RE: PH Blog: Audi was right

RE: PH Blog: Audi was right

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MonkeySpanker

319 posts

137 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Mermaid said:
The Avant CD5E was rather special.

Th B1 Audi 80 GT & E was a great alternative to the 2002's
When I was a lot youngerer (nearly 30 years ago) the local technical college had an Audi 200 5E (C2) that we could hone our mechanical skills on. Being fuel injected (very rare then) it was like nothing else we'd worked on having been brought up on Escort's, Viva's, Marina's etc. It was probably the only 'luxury' car that I'd ever sat in until my dad bought a Mk 4 Cortina 2.3 Ghia wink

timetex

644 posts

148 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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A debadged C6 RS6 Avant is pretty much the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing. With only a couple of hundred in the UK, your average non-petrolhead has no idea what one is. Even when sat inside one.

...and, when pootling along at under 2.8k RPM, even the driver wouldn't know what it was either, because the V10 engine note is pretty well muffled and quiet in the cabin.

I've driven some fast cars in my time, and my last car was a V8 R8 which was no slouch in the acceleration department, but the C6 RS6 is something else again. In the R8, if you mash your foot to the floor and go through the gears, you can make pretty swift progress but, although Audi claim pretty much identical 0-62 and 0-124 times, in the real-world it is very different indeed.

Once you have the RS6's turbos spooling up (it comes alive and really begins to hustle around 4.5k-4.8k RPM) it will destroy the R8. It isn't the best "traffic light" Grand Prix car, but for eating up the miles, at comfort and speed, it its peerless.

Costly to run? I don't really think so. Touch wood, my RS6 has been my most reliable car to date.

I bought it at a year old in Nov 2011, at which point it had covered mileage in the low 20,000's, but was on reasonably fresh rubber and with FASH and everything up to date.

It has been main dealer serviced whenever required since, but the costs have been largely reasonable (per service), and the only non-service / non-renewable part it has needed whilst I've owned it was a weeping fuel sensor.

It is now up to 56k miles, so has done 30k miles in little more than 13 months without ever really missing a beat. It will now need a new set of discs and pads all round (and even an independent has quoted me ~£1700) and it's had one new set of tyres in my ownership, and will be due another shortly at approx £300 per corner, but I still think it has been great VFM. smile

The R8 tugged my heartstrings more, but the RS6 is such an accomplished daily driver, it is almost the perfect car.

urquattroGus

1,847 posts

190 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Borrowed my Dads MTM Remapped C5 RS6 to go to Le Mans a couple of years ago. Great for all the load lugging.

We also managed 130-140 whilst five up on the circuit just after it had closed smile

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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timetex said:
A debadged C6 RS6 Avant is pretty much the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing. With only a couple of hundred in the UK, your average non-petrolhead has no idea what one is. Even when sat inside one.

...and, when pootling along at under 2.8k RPM, even the driver wouldn't know what it was either, because the V10 engine note is pretty well muffled and quiet in the cabin.

I've driven some fast cars in my time, and my last car was a V8 R8 which was no slouch in the acceleration department, but the C6 RS6 is something else again. In the R8, if you mash your foot to the floor and go through the gears, you can make pretty swift progress but, although Audi claim pretty much identical 0-62 and 0-124 times, in the real-world it is very different indeed.

Once you have the RS6's turbos spooling up (it comes alive and really begins to hustle around 4.5k-4.8k RPM) it will destroy the R8. It isn't the best "traffic light" Grand Prix car, but for eating up the miles, at comfort and speed, it its peerless.

Costly to run? I don't really think so. Touch wood, my RS6 has been my most reliable car to date.

I bought it at a year old in Nov 2011, at which point it had covered mileage in the low 20,000's, but was on reasonably fresh rubber and with FASH and everything up to date.

It has been main dealer serviced whenever required since, but the costs have been largely reasonable (per service), and the only non-service / non-renewable part it has needed whilst I've owned it was a weeping fuel sensor.

It is now up to 56k miles, so has done 30k miles in little more than 13 months without ever really missing a beat. It will now need a new set of discs and pads all round (and even an independent has quoted me ~£1700) and it's had one new set of tyres in my ownership, and will be due another shortly at approx £300 per corner, but I still think it has been great VFM. smile

The R8 tugged my heartstrings more, but the RS6 is such an accomplished daily driver, it is almost the perfect car.
Very interesting. May I ask what mpg you get out of it? A horrible, dull question I know, but these days it is sadly relevant.

smile

timetex

644 posts

148 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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I do a daily commute from Hertfordshire down to the M3, so have a mix of fast A (sometimes), fast motorway (occasionally) and stop-start M25 (regularly). It can take anywhere from 1hr 5 -> 2hr 30+ to get into work! Usually a bit quicker to get home.

