RE: Time For Tea? McLaren P1 vid
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first of all WOW, just wow. A car like that with a heritage like Mclaren's is something to be in awe of.
however, why are they testing it on a race track? surely they need to get a fleet of pre productions down to Kensington and knightsbridge. Maybe get a testing centre outside harrods testing the cars ability to stop at the side of the road and rev the engine. This will be the cars natural habitat. All that diffuser will do will hoover up fag ends from the brompton road....
however, why are they testing it on a race track? surely they need to get a fleet of pre productions down to Kensington and knightsbridge. Maybe get a testing centre outside harrods testing the cars ability to stop at the side of the road and rev the engine. This will be the cars natural habitat. All that diffuser will do will hoover up fag ends from the brompton road....
Looks good, makes a nice noise and I love the fact it's all done in Woking...
But, it doesn't appeal to me in the same way the Zonda or the Enzo or the old F1. I'm not going to be buying one so i'm not the person Mclaren is targeting of course.
I can't put my finger on the specifics for feeling this way, I think it has something to do with the ethos of Mclaren and the whole hermetically sealed, white lab coats etc. nature. The cold and clinical approach translates into a cold and clinical car for me.
But, it doesn't appeal to me in the same way the Zonda or the Enzo or the old F1. I'm not going to be buying one so i'm not the person Mclaren is targeting of course.
I can't put my finger on the specifics for feeling this way, I think it has something to do with the ethos of Mclaren and the whole hermetically sealed, white lab coats etc. nature. The cold and clinical approach translates into a cold and clinical car for me.
Its an important car for McLaren this one. If they f
k it up like they did the 12C they are not going to come out of this very well. Granted the car looks amazing but their history of recent years isn't that good on the road car stakes is it. How many of the earlier purchasers of 12c wanted to return them due to the car being problematic. If this P1 is problematic I am sure a lot of buyers will wash their hands of McLaren.
k it up like they did the 12C they are not going to come out of this very well. Granted the car looks amazing but their history of recent years isn't that good on the road car stakes is it. How many of the earlier purchasers of 12c wanted to return them due to the car being problematic. If this P1 is problematic I am sure a lot of buyers will wash their hands of McLaren. Edited by Sexual Chocolate on Friday 25th January 11:32
Charlie Michael said:
Looks good, makes a nice noise and I love the fact it's all done in Woking...
But, it doesn't appeal to me in the same way the Zonda or the Enzo or the old F1. I'm not going to be buying one so i'm not the person Mclaren is targeting of course.
I can't put my finger on the specifics for feeling this way, I think it has something to do with the ethos of Mclaren and the whole hermetically sealed, white lab coats etc. nature. The cold and clinical approach translates into a cold and clinical car for me.
I tend to agree. But, it doesn't appeal to me in the same way the Zonda or the Enzo or the old F1. I'm not going to be buying one so i'm not the person Mclaren is targeting of course.
I can't put my finger on the specifics for feeling this way, I think it has something to do with the ethos of Mclaren and the whole hermetically sealed, white lab coats etc. nature. The cold and clinical approach translates into a cold and clinical car for me.
Amazing looking car and I love the ethos of Maclaren but there is a side of me that believes that true character of a great car often comes from the more random creations of a man who thinks nothing of taking a nip from the wife's cooking brandy to keep warm and leaving grease marks on the kitchen door as he returns to fettling.
What I do not relly understand is this. The F1 has more seats, more storage, is smaller, lighter, has bling in the right place, lower CD, more powerful (comparatively) engine, almost as fast as the Veyron. I would also say it is better looking, given what else was around then.
I know the P1 will likely not be produced in the same numbers but even so.
Otherwise I think McLaren are amazing. The MP 4c128cb2m394kkdddm, is a great looking car and the tech is second to none.
I know the P1 will likely not be produced in the same numbers but even so.
Otherwise I think McLaren are amazing. The MP 4c128cb2m394kkdddm, is a great looking car and the tech is second to none.
Streetrod said:
Guvernator said:
Erm, am I missing something? It looks like a slightler longer MP4 to me, I was hoping for something a bit more different\radical.
