GT 86 Shooting Break

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kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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braddo said:
Doesn't shooting brake come from the original?

Horse-drawn shooting brake:


Automotive shooting brake (i.e. customised at the rear to carry more people/stuff)

Yes it does, but how the original was spelled seems to vary fairly arbitrarily.

spreadsheet monkey

4,545 posts

228 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Daston

6,075 posts

204 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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More pics from Japan.











Maybe next family car!

aka_kerrly

12,419 posts

211 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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I approve, even if it looks a little like a cross of the Scirocco & Veloster

generationx

6,773 posts

106 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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But you read the article, right?

ZOLLAR

19,908 posts

174 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Daston said:
More pics from Japan.











Maybe next family car!
Mmm not quite so confident now.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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spreadsheet monkey said:
It's a solid no from me.

k-ink

9,070 posts

180 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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jof said:
ZOLLAR said:
Quite like it.

It's like a mini Ferrari FF hehe



Sorry no

It's like a Toyota hatchback
The term you are looking for is Hot Hatch hehe

k-ink

9,070 posts

180 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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Looking at the rear it is funking hideous.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

187 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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Put a decent engine in and I'd have one of them.

DonkeyApple

55,409 posts

170 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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y2blade said:
kambites said:
Captain Muppet said:
There is good ammunition here for both sides of the break/brake argument. My favourite bit being "The term brake was initially a chassis used to break-in horses".
Yeah I've read that before and pondered why it would have been spelled "brake" if it came from the term "break-in". hehe

I think the simple answer is that both spellings are valid.
I've always thought of it in the terms of using the car for a Shooting "Break" (IE decent sized car for a Shooting weekend away from home)
For example: http://ukshootingbreaks.com/

Spot the country boy biggrin
It is catagorically a term derived from a mode of transport and not the act of going away somewhere etc.

Game shooting used to be pretty much a country pursuit, where the local landowner would simply shoot his own land. However, during Victorian times, Prince Edward was a shooting and socialising fiend and suddenly game shooting became de rigueur and the done thing so lots of townies started turning up at estates to shoot. It was around this time that the working carts were press ganged into a means of transport to essentially enable fat, unfit townies to be shifted between stands. Plus, the heavy tweed attire needed to keep warm while standing still got long periods of time actually made walking any distance very difficult.

Various estates then started having their estate brakes retrofitted with actual carriages to keep the occupants dryer.

Then in Edwardian times, various estate owners motorised their shooting brakes and chassis from Rolls had carriages attached to them. And that is really the beginning of the application to motor vehicles.

At the same time, most of these estates also ran general cars for practical duties and these coined the phrase 'estate car'.

Two terms for pretty much the same thing.

What happened after the second war is that the term Estate Car got devalued by being applied to models from plebeian marques, like the words 'executive' or 'luxury' have come to have no value meaning in our modern society. As a result, the more pretentious marques desperate to differentiate themselves from inferior car manufacturers went looking for a different term for 'Estate' and they stumbled across the pretty much defunct term of shooting brake.

Since then it has been applied by English marques wanting to segregate themselves from the riffraff. Until we reach the point today where it is randomly applied to plebeian German minicabs and has pretty much, like all pretentious words seized upon by marketing team, become meaningless. Today it is just a term added to anything in the hopes of screwing a bit more cash out of a mug punter.

The origins of the word 'brake' as an estate carriage, like many of our more upper class words, stems from French but was Anglicised to give our spelling. All shooting diaries dating back as far as can be found support this.

If anything, the misunderstanding in spelling stems from Anerica where they have historically tended to retain the original spelling of colonial French and English words of the time. So you tend to find Americans spelling it the original French way of Break.

The last genuine shooting brake made before the term was seized by marketeers was this:



But once the likes of Bentley and Aston hijacked the term to poncify their new money products then the original meaning is long since gone and today it is just an offensive term used by ponces because they haven't the real heritage or confidence to use the term 'estate'. biggrin


MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

138 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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k-ink said:
Looking at the rear it is funking hideous.
My thoughts exactly, shame.

blearyeyedboy

6,305 posts

180 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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I know this would be anathema to many GT86 fans but it won't sell without rear doors, diesel or hybrid drive and preferably front drive.

Fortunately, Toyota already make an Auris estate so we're all safe. wink

AW111

9,674 posts

134 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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Daston said:
More pics from Japan.


Maybe next family car!
Nice pics, but that doesn't look like Japan to me!

Given that the article refers to it as an Australian project, the sky and trees say Aus to me.
As does the shed/garage.

W124

1,545 posts

139 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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Finally. A car I like that would fit into my life. If they make it then I'll buy one.

D-Angle

4,467 posts

243 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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I really like that. smile Subaru might lobby for it to go ahead, they have history with sporty rear-drive 'wagons and it could be marketable for them.

k-ink

9,070 posts

180 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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If you want to lug a boot full of gear around you really want the effortless low down torque a V6 will offer. Having to rev a small engine would not be in keeping at all. So for me this concept doesn't work.

rodericb

6,774 posts

127 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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Daston said:
More pics from Japan.
Looks like Australia. Maybe at the proving ground at Anglesea.

V8RX7

26,903 posts

264 months

Saturday 7th May 2016
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DonkeyApple said:
the original meaning is long since gone and today it is just an offensive term used by ponces because they haven't the real heritage or confidence to use the term 'estate'. biggrin
^^^This