RE: Tell Me I'm Wrong: Aston Martin V8 Zagato
Discussion
toppstuff said:
I would have one in my dream collection over any modern era Aston.
It has also not only held its value, but appreciated.
In fact, its looking like a pretty good investment. The even rarer volante version has gone up in value some 30-40% in the last couple of years.
This is a top car, to be driven by eccentric Brits who don't give a hoot about convention. You would never see a footballer driving one.
It's appreciated? Have you ever heard of inflation?It has also not only held its value, but appreciated.
In fact, its looking like a pretty good investment. The even rarer volante version has gone up in value some 30-40% in the last couple of years.
This is a top car, to be driven by eccentric Brits who don't give a hoot about convention. You would never see a footballer driving one.
I would bet that it has depreciated.
JREwing said:
toppstuff said:
I would have one in my dream collection over any modern era Aston.
It has also not only held its value, but appreciated.
In fact, its looking like a pretty good investment. The even rarer volante version has gone up in value some 30-40% in the last couple of years.
This is a top car, to be driven by eccentric Brits who don't give a hoot about convention. You would never see a footballer driving one.
It's appreciated? Have you ever heard of inflation?It has also not only held its value, but appreciated.
In fact, its looking like a pretty good investment. The even rarer volante version has gone up in value some 30-40% in the last couple of years.
This is a top car, to be driven by eccentric Brits who don't give a hoot about convention. You would never see a footballer driving one.
I would bet that it has depreciated.
There is quite wide price dispersion - another Aston dealer has one for sale at 99k, and Hexagon have one which is certainly around 130/150K I would say. These are very, very rare cars.
I'm looking at a Classic and Sportscar magazine from 2010 which also has a Zagato Volante at 90k. Curiously, the volante's were cheaper and less loved than the coupe's, even though they are even rarer. This situation no longer exists it seems. The market is'nt very liquid and they don't sell fast, but they do appear to sell given time.
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Dr JonboyG said:
legalknievel said:
Personally my favourite was with the gullwing and rocket launcher conversion.
That's quite obviously a Camaro.Surprised no one pointed it out earlier that the model car is a Camaro
Alfanatic said:
A 348, Testarossa, Mondial and F40 look like four different cars. A 550 looked like a different car to a 456 and a 599 looked different to a 612. The Aston range looks like three or four different variations of the same car and has done so for years, even including the Rapide.
911/964/993/996/997/991. Rings a bell? 
Pr1964 said:
Audi make average cars for average money Porsche make the 911 because it's a classic shape.
There would be nothing wrong with AM making a modern DB5 but making DB7 and DB9 shaped cars year on year is just plain wrong lazy and sad, that' why AM ltd don't sell.
I call it as I see it.
So it's ok for Porsche to do the same over and over again, and that gets called a "classic shape", while designing cars on one of the nicest looking shapes in automotive history is "plain wrong lazy"?There would be nothing wrong with AM making a modern DB5 but making DB7 and DB9 shaped cars year on year is just plain wrong lazy and sad, that' why AM ltd don't sell.
I call it as I see it.
I love the Zagato - my favourite Aston after the V8 Coupes and the DB4. A hint of Beta Coupe in there (not the ugliest of cars) and some great eighties detailing.
My favourite issue of CAR was December 1987, 'Setright Decides'. It was such an epic magazine back then. I haven't bought it for many years now.
My favourite issue of CAR was December 1987, 'Setright Decides'. It was such an epic magazine back then. I haven't bought it for many years now.
BorkFactor said:
I have said it before, but I honestly think that all Zagato do is ruin perfectly nice cars when they attempt to "improve" them. This one is no different IMO.
Probably not a very popular opinion!
But a valid opinion nonetheless. Like that weird new Bowie single, the Zagato gets folk talking. I love it, many don't - however, whilst I wouldn't cross the road to look at a FoMoCo DB9 Vantage Daniel Craig Volante or one of its identikit replacements*, I would always give this honey a few moments of 'I wish' gawping time.Probably not a very popular opinion!
- 9000 posts in 29 months internet masturbation freaks who knock one out over an AM keyring may again, take a different view. :-)
I may well be shot down for this, but my favourite fantasy car of all time was the Aston Martin Lagonda Vignale shown at the 1993 Geneva Motor Show. It was designed by Scottish designer Moray Callum, whose brother, Ian, was designing the Aston Martin DB7 shown at the same motor show (and which got the lion's share of attention).
I loved the look of this car when it was originally shown. The swooping curves, the lack of distinct bumpers (reminiscent of a de-bumpered 60s race car like a Jag E-type or Aston DB5) and the amazing interior.
