RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 revised
Discussion
300bhp/tonne
That Sir, is an answer !
I am looking at buying a beach house in the US.
Reckon i might go for a non SRT and spec the hemi engine. I love the way the V8 is simply listed on the cooking model's options list !
http://www.jeep.com/hostc/bmo/CUJ201303WKJS74B/2TR...
$2195 (or $34 per month)
What a great cheap option, less than say, Sat Nav on a golf.
Can you imagine a European manufacturer putting "Massive V8" on an option list next to "smokers pack" and "executive floor mats".
I also think the standard models look better without the aero package that features on the SRT, which I think could also cause problems driving on sand dunes.
That Sir, is an answer !
I am looking at buying a beach house in the US.
Reckon i might go for a non SRT and spec the hemi engine. I love the way the V8 is simply listed on the cooking model's options list !
http://www.jeep.com/hostc/bmo/CUJ201303WKJS74B/2TR...
$2195 (or $34 per month)
What a great cheap option, less than say, Sat Nav on a golf.
Can you imagine a European manufacturer putting "Massive V8" on an option list next to "smokers pack" and "executive floor mats".
I also think the standard models look better without the aero package that features on the SRT, which I think could also cause problems driving on sand dunes.
635csi said:
300bhp/tonne
That Sir, is an answer !
I am looking at buying a beach house in the US.
Reckon i might go for a non SRT and spec the hemi engine. I love the way the V8 is simply listed on the cooking model's options list !
http://www.jeep.com/hostc/bmo/CUJ201303WKJS74B/2TR...
$2195 (or $34 per month)
What a great cheap option, less than say, Sat Nav on a golf.
Can you imagine a European manufacturer putting "Massive V8" on an option list next to "smokers pack" and "executive floor mats".
I also think the standard models look better without the aero package that features on the SRT, which I think could also cause problems driving on sand dunes.
unfortunately that is the "economy" V8 of only 5.7 litres - not the full fat 6.4 litre SRT engine....That Sir, is an answer !
I am looking at buying a beach house in the US.
Reckon i might go for a non SRT and spec the hemi engine. I love the way the V8 is simply listed on the cooking model's options list !
http://www.jeep.com/hostc/bmo/CUJ201303WKJS74B/2TR...
$2195 (or $34 per month)
What a great cheap option, less than say, Sat Nav on a golf.
Can you imagine a European manufacturer putting "Massive V8" on an option list next to "smokers pack" and "executive floor mats".
I also think the standard models look better without the aero package that features on the SRT, which I think could also cause problems driving on sand dunes.
Captain Cadillac said:
Because a European V8 of similar capacity is a 32v DOHC affair that's bolted into a $100,000 car and its a $25,000 engine if it needs to be replaced while the 5.7 can likely be bought brand new for $4,000 and is bolted into a $39,000 car.
Not necessarily, but I take your point. The 5.0 BMW V8 in the old M5 made ~400hp, I don't know what the replacement cost was when new.Captain Cadillac said:
Heck, you can buy a BRAND NEW, not rebuilt Chevy small block from your local GM dealer (block, heads..no intake but fully assembled and ready to run) that makes 250hp. For....
Just over £1,000
It'll take 200k miles of abuse as well.
I guess you mean the LS1? ISTR that's over 4ltrs isn't it?Just over £1,000
It'll take 200k miles of abuse as well.
Captain Cadillac said:
Oh, and Our fuel isn't watered down, that's an urban myth. We calculate octane ratings by averaging RON and MON, Europeans use the RON number only. Our "Premium" fuel is generally 93 octane. In Europe that's usually 98-100 octane fuel.
Fair enough, I didn't know that.My 3.5 V6 Chysler engine is about to hit 80k miles without missing a beat. In fact I was just thinking yesterday how it seems to be getting quicker with age. Service costs are $80. Maybe $100 for a major service. We expect the engine to last for 100's of thousands of miles trouble free. This is why the US cars hold their value so well. Can the same be said for European cars? No. Every post on the barge thread talks about the "bork" factor. There is no "bork" factor with big engines V8s.
I know from experience that a a 3.7V6 costs less than $4k fitted at a main dealer after one of my employees drowned a 100 mile old Jeep and hydro locked the engine. That makes the engines almost consumables prices! The US market is very different to the UK model and $500 services wouldn't be accepted on US cars.
I know from experience that a a 3.7V6 costs less than $4k fitted at a main dealer after one of my employees drowned a 100 mile old Jeep and hydro locked the engine. That makes the engines almost consumables prices! The US market is very different to the UK model and $500 services wouldn't be accepted on US cars.
h0b0 said:
My 3.5 V6 Chysler engine is about to hit 80k miles without missing a beat. In fact I was just thinking yesterday how it seems to be getting quicker with age. Service costs are $80. Maybe $100 for a major service. We expect the engine to last for 100's of thousands of miles trouble free. This is why the US cars hold their value so well. Can the same be said for European cars? No. Every post on the barge thread talks about the "bork" factor. There is no "bork" factor with big engines V8s.
