition (no offense)... Also, I never warmed up to the awkward side profile of the Kinderegg - a nice side profile is a big turn off (and vice versa)
BUT!! I've seen several Koenigsegg's on shows... And I tell you what... Even if I could, I wouldn't buy one... It's just too damn wide... Would loved to see it side by side with an Aventador, a Carrera GT and a Zonda just to see the width difference...
caraddict said:
BUT!! I've seen several Koenigsegg's on shows... And I tell you what... Even if I could, I wouldn't buy one... It's just too damn wide... Would loved to see it side by side with an Aventador, a Carrera GT and a Zonda just to see the width difference...
According to the manufacturer's websites, the Koenigsegg is narrower than both the Zonda and Huayra, and also the Aventador. The CGT is a decent bit narrower than all of them.david_b said:
caraddict said:
BUT!! I've seen several Koenigsegg's on shows... And I tell you what... Even if I could, I wouldn't buy one... It's just too damn wide... Would loved to see it side by side with an Aventador, a Carrera GT and a Zonda just to see the width difference...
According to the manufacturer's websites, the Koenigsegg is narrower than both the Zonda and Huayra, and also the Aventador. The CGT is a decent bit narrower than all of them.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff