RE: PH Carpool: TVR Tuscan 2 LS7
Discussion
Fantastic car Simon, well done on specing this conversion. Awesome result!!
As a complete doughnut I have just marked it 5/10 on the PH O'Meter by mistake,
such was my excitement at hearing the video clip. Apologies for that, should have been a straight 10! So concerned am I that I've sent an email to the Ed requesting this be changed! (...or does that make me sad?) Enjoy driving this marvellous machine!
As a complete doughnut I have just marked it 5/10 on the PH O'Meter by mistake,
such was my excitement at hearing the video clip. Apologies for that, should have been a straight 10! So concerned am I that I've sent an email to the Ed requesting this be changed! (...or does that make me sad?) Enjoy driving this marvellous machine!
i only really read the 2 or 3 pages of comments before thinking... i guess its just me.
its a lovely car mate, i love the colour and have a Tuscan myself so adore the shape. But i just didn't like that noise or the wheels.. or the zorsts.
Sorry. the rasp of the 6 seems to suit that car for me, albeit probably just what im used too.
The ls3 5 or 7 really doesn't sound like the rv8 either. There is a tendancy to just assume that all v8 sound alike and they dont by a mile.
And making their own engine wasn't really the problem was it. For all his critics Melling made a great engine and only the out sourcing of cheap bits and the squabble over intellectual rights of the engine (internal politics) caused the changes that made it go wrong. If it was fundamentally bad then Dom wouldn't be using it still with mods and offering enormous warranties.
For what its worth, id of given that car to Dom, left the 6 in it and got more power and reliability with a fff 4.3 or something and then put the rest under me mattress.
There.. i said it. now i feel like one of those annoying internet armchair experts, but for what its worth iv owned 8 v8 cars, 5 of which were rv8 and im on my 4th tvr.
its a lovely car mate, i love the colour and have a Tuscan myself so adore the shape. But i just didn't like that noise or the wheels.. or the zorsts.
Sorry. the rasp of the 6 seems to suit that car for me, albeit probably just what im used too.
The ls3 5 or 7 really doesn't sound like the rv8 either. There is a tendancy to just assume that all v8 sound alike and they dont by a mile.
And making their own engine wasn't really the problem was it. For all his critics Melling made a great engine and only the out sourcing of cheap bits and the squabble over intellectual rights of the engine (internal politics) caused the changes that made it go wrong. If it was fundamentally bad then Dom wouldn't be using it still with mods and offering enormous warranties.
For what its worth, id of given that car to Dom, left the 6 in it and got more power and reliability with a fff 4.3 or something and then put the rest under me mattress.
There.. i said it. now i feel like one of those annoying internet armchair experts, but for what its worth iv owned 8 v8 cars, 5 of which were rv8 and im on my 4th tvr.
braders said:
bananaface have a look at STR8six face book page they have their and soon to be mine
re born tuscan having final set up with Jason at the wheel,
tell me then you dont like the sound of the LS engine
You're a lucky man. I had a peek at it yesterday. Stunning car - I love the seats re born tuscan having final set up with Jason at the wheel,
tell me then you dont like the sound of the LS engine
Thread resurrection blah blah blah... anyway...
...am I the only one who just doesn't see the point of this? Even a bog-standard Tuscan is an extremely rapid car, and the Speed Six motor can take a lot more than its stock output. Yes, it had a troublesome birth, but Al Melling seems to have got it pretty sorted now thanks to numerous design improvements which were apparently in the original spec but were eliminated for production (and he can take it to 4.5 litres and 516bhp or 4.7 litres and 550bhp) - although he doesn't seem to have a wonderful reputation for customer service. TVR Power and Racing Green have also come up with some pretty well-sorted Speed Sixes and seem to have a better reputation than Melling. A Speed Six of any kind is also infinitely more special than any Chev small-block (says he laughing at the idea of seven litres being "small"), even the dry-sumped revvy LS7. British sports cars, as a rule, should have a straight six, IMO. If you want an LS7, Gardner Douglas will happily put one in a Cobra replica or similar (or their Lola T70 reproduction) for you...
