RE: PH Blog: Audi was right
Discussion
john_r said:
urban_alchemist said:
Presently just a 1M; previously a Boxster, 993 Turbo S, e30, e36, Z3 M Coupe and two e46 M3s (one SMGII and one manual).
Did I pass?
I meant you, not your mum... Did I pass?
That's f***ed up.
But back to the thread.
I've owned a C5 for about 5 years, and before that a B6 and a B5. Before that a series of 911s in a row. And this is the point - if you're getting an RS6 or a car of this "template" as Dan puts it - you're willing to make a compromise.
You'll likely be happy to compromise some of the razor sharp handling of a Boxster for the family space, Quattro, etc that you need. So it's not meant to be a car to compete around a track. It's a road car - and let me tell you the C5 with remaps including a delimit is one of the fastest you'll find - in a straight line. Would I be cornering as fast as a Ferrari? No. But just try asking the guy in a sports car to carry a wardrobe during the "race". And to be honest it really can be thrown around, particularly with some inexpensive chassis mods.
Running costs - no more than keeping a B5 running IMHO. My B5 had just as many things go wrong costing money. And a B6? Slow but a solid car.
I get 26mpg on a long run if I sit at legal speeds, and around 18mpg around town. And obviously less if it's driven rather more quickly. I don't think I would get much better from a Q7 TDi and it REALLY would be slow and poor to handle!
I would say do the homework, get an inspection on the car you're viewing, don't be fussed over the plus compared to the std car - with a remap not much difference between them anyway.
But if it does go wrong - bear in mind the thing car outrun a Ferrari - so ask yourself how much would the Ferrari cost to fix? The Audi in my experience would be less costly?
Edited to say: if you buy one at sub £10k I feel it will have issues, and will cost you, but a sorted car is worth a bit more.
Edited by drybeer on Thursday 24th January 21:54
Ug_lee said:
I have to thank threads like this and the people who tirelessly warn people about the RS6 running costs.
It means I can pick up a virtual supercar in an estate body for buttons. With the money saved on that huge chunk of metal I can keep it running well.
Rough man maths over the next 3 years factoring in depreciation, servicing, fuel for 8K miles a year and a bit of luck in the mix will mean I'm not that worse off than a friend who has bought a brand new diesel Countryman. I know which one I'd rather be rocking around in.
It does like a bit of a drink, but at 22mpg it's not much worse than a friends V6 GTV. But the difference in performance is in another league.
The costs people quote for parts and servicing are high because they probably like to tell people how much their car has cost them. It's like a badge of honour who can spend the most and a way of asking top dollar for their car come sale time. It's probably why I keep the Audi forums at a bit of a distance to be honest.
[b]Some of the parts are expensive, but a lot of the parts do not need to be from Audi and costs can be kept under control by doing your research properly. If I couldn't wield a spanner and relied on the dealerships/specialists for everything then yes I'd keep my distance too.[b]
I totally agree with you but the last bit doesn't just apply to RS6'sIt means I can pick up a virtual supercar in an estate body for buttons. With the money saved on that huge chunk of metal I can keep it running well.
Rough man maths over the next 3 years factoring in depreciation, servicing, fuel for 8K miles a year and a bit of luck in the mix will mean I'm not that worse off than a friend who has bought a brand new diesel Countryman. I know which one I'd rather be rocking around in.
It does like a bit of a drink, but at 22mpg it's not much worse than a friends V6 GTV. But the difference in performance is in another league.
The costs people quote for parts and servicing are high because they probably like to tell people how much their car has cost them. It's like a badge of honour who can spend the most and a way of asking top dollar for their car come sale time. It's probably why I keep the Audi forums at a bit of a distance to be honest.
[b]Some of the parts are expensive, but a lot of the parts do not need to be from Audi and costs can be kept under control by doing your research properly. If I couldn't wield a spanner and relied on the dealerships/specialists for everything then yes I'd keep my distance too.[b]
Ug_lee said:
I have to thank threads like this and the people who tirelessly warn people about the RS6 running costs.
It means I can pick up a virtual supercar in an estate body for buttons. With the money saved on that huge chunk of metal I can keep it running well.
Rough man maths over the next 3 years factoring in depreciation, servicing, fuel for 8K miles a year and a bit of luck in the mix will mean I'm not that worse off than a friend who has bought a brand new diesel Countryman. I know which one I'd rather be rocking around in.
It does like a bit of a drink, but at 22mpg it's not much worse than a friends V6 GTV. But the difference in performance is in another league.
The costs people quote for parts and servicing are high because they probably like to tell people how much their car has cost them. It's like a badge of honour who can spend the most and a way of asking top dollar for their car come sale time. It's probably why I keep the Audi forums at a bit of a distance to be honest.
Some of the parts are expensive, but a lot of the parts do not need to be from Audi and costs can be kept under control by doing your research properly. If I couldn't wield a spanner and relied on the dealerships/specialists for everything then yes I'd keep my distance too.
Thank God for that! With all this talk about punishing running costs not making the car worth it I was begining to worry I'd wondered accidently onto the What Car website... It means I can pick up a virtual supercar in an estate body for buttons. With the money saved on that huge chunk of metal I can keep it running well.
Rough man maths over the next 3 years factoring in depreciation, servicing, fuel for 8K miles a year and a bit of luck in the mix will mean I'm not that worse off than a friend who has bought a brand new diesel Countryman. I know which one I'd rather be rocking around in.
It does like a bit of a drink, but at 22mpg it's not much worse than a friends V6 GTV. But the difference in performance is in another league.
The costs people quote for parts and servicing are high because they probably like to tell people how much their car has cost them. It's like a badge of honour who can spend the most and a way of asking top dollar for their car come sale time. It's probably why I keep the Audi forums at a bit of a distance to be honest.
Some of the parts are expensive, but a lot of the parts do not need to be from Audi and costs can be kept under control by doing your research properly. If I couldn't wield a spanner and relied on the dealerships/specialists for everything then yes I'd keep my distance too.
drybeer said:
Seriously... You sold a 993 Turbo S to get a BMW 1'er?
That's f***ed up.
It was a great car but i) I had a lot of problems with back pain due to the offset pedals and ii) it cost an absolute fortune to keep on the road. I also didn't have a garage at the time and was paranoid about leaving it in the street.That's f***ed up.
Edited by drybeer on Thursday 24th January 21:54
I miss it, but am not sorry I sold it.
urban_alchemist said:
It was a great car but i) I had a lot of problems with back pain due to the offset pedals and ii) it cost an absolute fortune to keep on the road. I also didn't have a garage at the time and was paranoid about leaving it in the street.
I miss it, but am not sorry I sold it.
Ah.I miss it, but am not sorry I sold it.
I suppose the pedals are a little offset on the RHD cars. I actually much preferred the two I had which were LHD, primarily because on the continent they were the right way around, and I suppose secondarily perhaps subconsciously due to the pedal arrangements.
drybeer said:
Ah.
I suppose the pedals are a little offset on the RHD cars. I actually much preferred the two I had which were LHD, primarily because on the continent they were the right way around, and I suppose secondarily perhaps subconsciously due to the pedal arrangements.
I've always said that if I ended up living on the continent I'd find myself another one in LHD. I'd probably have kept it if it weren't for the pedals...I suppose the pedals are a little offset on the RHD cars. I actually much preferred the two I had which were LHD, primarily because on the continent they were the right way around, and I suppose secondarily perhaps subconsciously due to the pedal arrangements.
An RS6 Avant would be lovely in dreamland, but back in reality the running costs are still those of a supercar rather than your average 10k motor.Hi
"Man has Heart Attack and dies whilst being pinned down by Martial Arts expert on the hard shoulder of the motorway "
Manslaughter?
Slow down let the idiots in the other car go away and then carry on your journey - feel smug that you've risen above it all if you want - laugh about it or whatever - they will be the ones making future headlines and not you!
Road rage....Totally daft !
MF
"Man has Heart Attack and dies whilst being pinned down by Martial Arts expert on the hard shoulder of the motorway "
Manslaughter?
Slow down let the idiots in the other car go away and then carry on your journey - feel smug that you've risen above it all if you want - laugh about it or whatever - they will be the ones making future headlines and not you!
Road rage....Totally daft !
MF
MrFreight said:
Hi
"Man has Heart Attack and dies whilst being pinned down by Martial Arts expert on the hard shoulder of the motorway "
Manslaughter?