"Specsavers" mate, make an appointment soon...Same swoopy mouth\frontend - check
Same rear end - check
It will be using the same carbon tub, the same engine (just tuned up a bit) and it's practically the same dimensions (just a bit longer), some of the detailing is a little different but it still looks very similiar and I was hoping for something a bit more extreme. I'm hoping I'm proven wrong but not really seeing anything to justify the extra £500k+ over an MP4-12c at the moment tbh.
More excited by the 918 and F150 at this point in time.
OK, that looks so much better than the concept in the orange paint. Why is that? Even the camouflage looks great (which is basically a ridiculous thing to be saying).
The concept looked overdone, pointless and ugly. The car in these pictures seems to have purpose and aggression and looks great.
The concept looked overdone, pointless and ugly. The car in these pictures seems to have purpose and aggression and looks great.
bertie said:
BelperJim said:
These images show what I'm talking about...
The lights are still prototypes and vary from XP car to car.Where was that pic taken out of interest?
Looks lovely and probably goes like stink but just like the MP4-12c it sounds dull. Part of owning a sports car and especially a super car is the noise and emotions that it stirs up. You can bet your house that the Ferrari will sound amazing just like every other Italian super car and will make you feel alive driving it. Don't get me started on the Zonda R!
It looks like typical modern McLaren - a master piece of engineering but one that has no soul unlike the Ferrari which will have it in bucket loads.
I WANT this car to destroy everything else out there but sadly I fear it will be a let down just like the MP4-12c.
It looks like typical modern McLaren - a master piece of engineering but one that has no soul unlike the Ferrari which will have it in bucket loads.
I WANT this car to destroy everything else out there but sadly I fear it will be a let down just like the MP4-12c.
FartKong said:
Looks lovely and probably goes like stink but just like the MP4-12c it sounds dull. Part of owning a sports car and especially a super car is the noise and emotions that it stirs up. You can bet your house that the Ferrari will sound amazing just like every other Italian super car and will make you feel alive driving it. Don't get me started on the Zonda R!
It looks like typical modern McLaren - a master piece of engineering but one that has no soul unlike the Ferrari which will have it in bucket loads.
I WANT this car to destroy everything else out there but sadly I fear it will be a let down just like the MP4-12c.
Is that the same Ferrari that no one has seen yet or heard yet, if so can I borrow your crystal ball?It looks like typical modern McLaren - a master piece of engineering but one that has no soul unlike the Ferrari which will have it in bucket loads.
I WANT this car to destroy everything else out there but sadly I fear it will be a let down just like the MP4-12c.
And second if the MP4-12C was such a let down why is it currently beating its sales targets?
BelperJim said:
These images show what I'm talking about...
Pause the video at 1:12 and you will two sets of lights. I can only assume tail lights followed by brake lights perhaps? The cars are still in 'XP' stage at the moment so I don't thnk they're too concerned with placements of lights and such. As long as they're on and working I think that's all that counts.Guvernator said:
Err
Same swoopy mouth\frontend - check
Same rear end - check
It will be using the same carbon tub, the same engine (just tuned up a bit) and it's practically the same dimensions (just a bit longer), some of the detailing is a little different but it still looks very similiar and I was hoping for something a bit more extreme. I'm hoping I'm proven wrong but not really seeing anything to justify the extra £500k+ over an MP4-12c at the moment tbh.
More excited by the 918 and F150 at this point in time.
This is the point I argued in an earlier post. It's not bespoke enough for me. Apart from its carbon bodywork it could be argued that it is a highly modified MP4-12C.Same swoopy mouth\frontend - check
Same rear end - check
It will be using the same carbon tub, the same engine (just tuned up a bit) and it's practically the same dimensions (just a bit longer), some of the detailing is a little different but it still looks very similiar and I was hoping for something a bit more extreme. I'm hoping I'm proven wrong but not really seeing anything to justify the extra £500k+ over an MP4-12c at the moment tbh.
More excited by the 918 and F150 at this point in time.
bertie said:
david_b said:
It's actually almost identical in dimensions to the MP4-12C (which probably isn't surprising). That makes it really quite small, it's almost 2cm shorter and 3cm narrower than a Ferrari 458 for example. In fact it's actually 10cm shorter than a new 3-series BMW (and only 10cm wider, which maybe shows how big the BMW is more than anything else...).
The P1 is a fair bit longer than a 12C, mostly at the back, so I'd be suprised if it's shorter than a 458.
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