It was to be powered by Aston's (i.e. Ford's) modular V12 of the time and the show car was based on a Lincoln Town Car.
It is a long way from the next four-door that Aston produced, the Rapide, but with Bentley and RR enjoying a resurgence and even Mercedes going down the super-luxury route with the disastrous Maybach, there could have been a future for this car... but not in 1993.
Real shame.
I loved the look of this car when it was originally shown. The swooping curves, the lack of distinct bumpers (reminiscent of a de-bumpered 60s race car like a Jag E-type or Aston DB5) and the amazing interior.
It was to be powered by Aston's (i.e. Ford's) modular V12 of the time and the show car was based on a Lincoln Town Car.
It is a long way from the next four-door that Aston produced, the Rapide, but with Bentley and RR enjoying a resurgence and even Mercedes going down the super-luxury route with the disastrous Maybach, there could have been a future for this car... but not in 1993.
Real shame.
iSore said:
Blimey, I'd forgotten that. Looks like a more modern Riley Pathfinder tbh.
More like a Rover 75.I think I can come clean here and say I've never seen what the big thing is with Zagato. Full stop. Even the Fulvia Zagato was uglier than the car on which it was based. Most of his other work was largely a case of making a nice car look bad.
Pr1964 said:
Yes ok for Porsche
and would also be ok for Aston Martin if they continued making evolving the DB5 but they decided to make a car which looked like a ford focus with a pinched nose and raked back screen and slitty lights. ie not an evolution of any Aston Martin.
The 911 is a evolution Porsche had a go at the Aston Martin route with the 944 but quickly realised that killing off the 911 would be suicide.
I wonder where Aston Martin would be today if they'd used the same formula as Porsche and evolved the DB5 the way Porsche evolved the 911?
It's different because the 911 had been in production for too long before they thought seriously about replacing it. It had literally taken root in the soul of Porsche. Aston replaced the DB5 after three years or so, and the whole DB line was only around for nine or ten years.and would also be ok for Aston Martin if they continued making evolving the DB5 but they decided to make a car which looked like a ford focus with a pinched nose and raked back screen and slitty lights. ie not an evolution of any Aston Martin.
The 911 is a evolution Porsche had a go at the Aston Martin route with the 944 but quickly realised that killing off the 911 would be suicide.
I wonder where Aston Martin would be today if they'd used the same formula as Porsche and evolved the DB5 the way Porsche evolved the 911?
Pr1964 said:
PascalBuyens said:
So it's ok for Porsche to do the same over and over again, and that gets called a "classic shape", while designing cars on one of the nicest looking shapes in automotive history is "plain wrong lazy"?
Yes ok for Porscheand would also be ok for Aston Martin if they continued making evolving the DB5 but they decided to make a car which looked like a ford focus with a pinched nose and raked back screen and slitty lights. ie not an evolution of any Aston Martin.
The 911 is a evolution Porsche had a go at the Aston Martin route with the 944 but quickly realised that killing off the 911 would be suicide.
I wonder where Aston Martin would be today if they'd used the same formula as Porsche and evolved the DB5 the way Porsche evolved the 911?
Porsche have the same problem with the 911, though at least they've been able to limit the damage to one model, not their whole range. The 928 (not 944) that was supposed to replace it still saw the light of day, just as a new model, and the 924 / 944, Boxster, Cayenne and Panamera have all managed to comfortably exist alongside the old icon. And just as Aston has detractors such as yourself (and I agree they all look too similar), Porsche has too. The joke that Porsche designers are the most overpaid - or underworked professionals in the world resurfaces with every new 911 model release, as do the old / new model Spot The Difference photos and so on.
Your opinion might be that the 911 is fine and the Aston range is not, but if you step back from that you'll notice that the 911 suffers the same criticism.
I don't see a problem with them all looking the same. they are clearly different and each offers the same iconic design in a slightly different flavour to cover the market. I look on it as one model with numerous variants which is really what the 911 is - and arguably the Panamera is just visually a longer 911, wherever it's engine may be.
I'd rather stick with a good looker than a new Ferrari minger.
I'd rather stick with a good looker than a new Ferrari minger.
Zagato Alfa best sounding cars in the world imho and this V8 Zagato is only other i could live with looks wise reminds me of 80's suits with complete with shoulder pads
and on very rare occasion it look good on a solitary sole for everyone else it didn't fit here Zagato fitted in very well.
and on very rare occasion it look good on a solitary sole for everyone else it didn't fit here Zagato fitted in very well.
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