I have the speed warning set to 100 leptons, so I am at least reminded if I am doing something I really shouldn't... so my main mileage isn't all "flat out and flying", but I don't hang around either.

I generally average somewhere between 20 and 21mpg over that 70 mile trip, so it isn't ridiculous. Indeed, I think it is better than I used to get in the R8, which was normally "late teens". When not being thrashed, the V10 (even without the very modern cylinder cutting / stop start tech) isn't stressed and not overly thirsty - but when pushing on, you can watch the fuel needle go down.

I fill up about twice a week, 70-75 litres each time.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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timetex said:
I do a daily commute from Hertfordshire down to the M3, so have a mix of fast A (sometimes), fast motorway (occasionally) and stop-start M25 (regularly). It can take anywhere from 1hr 5 -> 2hr 30+ to get into work! Usually a bit quicker to get home.

I have the speed warning set to 100 leptons, so I am at least reminded if I am doing something I really shouldn't... so my main mileage isn't all "flat out and flying", but I don't hang around either.

I generally average somewhere between 20 and 21mpg over that 70 mile trip, so it isn't ridiculous. Indeed, I think it is better than I used to get in the R8, which was normally "late teens". When not being thrashed, the V10 (even without the very modern cylinder cutting / stop start tech) isn't stressed and not overly thirsty - but when pushing on, you can watch the fuel needle go down.

I fill up about twice a week, 70-75 litres each time.
Thanks a lot. That's reasonable given the performance available. scratchchin


Asterix

24,438 posts

228 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Back in the day, my Grandad had an Audi 200. Funniest thing in the world was him moaning that his hearing aid would always play up while he was driving - it was the turbo spooling up hehe

That was an awesome car.

urban_alchemist

604 posts

206 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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My dad had aC5 RS6 Avant; as soon as they announced the C5 RS6 Plus he plonked down an order, and that car's been with us since the day it arrived. He will not hear a bad word said about it, though my mum and I really can't see the appeal.

For her, it's all about the ride: it is APPALLING. The Recaros are great, but any seat but the driver's (and especially in the back) is bone-breaking. However, and I don't know why, despite having lower suspension, it still rides better than the old (non-Plus) RS6.

Me? Well, there are things I do really really like about it. The engine noise is flat-out amazing. Like: one of the all-time great V8 sounds. And the grunt, while now pretty much the norm (torquey through from idle) - it was a revelation at the time. I still think it looks great, and it comes from a time when estates were supposed to carry bloody huge things in the boot, not like those low sloping roofline things they're marketing as quasi-coupes nowadays. It's cavernous in there.

But... it's a disaster to drive in anything other than a straight line. My folks live half the year in Monaco, and the Audi usually serves as their commuting car. I've had to skip traffic by cutting through the mountains in Provence and the car is just a pig. It understeers like crazy, the nose just DOES NOT want to turn in, none of the controls have ANY feel and it always seems as if the car is constantly fighting against you. I always have to really struggle to put any air between me and the ancient Italian-plated punto hugging my rear bumper.

I may be a bit biased: I am, and have always been, a BMW and Porsche man, and the thing I value most in those brands (balance uber-alles) is in short supply here. A good (great?) engine does not a good driver's car make, and other than its crowning achievement, the RS6 (including the Plus) just doesn't add up.

Which really doesn't matter. It's not my car and though my dad's looked at the C6 RS6 V10, the Cayenne Turbo, the AMG E63 amongst others, every time he's walked away. He loves it in an unnatural, unhealthy way. I have a feeling we'll have to bury him in it...

Edited by urban_alchemist on Thursday 24th January 15:25


Edited by urban_alchemist on Thursday 24th January 15:28

urquattro

755 posts

186 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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urban_alchemist said:
My dad had aC5 RS6 Avant; as soon as they announced the C5 RS6 Plus he plonked down an order, and that car's been with us since the day it arrived. He will not hear a bad word said about it, though my mum and I really can't see the appeal.

For her, it's all about the ride: it is APPALLING. The Recaros are great, but any seat but the driver's (and especially in the back) is bone-breaking. However, and I don't know why, despite having lower suspension, it still rides better than the old (non-Plus) RS6.

Me? Well, there are things I do really really like about it. The engine noise is flat-out amazing. Like: one of the all-time great V8 sounds. And the grunt, while now pretty much the norm (torquey through from idle) - it was a revelation at the time. I still think it looks great, and it comes from a time when estates were supposed to carry bloody huge things in the boot, not like those low sloping roofline things they're marketing as quasi-coupes nowadays. It's cavernous in there.

