RE: WRC 2013: preview
Discussion
Skyedriver said:
I agree up to a point about in car footage as it is used too much BUT, If you watch Julian Reynolds in a Mk 1 Escort on (I think) The Bulldog Rally last year......
Down hill on a stage he knows, Navigator says just before the hairpin at the top " mind if I shut my eyes for the next bit". Halfway down there's manic laughter, followed by "you are mad"
you mean this (from 6m30)- Down hill on a stage he knows, Navigator says just before the hairpin at the top " mind if I shut my eyes for the next bit". Halfway down there's manic laughter, followed by "you are mad"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpC6UmB-VT8
Incredible.
crosseyedlion said:
I love the way the co-driver's tone of voice acts like a barometer of s
t scaredness through the stage. 
Tartan Pixie said:
crosseyedlion said:
I love the way the co-driver's tone of voice acts like a barometer of st scaredness through the stage. 
"You. Are. f
king. Mad."Start No Driver 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Stage
Time
1. 1 S. LOEB 01:09.3 03:01.2 04:46.2 06:24.3 09:15.5 11:22.0 13:57.7 17:12.2 00:18:22.800
2. 8 S. OGIER +0.6 +2.0 +4.1 +0.8 -1.5 +3.0 +2.5 +2.8 00:18:26.700
I thought Ogier was going to blitz Loeb. Or so that is what everyone kept telling me.
Apparently Loeb was only retiring because he couldn't beat Ogier!
Time
1. 1 S. LOEB 01:09.3 03:01.2 04:46.2 06:24.3 09:15.5 11:22.0 13:57.7 17:12.2 00:18:22.800
2. 8 S. OGIER +0.6 +2.0 +4.1 +0.8 -1.5 +3.0 +2.5 +2.8 00:18:26.700
I thought Ogier was going to blitz Loeb. Or so that is what everyone kept telling me.
Apparently Loeb was only retiring because he couldn't beat Ogier!
MCBrowncoat said:
The only thing that would make me watch this, if I could, was if they went back to the spirit of Group B. Not necessarily in terms of power, as I don't think people would be able to discern the difference in outright speed, but in terms of it being homologated specialised cars. It's not a viable business though I guess?
The fact that the all conquering Citroens of the past few years didn't translate their rally success into road models doesn't help
Not trying to be funny or difficult, but I don't quite understand your point.The fact that the all conquering Citroens of the past few years didn't translate their rally success into road models doesn't help
On one hand you say you want Grp B with "homologated specialised cars".
Yet you then say "Citroens of the past few years didn't translate their rally success into road models"
Looking at this logically most/many Grp B cars where never really road going production models. Ok some where built for the road in very low numbers. But usually at amazingly high prices, so weren't actually available, others were only sold to the rally teams and others (like Volvo) built them, then dismantled them and never sold any to the public.
Today's specialist rally cars actually do quite a good impression of Grp B cars tbh. Ok maybe the madness and freedom to chose how you want the car to be (engine size/type, etc) are not the same. But the basic premise that it's a 100% purpose built racing machine with no real world road going counter part, is quite frankly bang on the money.
I'm as much a lover of Grp B as any rally enthusiast can or should be. But lets not ignore the fact that Grp B really did sow the seed for the uninteresting mess the WRC has no become. Before Grp B manufacturers used to take proper road production models, often sports cars or sporting saloons and make them into a rally car, often using parts and ideas that a home enthusiast could mimic if they wanted, or that a privateer entrant could do and be competitive.
For all it's glory Grp B spelled the doom of great rallying.
EDLT said:
Fox- said:
For a start that isn't an Evolution and secondly there is just something more fun about watching a nutcase throw a barge like that around a forest than there is of the same thing in a little hatchback.
I don't think rallying is for you. Hatchbacks have been in WRC for decades.Frimley111R said:
Zzzz. Same problems at BTCC in my eyes. No-one wants to see their mum's hatchback with stickers. They want to see something big, mad, insane and generally crazy. Its so simple to fix. You don't see Aussie V8s turning into Assie 4 pots with a small turbo and fiesta sized do you??