Slow down let the idiots in the other car go away and then carry on your journey - feel smug that you've risen above it all if you want - laugh about it or whatever - they will be the ones making future headlines and not you!
Road rage....Totally daft !
MF
I felt the need to quote this... and then say WHAT?! "Man has Heart Attack and dies whilst being pinned down by Martial Arts expert on the hard shoulder of the motorway "
Manslaughter?
Slow down let the idiots in the other car go away and then carry on your journey - feel smug that you've risen above it all if you want - laugh about it or whatever - they will be the ones making future headlines and not you!
Road rage....Totally daft !
MF
I drive my dads C5 RS6 from time to time still, it's been relegated to the dog and bike carrier.
He has had a C63 Estate as daily for the past 2-3 years, but hasnt been wanted to sell the rs6 because it has more load carrying ability and 4WD for the winder months. Not worth so much now either...
It has Bilsteins fitted in place of the orig DRC, and I would say that although it's a blunt instrument, you can hustle it along pretty well, it grips that's for sure.
However, dad describes the handling as "crap" and comments how crisp the merc is in comparison.
He has had a C63 Estate as daily for the past 2-3 years, but hasnt been wanted to sell the rs6 because it has more load carrying ability and 4WD for the winder months. Not worth so much now either...
It has Bilsteins fitted in place of the orig DRC, and I would say that although it's a blunt instrument, you can hustle it along pretty well, it grips that's for sure.
However, dad describes the handling as "crap" and comments how crisp the merc is in comparison.
C6 was a big dissapointment when dad and I test drove it. Not quicker than the c5 untill 70mph ( granted when compareing to the c5 with mtm remap to 500bhp) and most of all, just too heavy! Feels every bit if its bulk and squirrels around like hell under braking. This was the lighter saloon version we tested too. A bit dissapionted vby the sound too.
Dont doubt they must fly when tuned, but personally prefer the original. The scores of used and ex demo c6's at audi dealers seemed to back this up, probably made worse by the fact they wanted 80k for some of them.
Pleased to see the new one has returned to tt v8, looks promising.
Dont doubt they must fly when tuned, but personally prefer the original. The scores of used and ex demo c6's at audi dealers seemed to back this up, probably made worse by the fact they wanted 80k for some of them.
Pleased to see the new one has returned to tt v8, looks promising.
urquattroGus said:
C6 was a big dissapointment when dad and I test drove it. Not quicker than the c5 untill 70mph ( granted when compareing to the c5 with mtm remap to 500bhp) and most of all, just too heavy! Feels every bit if its bulk and squirrels around like hell under braking. This was the lighter saloon version we tested too. A bit dissapionted vby the sound too.
Dont doubt they must fly when tuned, but personally prefer the original. The scores of used and ex demo c6's at audi dealers seemed to back this up, probably made worse by the fact they wanted 80k for some of them.
Pleased to see the new one has returned to tt v8, looks promising.
Interesting. Do you think there comes a point where a car like the RS6 becomes too large / heavy to be properly sporty (as opposed to simply good in a straight line)?Dont doubt they must fly when tuned, but personally prefer the original. The scores of used and ex demo c6's at audi dealers seemed to back this up, probably made worse by the fact they wanted 80k for some of them.
Pleased to see the new one has returned to tt v8, looks promising.
Clivey said:
Interesting. Do you think there comes a point where a car like the RS6 becomes too large / heavy to be properly sporty (as opposed to simply good in a straight line)?
Yes, but I'm sure there are exceptions. C5 avant 1865KG and C6 2025 KG (saloon or avant?) . These weights are quite optimistic I think, possibly more like dry weight.Look what happened when MRC weighed a suposedly lighter saloon with fuel(2135 KG). http://audisrs.com/viewtopic.php?p=155742
Drivers republic did a test (see the you tube video) where a standard C63 estate easily embarrased a RS6 avant in a straight line.
I think the V10 was more of a tick box, we need a V10 marketing thing, than a pure engineering reason. A cool one nonetheless. Imagine if they had stuck to a TT V8, less weight and over 500 bhp for the C6, personally I think it would have been a better car (yes but not as tuneable I concede...)
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