But... it's a disaster to drive in anything other than a straight line. My folks live half the year in Monaco, and the Audi usually serves as their commuting car. I've had to skip traffic by cutting through the mountains in Provence and the car is just a pig. It understeers like crazy, the nose just DOES NOT want to turn in, none of the controls have ANY feel and it always seems as if the car is constantly fighting against you. I always have to really struggle to put any air between me and the ancient Italian-plated punto hugging my rear bumper.

I may be a bit biased: I am, and have always been, a BMW and Porsche man, and the thing I value most in those brands (balance uber-alles) is in short supply here. A good (great?) engine does not a good driver's car make, and other than its crowning achievement, the RS6 (including the Plus) just doesn't add up.

Which really doesn't matter. It's not my car and though my dad's looked at the C6 RS6 V10, the Cayenne Turbo, the AMG E63 amongst others, every time he's walked away. He loves it in an unnatural, unhealthy way. I have a feeling we'll have to bury him in it...

Edited by urban_alchemist on Thursday 24th January 15:25


Edited by urban_alchemist on Thursday 24th January 15:28
Ha ha, good note about old men and their car addition late in life - I suffer the same problem,
wont have a bad word said about the RS2 with its 5 pot stuck out front, turbo lag moans (only from others) etc and now for final fixation throwing pension at restoring a 3.8 M5, thats also going to be a humdinger, share me 50/50 in the metal coffin stakes as no one else will want them i think.

DAVEVO9

3,469 posts

267 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Mermaid said:
Good power, mediocre brakes, barge'ish behavior - but so comfortable.

Also the 1979 Audi 200 Turbo with 170ps - ahead of its time.
I had 2 of those
Both rare manual too
Suffered from ex manifolds cracking and they were £800 back then
Made a great noise though

john_r

8,353 posts

271 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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urban_alchemist said:
My dad had aC5 RS6 Avant; as soon as they announced the C5 RS6 Plus he plonked down an order, and that car's been with us since the day it arrived. He will not hear a bad word said about it, though my mum and I really can't see the appeal.

For her, it's all about the ride: it is APPALLING. The Recaros are great, but any seat but the driver's (and especially in the back) is bone-breaking. However, and I don't know why, despite having lower suspension, it still rides better than the old (non-Plus) RS6.

Me? Well, there are things I do really really like about it. The engine noise is flat-out amazing. Like: one of the all-time great V8 sounds. And the grunt, while now pretty much the norm (torquey through from idle) - it was a revelation at the time. I still think it looks great, and it comes from a time when estates were supposed to carry bloody huge things in the boot, not like those low sloping roofline things they're marketing as quasi-coupes nowadays. It's cavernous in there.

But... it's a disaster to drive in anything other than a straight line. My folks live half the year in Monaco, and the Audi usually serves as their commuting car. I've had to skip traffic by cutting through the mountains in Provence and the car is just a pig. It understeers like crazy, the nose just DOES NOT want to turn in, none of the controls have ANY feel and it always seems as if the car is constantly fighting against you. I always have to really struggle to put any air between me and the ancient Italian-plated punto hugging my rear bumper.

I may be a bit biased: I am, and have always been, a BMW and Porsche man, and the thing I value most in those brands (balance uber-alles) is in short supply here. A good (great?) engine does not a good driver's car make, and other than its crowning achievement, the RS6 (including the Plus) just doesn't add up.

Which really doesn't matter. It's not my car and though my dad's looked at the C6 RS6 V10, the Cayenne Turbo, the AMG E63 amongst others, every time he's walked away. He loves it in an unnatural, unhealthy way. I have a feeling we'll have to bury him in it...
Totally different driving experience to mine then... I can hustle along a country lane at a fair old pace. smile

BlackPrince

1,271 posts

169 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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jamieduff1981 said:
Touche. I'm pleased to say I make a shed load of money - I just choose to waste it on aeroplanes. There is no Audi longing within me, I assure you.
Right mate - you make a "shed load" of money and drive an X TYPE of all things rolleyes
Nought wrong with saving one's money of course but if airplanes are using it all up, you might want to try motorcycles. More fun than planes and a damn sight cheaper to buy and run as well.