I know from experience that a a 3.7V6 costs less than $4k fitted at a main dealer after one of my employees drowned a 100 mile old Jeep and hydro locked the engine. That makes the engines almost consumables prices! The US market is very different to the UK model and $500 services wouldn't be accepted on US cars.
My 4 litre V8 is about to cruise past 250K miles with no major failures in its entire history (plugs, leads, filters and belts are all its had).I know from experience that a a 3.7V6 costs less than $4k fitted at a main dealer after one of my employees drowned a 100 mile old Jeep and hydro locked the engine. That makes the engines almost consumables prices! The US market is very different to the UK model and $500 services wouldn't be accepted on US cars.
Admittedly, it's not European, and it's "only" 290bhp, which kind of pisses on my "why can't Americans get high HP out of their big engines" argument...
AdeV said:
My 4 litre V8 is about to cruise past 250K miles with no major failures in its entire history (plugs, leads, filters and belts are all its had).
Admittedly, it's not European, and it's "only" 290bhp, which kind of pisses on my "why can't Americans get high HP out of their big engines" argument...
The LS400's 1UZ-FE V8 engine is nice (I have one at home). But lets not forget it's bigger (in every dimension) and heavier than a Chevy LS or Chrysler Hemi engine.Admittedly, it's not European, and it's "only" 290bhp, which kind of pisses on my "why can't Americans get high HP out of their big engines" argument...
Early examples where also more like 260hp not 290hp and it's no more economical either.
And if you want an example of cost, why not try pricing up how much a set of ported heads and high lift cams would cost for the Lexus engine vs a SBC.
Oh and there is another key point you are missing. You physically larger and heavier engine that uses the same amount of fuel and puts out the same emissions is still 70hp less than a Hemi and makes quite a bit less torque.
At the end of the day, unless you are playing Top Trumps it's total HP/Torque that matters, not how much it makes per litre of displacement. A 360hp vehicle weighing the same as a 290hp vehicle will be quicker.
300bhp/ton said:
Lots of excellent stuff........ and
To close, it's not that American's can't make high specific output engines. But the bigger picture is, how much HP do you really need and if you can attain it cheaper, more reliably and with more low rpm performance in a smaller overall package - why wouldn't you?
It's also the fact that the yanks make very good engines for specific geography of their own country, which many people who haven't spent a lot of time there, fail to understand.To close, it's not that American's can't make high specific output engines. But the bigger picture is, how much HP do you really need and if you can attain it cheaper, more reliably and with more low rpm performance in a smaller overall package - why wouldn't you?
Oh, and a SRT Jeep....... yes please
Have run a V8 grand for a fair few years now. Main reason for purchase was towing, but adding a decent exhaust system means that car easily brings a smile to my face.
Love the idea of an SRT-8 (an older one, new stuff out of my price range) but the central exhaust means no tow bar. Unless a new exhaust is fitted. But the spec sheet shows a pathetic towing capacity. I take it that will be because it has a different load capacity for the higher-speed rated tyres?
Love the idea of an SRT-8 (an older one, new stuff out of my price range) but the central exhaust means no tow bar. Unless a new exhaust is fitted. But the spec sheet shows a pathetic towing capacity. I take it that will be because it has a different load capacity for the higher-speed rated tyres?
Stig said:
If by 'very, very similar' you mean they're both red - then yes.
Other than that - worlds apart.
Sorry, I stand by what I said. Other than that - worlds apart.
To me the 2 are quite similar in design to each other.
I'm not talking about size or engines etc.., but on first look they both share design features and queues; slopping roof, the thin wedge cabin, high bonnet, small headlight area, pronounced front bumper.
Fastra said:
Sorry, I stand by what I said.
To me the 2 are quite similar in design to each other.
I'm not talking about size or engines etc.., but on first look they both share design features and queues; slopping roof, the thin wedge cabin, high bonnet, small headlight area, pronounced front bumper.
I can sort of see where you are coming from, but I think you are wrong. The Jeep doesn't have a sloping roof line nor a thin wedge cabin. I admit the picture is a little misleading, but it's just the angle it's at.To me the 2 are quite similar in design to each other.
I'm not talking about size or engines etc.., but on first look they both share design features and queues; slopping roof, the thin wedge cabin, high bonnet, small headlight area, pronounced front bumper.
As for other similarities, well show me a single modern 4x4 of similar ilk that doesn't have a high bonnet, small headlights and a large bumper.