...am I the only one who just doesn't see the point of this? Even a bog-standard Tuscan is an extremely rapid car, and the Speed Six motor can take a lot more than its stock output. Yes, it had a troublesome birth, but Al Melling seems to have got it pretty sorted now thanks to numerous design improvements which were apparently in the original spec but were eliminated for production (and he can take it to 4.5 litres and 516bhp or 4.7 litres and 550bhp) - although he doesn't seem to have a wonderful reputation for customer service. TVR Power and Racing Green have also come up with some pretty well-sorted Speed Sixes and seem to have a better reputation than Melling. A Speed Six of any kind is also infinitely more special than any Chev small-block (says he laughing at the idea of seven litres being "small"), even the dry-sumped revvy LS7. British sports cars, as a rule, should have a straight six, IMO. If you want an LS7, Gardner Douglas will happily put one in a Cobra replica or similar (or their Lola T70 reproduction) for you...
RoverP6B said:
Thread resurrection blah blah blah... anyway...
...am I the only one who just doesn't see the point of this? Even a bog-standard Tuscan is an extremely rapid car, and the Speed Six motor can take a lot more than its stock output. Yes, it had a troublesome birth, but Al Melling seems to have got it pretty sorted now thanks to numerous design improvements which were apparently in the original spec but were eliminated for production (and he can take it to 4.5 litres and 516bhp or 4.7 litres and 550bhp) - although he doesn't seem to have a wonderful reputation for customer service. TVR Power and Racing Green have also come up with some pretty well-sorted Speed Sixes and seem to have a better reputation than Melling. A Speed Six of any kind is also infinitely more special than any Chev small-block (says he laughing at the idea of seven litres being "small"), even the dry-sumped revvy LS7. British sports cars, as a rule, should have a straight six, IMO. If you want an LS7, Gardner Douglas will happily put one in a Cobra replica or similar (or their Lola T70 reproduction) for you...
No, he can't. Do that to the engines, that is. Have a look in the modified Speed Six wiki, and you will see the real world (authenticated) outputs of S6 engines....am I the only one who just doesn't see the point of this? Even a bog-standard Tuscan is an extremely rapid car, and the Speed Six motor can take a lot more than its stock output. Yes, it had a troublesome birth, but Al Melling seems to have got it pretty sorted now thanks to numerous design improvements which were apparently in the original spec but were eliminated for production (and he can take it to 4.5 litres and 516bhp or 4.7 litres and 550bhp) - although he doesn't seem to have a wonderful reputation for customer service. TVR Power and Racing Green have also come up with some pretty well-sorted Speed Sixes and seem to have a better reputation than Melling. A Speed Six of any kind is also infinitely more special than any Chev small-block (says he laughing at the idea of seven litres being "small"), even the dry-sumped revvy LS7. British sports cars, as a rule, should have a straight six, IMO. If you want an LS7, Gardner Douglas will happily put one in a Cobra replica or similar (or their Lola T70 reproduction) for you...
Don1 said:
No, he can't. Do that to the engines, that is. Have a look in the modified Speed Six wiki, and you will see the real world (authenticated) outputs of S6 engines.
OK... Melling seems to have something of a reputation for the wrong reasons, but are you calling him a fantasist/liar?RoverP6B said:
Don1 said:
No, he can't. Do that to the engines, that is. Have a look in the modified Speed Six wiki, and you will see the real world (authenticated) outputs of S6 engines.
OK... Melling seems to have something of a reputation for the wrong reasons, but are you calling him a fantasist/liar?I also seem to remember that he owes a few cars to a few people?
Don1 said:
Yes. Having seen some of his work, I can't say I was particularly impressed with the outputs.... Especially with what the current builders are doing. Go and have a look in the wiki for further evidence.
I also seem to remember that he owes a few cars to a few people?
So - a British John Hennessey?I also seem to remember that he owes a few cars to a few people?
RoverP6B said:
Thread resurrection blah blah blah... anyway...
...am I the only one who just doesn't see the point of this? Even a bog-standard Tuscan is an extremely rapid car, and the Speed Six motor can take a lot more than its stock output. Yes, it had a troublesome birth, but Al Melling seems to have got it pretty sorted now thanks to numerous design improvements which were apparently in the original spec but were eliminated for production (and he can take it to 4.5 litres and 516bhp or 4.7 litres and 550bhp) - although he doesn't seem to have a wonderful reputation for customer service. TVR Power and Racing Green have also come up with some pretty well-sorted Speed Sixes and seem to have a better reputation than Melling. A Speed Six of any kind is also infinitely more special than any Chev small-block (says he laughing at the idea of seven litres being "small"), even the dry-sumped revvy LS7. British sports cars, as a rule, should have a straight six, IMO. If you want an LS7, Gardner Douglas will happily put one in a Cobra replica or similar (or their Lola T70 reproduction) for you...
