RE: Fiesta ST prices & specs revealed
Discussion
Podie said:
StottyZr said:
Ford briefing said:
- Sound Symposer: Amplifies the throaty frequencies enthusiasts crave in performance cars.
this is literally the home of the car enthusiast (in the UK anyway) and nobody on here seems to even like the idea nevermind crave it.doogz said:
Are you suggesting a Fiesta ST is?
Yes. It's a hot hatch. Hot hatches are all about car enthusiasts.HighwayStar said:
Eh Yessss!
You think not so what do you think it is?
Alright then, it's a car for business executives with a car enthusiast side to them. First and foremost though, it's still a comfortable luxury saloon car.You think not so what do you think it is?
StottyZr said:
Ford briefing said:
- Sound Symposer: Amplifies the throaty frequencies enthusiasts crave in performance cars.
this is literally the home of the car enthusiast (in the UK anyway) and nobody on here seems to even like the idea nevermind crave it.BadBanshee said:
M5 isn't really an enthusiasts car though is it?
Of course it is.Everyone else who wants a 5 series as their luxury saloon chooses the equally well specced but cheaper to buy/own/run diesel variants.
The Fiesta ST will probably be bought by more people who don't give two hoots about the performance than the total number of F10 M5s BMW will sell in the UK.
Chrisw666 said:
Of course it is.
Everyone else who wants a 5 series as their luxury saloon chooses the equally well specced but cheaper to buy/own/run diesel variants.
The Fiesta ST will probably be bought by more people who don't give two hoots about the performance than the total number of F10 M5s BMW will sell in the UK.
Why is it different with the Fiesta? What you said will happen with the 5 series is exactly the same as with the Fiesta. Those who want one but don't care about performance will go for a cheaper spec. I can't see what reason somebody with zero interest in performance would have to buy a Fiesta ST.Everyone else who wants a 5 series as their luxury saloon chooses the equally well specced but cheaper to buy/own/run diesel variants.
The Fiesta ST will probably be bought by more people who don't give two hoots about the performance than the total number of F10 M5s BMW will sell in the UK.
If anything more people will buy the M5 who don't care about performance. I can imagine alot of rich people getting the M5 because of its luxury rather than its performance.
BadBanshee said:
Chrisw666 said:
Of course it is.
Everyone else who wants a 5 series as their luxury saloon chooses the equally well specced but cheaper to buy/own/run diesel variants.
The Fiesta ST will probably be bought by more people who don't give two hoots about the performance than the total number of F10 M5s BMW will sell in the UK.
Why is it different with the Fiesta? What you said will happen with the 5 series is exactly the same as with the Fiesta. Those who want one but don't care about performance will go for a cheaper spec. I can't see what reason somebody with zero interest in performance would have to buy a Fiesta ST.Everyone else who wants a 5 series as their luxury saloon chooses the equally well specced but cheaper to buy/own/run diesel variants.
The Fiesta ST will probably be bought by more people who don't give two hoots about the performance than the total number of F10 M5s BMW will sell in the UK.
If anything more people will buy the M5 who don't care about performance. I can imagine alot of rich people getting the M5 because of its luxury rather than its performance.
Chrisw666 said:
Not really, 5 series buyers are more likely to look at CO2 figures than fiesta buyers. Also an ST fiesta will be comparable to ordinary fiestas in terms of running costs, by contrast an M5 will be more expensive than a 535d or 550i to run and buy, but the lesser cars will have all of the toys and luxury you cold shake a stick at.
People who care about CO2 figures, their first port of call is a smaller car or a Prius. I don't think people are going to look at the mpg figures and say "the ST isn't much more expensive to run so might as well get that one".
The ST isn't necessarily the top spec in terms of comfort and luxury either. The Titanium range exists for that reason.
The ST looks very aggressive and more geared towards enthusiasts than the last ST, whereas the M5 looks more similar to its lesser models.
If I pulled up beside this Fiesta ST at the lights, I would immediately assume that the person sat in the car was a driving driver rather than a method-of-transport driver. I would probably rev my engine. If I pulled up beside an M5 I would withhold judgement until I saw the driver. Unless there was something to tell me that they were driving for pleasure I would probably just ignore them.
BadBanshee said:
StottyZr said:
Ford briefing said:
- Sound Symposer: Amplifies the throaty frequencies enthusiasts crave in performance cars.
this is literally the home of the car enthusiast (in the UK anyway) and nobody on here seems to even like the idea nevermind crave it.
te.Not really, negligible difference with it on or off from what I could tell. Once you change the induction and the exhaust system of the car, those noises kind of overule it anyways. Looked untidy under the bonnet, and removed the chance of the symposer diaphragm causing a boost leak in the future.
currybum said:
KingNothing said:
Not really, negligible difference with it on or off from what I could tell. Once you change the induction and the exhaust system of the car, those noises kind of overule it anyways. Looked untidy under the bonnet, and removed the chance of the symposer diaphragm causing a boost leak in the future.
Not sure what you removed but the old ST didn't have a symposer.... What have you actually removed from your engine.. The PCV tube maybe? Zwolf said:
No they don't. There's much in the model literature about it being a new development for the 2012 Focus ST. The old ST/RS and Volvo C30 sound like that due to the inherent harmonics of having a fifth cylinder.
Nope, you're wrong. They both have symposers which feed a pipe which leads to the bulkhead behind the steering wheel. Many people block them off or remove them when they fit a dump valve.Edited by KingNothing on Friday 25th January 22:47
KingNothing said:
Nope, you're wrong.
OK, I'll ask the technicians at work tomorrow, who've worked on them for years and a few of whom own them. I'm only a salesman after all, so have no choice but to believe the extensive product information that our manufacturer gives us when a new model is launched. Should be able to find mention of it in the old ST & RS literature too. Will let you know how I get on...I'm surprised that more wasn't made of it years ago then, and such things only came to light with the launch of the F10 M5 and 991.
Then what is the thing called that is connected to the engine that has a diaphragm in it that connects to a pipe that all it does is serve no purpose other to run sound to the bulkhead, if not a symposer, which is what everyone calls it, as has done since before this ST was even announced?
That: https://www.mann-hummel.com/company/index.html?iKe...
Just curious now, if its not a symposer just want to know what it's called.
That: https://www.mann-hummel.com/company/index.html?iKe...
Just curious now, if its not a symposer just want to know what it's called.
Edited by KingNothing on Saturday 26th January 07:54
Edited by KingNothing on Saturday 26th January 07:58
KingNothing said:
Nope, you're wrong. They both have symposers which feed a pipe which leads to the bulkhead behind the steering wheel. Many people block them off or remove them when they fit a dump valve.
Yeah my friend had an ST225 and that;s one of the things he pointed out to me when he had the bonnet open at a trackday.Edited by KingNothing on Friday 25th January 22:47
My Megane has a similar pipe too.
As I understand it there was a tube designed to allow more of the 5 pot noise through the bulkhead on the mk2 ST. Not sure if symposer is the correct term but it had one. To be honest as it's merely a method of letting more mechanical/engine noise into the cabin it's no big deal. My ST certainly sounded good under throttle. I think the BMW M5 'symposer' gets criticism as it channels sound through the stereo speakers and is supposedly quite artificial.
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