The only passing resemblance I can see between them is the shape of leading edge of the bonnet. But if the vehicles where in different colours to each other I think this would be rather tentative at best.
In detail, shape, profile and relative dimensions they are no more similar than an S2k is to an MX-5.
300bhp/ton said:
Fastra said:
Sorry, I stand by what I said.
To me the 2 are quite similar in design to each other.
I'm not talking about size or engines etc.., but on first look they both share design features and queues; slopping roof, the thin wedge cabin, high bonnet, small headlight area, pronounced front bumper.
I can sort of see where you are coming from, but I think you are wrong. The Jeep doesn't have a sloping roof line nor a thin wedge cabin. I admit the picture is a little misleading, but it's just the angle it's at.To me the 2 are quite similar in design to each other.
I'm not talking about size or engines etc.., but on first look they both share design features and queues; slopping roof, the thin wedge cabin, high bonnet, small headlight area, pronounced front bumper.
As for other similarities, well show me a single modern 4x4 of similar ilk that doesn't have a high bonnet, small headlights and a large bumper.
The only passing resemblance I can see between them is the shape of leading edge of the bonnet. But if the vehicles where in different colours to each other I think this would be rather tentative at best.
In detail, shape, profile and relative dimensions they are no more similar than an S2k is to an MX-5.
The roof itself may not physically slope in it's own right but combined with the rising waist line below it gives the impression of a sloping roof, equally the high, rising waist line gives the impression of a thin wedge cabin with a small glass area - compared to body area beneath it which pretty much follows the design rules of 'thirds', which in turn echoes the Evoke.
Yes these things are all becoming much of a muchness but I'd say these 2 are particularly close.
Agoogy said:
Purely on it's 'face' it has some Range Rover DNA in there, no bad thisng as it's a brutal look, suiting it really well....and one of the very few cars I can think of that can pull off a squared-off wheel arch...
Pah.....Range Rover DNA.....
SRT8 has proper DNA that goes back to this
300bhp/ton said:
The LS400's 1UZ-FE V8 engine is nice (I have one at home). But lets not forget it's bigger (in every dimension) and heavier than a Chevy LS or Chrysler Hemi engine.
Where are you getting your figures? Best weight comparison I've seen is an LS1 weighs "about" the same as the 1UZ-FE (around 400lbs, about 180kg in French). Dimensionally the 1UZ-FE is marginally smaller than the LS1 (23"H 26"L 26" W vs 27.5"H 27.5"L 30"W). I can't find any data for the 5.7 Hemi, so if you would please cite your source I would be most grateful.300bhp/ton said:
At the end of the day, unless you are playing Top Trumps it's total HP/Torque that matters, not how much it makes per litre of displacement. A 360hp vehicle weighing the same as a 290hp vehicle will be quicker.
Maybe I'm just being a knob here, but I'm not quite sure what your point is? I have never compared the LS400 to the Jeep. I can't find any data on the Hemi engine, so I can't dispute your weight/power figures FOR THE ENGINE, although you appear to be wrong about the engine dimensions (unless I have accidentally not compared like with like). What IS your point, exactly, other than trying to make me look like a knob?635csi said:
300bhp/tonne
That Sir, is an answer !
I am looking at buying a beach house in the US.
Reckon i might go for a non SRT and spec the hemi engine. I love the way the V8 is simply listed on the cooking model's options list !
http://www.jeep.com/hostc/bmo/CUJ201303WKJS74B/2TR...
$2195 (or $34 per month)
What a great cheap option, less than say, Sat Nav on a golf.
Can you imagine a European manufacturer putting "Massive V8" on an option list next to "smokers pack" and "executive floor mats".
I also think the standard models look better without the aero package that features on the SRT, which I think could also cause problems driving on sand dunes.
To add to 300's answer if I may; the "watered down fuel" the poster referred to is another recurring myth on PH. Fuel in the U.S. uses the RON/MON formula. Short answer, the octane levels in the various available grades of fuel are almost exactly the same regardless what the number on the pump states. That Sir, is an answer !
I am looking at buying a beach house in the US.
Reckon i might go for a non SRT and spec the hemi engine. I love the way the V8 is simply listed on the cooking model's options list !
http://www.jeep.com/hostc/bmo/CUJ201303WKJS74B/2TR...
$2195 (or $34 per month)
What a great cheap option, less than say, Sat Nav on a golf.
Can you imagine a European manufacturer putting "Massive V8" on an option list next to "smokers pack" and "executive floor mats".
I also think the standard models look better without the aero package that features on the SRT, which I think could also cause problems driving on sand dunes.
I have spent two days trying to get a post like yours across about the yank tubs and i think i am on a no win fight, they seem to think they are all so wonderfull.
Jimbeaux said:
So, you would prefer something more sensible, like an even bigger, costlier,etc. Range Rover, etc. again?
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