I used to have a 2000 2.7T. "Only" had 250hp and about the same figure in torque but was quick enough. Probably nowhere near as fun to drive as an RS6 I realize but it did understeer and did have a somewhat "numb" feel to it. Would love to have a C5 RS6 as I think they look brilliant even if not as sharp to drive perhaps as equiv year E-class and M5.

urban_alchemist

604 posts

206 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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john_r said:
Totally different driving experience to mine then... I can hustle along a country lane at a fair old pace. smile
Well, if you're mostly accustomed to Audis, there's a good chance you don't actually know what balance is biggrin

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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urban_alchemist said:
Well, if you're mostly accustomed to Audis, there's a good chance you don't actually know what balance is biggrin
Condoms are safer, a different experience biggrin

I am john r is great driver.

Spoof

1,854 posts

215 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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BlackPrince said:

Nought wrong with saving one's money of course but if airplanes are using it all up, you might want to try motorcycles. More fun than planes and a damn sight cheaper to buy and run as well.
How is a bike more fun than a plane exactly? I like my bikes, I love my cars, but nothing beats flying.

john_r

8,353 posts

271 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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urban_alchemist said:
john_r said:
Totally different driving experience to mine then... I can hustle along a country lane at a fair old pace. smile
Well, if you're mostly accustomed to Audis, there's a good chance you don't actually know what balance is biggrin
So which BMW and Porsche do you run? Just out of interest... wink

urban_alchemist

604 posts

206 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Presently just a 1M; previously a Boxster, 993 Turbo S, e30, e36, Z3 M Coupe and two e46 M3s (one SMGII and one manual).

Did I pass? rolleyes

ChrisRS6

736 posts

183 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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timetex said:
A debadged C6 RS6 Avant is pretty much the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing. With only a couple of hundred in the UK, your average non-petrolhead has no idea what one is. Even when sat inside one.

...and, when pootling along at under 2.8k RPM, even the driver wouldn't know what it was either, because the V10 engine note is pretty well muffled and quiet in the cabin.

I've driven some fast cars in my time, and my last car was a V8 R8 which was no slouch in the acceleration department, but the C6 RS6 is something else again. In the R8, if you mash your foot to the floor and go through the gears, you can make pretty swift progress but, although Audi claim pretty much identical 0-62 and 0-124 times, in the real-world it is very different indeed.

Once you have the RS6's turbos spooling up (it comes alive and really begins to hustle around 4.5k-4.8k RPM) it will destroy the R8. It isn't the best "traffic light" Grand Prix car, but for eating up the miles, at comfort and speed, it its peerless.

Costly to run? I don't really think so. Touch wood, my RS6 has been my most reliable car to date.

I bought it at a year old in Nov 2011, at which point it had covered mileage in the low 20,000's, but was on reasonably fresh rubber and with FASH and everything up to date.

It has been main dealer serviced whenever required since, but the costs have been largely reasonable (per service), and the only non-service / non-renewable part it has needed whilst I've owned it was a weeping fuel sensor.

It is now up to 56k miles, so has done 30k miles in little more than 13 months without ever really missing a beat. It will now need a new set of discs and pads all round (and even an independent has quoted me ~£1700) and it's had one new set of tyres in my ownership, and will be due another shortly at approx £300 per corner, but I still think it has been great VFM. smile




The R8 tugged my heartstrings more, but the RS6 is such an accomplished daily driver, it is almost the perfect car.
Good post !

Although we are talking about the latest RS6... I too love mine!!

600 bhp from that V10 is unreal....it really is f%%k me fast!!

Plus you'll never see cars with crazy engines like this much more...emissions and the environment will see to that.

Fair play to Audi though they really do tend to stick two fingers up at the green brigade when it comes to their performance models?

Chronic running costs?...check.

Stealthy unless your a petrol head?...check.

Great for the weather in this country?...check.

Able to dispatch almost anything on the road ?...check.

Room for my kids and pets and trips to the tip?...check.

Remap to 730bhp no sweat?...check.

Proven great reliability for what it is so far?..check. ( check audi forums they really are bulletproof)

A Lamborghini derived V10 with twin turbos??...check.

Fast Audis getting a bashing on here normally?...check......fools!!!!!

havoc

30,062 posts

235 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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urban_alchemist said:
john_r said:
Totally different driving experience to mine then... I can hustle along a country lane at a fair old pace. smile
Well, if you're mostly accustomed to Audis, there's a good chance you don't actually know what balance is biggrin
Just because a car doesn't have sublime chassis balance doesn't mean it can't be hustled by a sympathetic driver. You just need to work to the car's strengths more, rather than tailoring it to yours...

(Think of an old-school Audi as like a 911 in reverse! winkevil )

john_r

8,353 posts

271 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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urban_alchemist said:
Presently just a 1M; previously a Boxster, 993 Turbo S, e30, e36, Z3 M Coupe and two e46 M3s (one SMGII and one manual).

Did I pass? rolleyes
I meant you, not your mum... wink