Yawn... Zzzzzz I think WRC might benefit from my idea posted before (albeit for F1) to have a website with recordings uploaded of each car's rally stages.
A youtube website style setup with the races and teams etc all laid out correctly.
You can then log on and watch as much or as little of the action as you wish. Accentuate it with static cameras at certain interesting points and you'll have hours of top viewing as often or not as you like.
The option to stream live or at a slight delay would be fantastic. Camera teams at service stages etc etc.
You can have a highlight program that goes out on TV as per previous years with the results and round up of the weekend.
Having everything online as an interactive site you can pick up as it happens over the weekend or as a round up on the Sunday evening that you pick and choose (with guidance) would suit me to a T.
Follow your favourite drivers every mile of the way.
I think the programs try to be too generic and give a quick round up over half an hour. I'd happily spend a full afternoon picking and choosing what i want to see.
The sport is getting better, the coverage needs a proper overhaul.
A youtube website style setup with the races and teams etc all laid out correctly.
You can then log on and watch as much or as little of the action as you wish. Accentuate it with static cameras at certain interesting points and you'll have hours of top viewing as often or not as you like.
The option to stream live or at a slight delay would be fantastic. Camera teams at service stages etc etc.
You can have a highlight program that goes out on TV as per previous years with the results and round up of the weekend.
Having everything online as an interactive site you can pick up as it happens over the weekend or as a round up on the Sunday evening that you pick and choose (with guidance) would suit me to a T.
Follow your favourite drivers every mile of the way.
I think the programs try to be too generic and give a quick round up over half an hour. I'd happily spend a full afternoon picking and choosing what i want to see.
The sport is getting better, the coverage needs a proper overhaul.
OlberJ said:
I think WRC might benefit from my idea posted before (albeit for F1) to have a website with recordings uploaded of each car's rally stages.
A youtube website style setup with the races and teams etc all laid out correctly.
You can then log on and watch as much or as little of the action as you wish. Accentuate it with static cameras at certain interesting points and you'll have hours of top viewing as often or not as you like.
The option to stream live or at a slight delay would be fantastic. Camera teams at service stages etc etc.
You can have a highlight program that goes out on TV as per previous years with the results and round up of the weekend.
Having everything online as an interactive site you can pick up as it happens over the weekend or as a round up on the Sunday evening that you pick and choose (with guidance) would suit me to a T.
Follow your favourite drivers every mile of the way.
I think the programs try to be too generic and give a quick round up over half an hour. I'd happily spend a full afternoon picking and choosing what i want to see.
The sport is getting better, the coverage needs a proper overhaul.
What I reckon it needs is the kind of treatment the BTCC gets on ITV4 and MotoGP gets on the BBC Red Button.A youtube website style setup with the races and teams etc all laid out correctly.
You can then log on and watch as much or as little of the action as you wish. Accentuate it with static cameras at certain interesting points and you'll have hours of top viewing as often or not as you like.
The option to stream live or at a slight delay would be fantastic. Camera teams at service stages etc etc.
You can have a highlight program that goes out on TV as per previous years with the results and round up of the weekend.
Having everything online as an interactive site you can pick up as it happens over the weekend or as a round up on the Sunday evening that you pick and choose (with guidance) would suit me to a T.
Follow your favourite drivers every mile of the way.
I think the programs try to be too generic and give a quick round up over half an hour. I'd happily spend a full afternoon picking and choosing what i want to see.
The sport is getting better, the coverage needs a proper overhaul.
A whole day of coverage, squirrelled away on an easily-accessible Freeview channel accessible from another, more mainstream channel.
All the support classes filmed, broadcast on a loop, with the 'main event' R5 WRC cars broadcast live.
So, if you're only bothered about watching the bit with all the big names in it, you watch the main programme, but if you want to sample all the action, it's there.
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