Wrong on many level's as others have said above, but to add.....am I the only one who just doesn't see the point of this? Even a bog-standard Tuscan is an extremely rapid car, and the Speed Six motor can take a lot more than its stock output. Yes, it had a troublesome birth, but Al Melling seems to have got it pretty sorted now thanks to numerous design improvements which were apparently in the original spec but were eliminated for production (and he can take it to 4.5 litres and 516bhp or 4.7 litres and 550bhp) - although he doesn't seem to have a wonderful reputation for customer service. TVR Power and Racing Green have also come up with some pretty well-sorted Speed Sixes and seem to have a better reputation than Melling. A Speed Six of any kind is also infinitely more special than any Chev small-block (says he laughing at the idea of seven litres being "small"), even the dry-sumped revvy LS7. British sports cars, as a rule, should have a straight six, IMO. If you want an LS7, Gardner Douglas will happily put one in a Cobra replica or similar (or their Lola T70 reproduction) for you...
As I've stated previously in this thread, I've seen, studied and heard this Tuscan close up. Frankly, it's the car TVR should have built, instead of the troublesome poorly built, over-styled twitchy handling, mechanically fragile mess that they came out with originally( and I say that as someone who put his money where his mouth 4 times with brand new TVR's including a Tuscan).
I'd lay my life that the way the car in question, goes, stops, steers and starts is in a different league.
TA14 said:
I was not aware that AM did any 'sorting' of the S6 engines. To what are you referring?
I have seen a Tuscan with a Melling engine in it - black crackle bits and pieces on it. I think it was over-bored, but can't tell you much else about it. It was at the original 'quay for my car' event a few years ago.This was also published some time ago: Linky.
braders said:
Nice read Simon and car looks great,
I hope to have my Tuscan by the end of Jan
Mine only as the LS3 in but really looking forward to its arrival,
be nice to have a meet with all the LS powed cars?
Cheers
Is this meet going to happen and is the invite open to me with my ls1 e46?I hope to have my Tuscan by the end of Jan
Mine only as the LS3 in but really looking forward to its arrival,
be nice to have a meet with all the LS powed cars?
Cheers
Don1 said:
TA14 said:
I was not aware that AM did any 'sorting' of the S6 engines. To what are you referring?
I have seen a Tuscan with a Melling engine in it - black crackle bits and pieces on it. I think it was over-bored, but can't tell you much else about it. It was at the original 'quay for my car' event a few years ago.This was also published some time ago: Linky.
I remember the article that the link reaches; IIRC no engines were built and it appeared to be a wish list - surprisingly similar to another engine spec. but that's another story.
What I meant was AM mentioned the short comings of the S6, especially wrt the AJP6, but AFAIK never suggested any solutions commercially or built any engines. For example in the MW talk AC/TC proposed the solutions.
sjc said:
Wrong on many level's as others have said above, but to add..
As I've stated previously in this thread, I've seen, studied and heard this Tuscan close up. Frankly, it's the car TVR should have built, instead of the troublesome poorly built, over-styled twitchy handling, mechanically fragile mess that they came out with originally( and I say that as someone who put his money where his mouth 4 times with brand new TVR's including a Tuscan).
I'd lay my life that the way the car in question, goes, stops, steers and starts is in a different league.
Yeah, I'm sure TVR didn't make it as good as it could have been, but my point is, there are enough people around (even excluding Melling) who seem to have largely fixed the straight six, which is an infinitely more special engine than any Chev small-block...As I've stated previously in this thread, I've seen, studied and heard this Tuscan close up. Frankly, it's the car TVR should have built, instead of the troublesome poorly built, over-styled twitchy handling, mechanically fragile mess that they came out with originally( and I say that as someone who put his money where his mouth 4 times with brand new TVR's including a Tuscan).
I'd lay my life that the way the car in question, goes, stops, steers and starts is in a different league.
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