RE: Drone attacks
Discussion
MiniMan64 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268664/Po...
I swear the Mail must read the PH front page or some...
It would be nice if they'd read the comments too so they can put down some actual facts. I swear the Mail must read the PH front page or some...
The Mail said:
Eric King, head of research at campaign group Privacy International, told the Guardian the increasing use of drones by private and public organisations posed a 'unique' set of problems.
He said the CAA needed to consider more than just health and safety issues when deciding whether to grant a licence to operate drone technology.
'We need new regulation to ensure privacy and other civil liberties are also being taken into account during the decision-making process,' he said.
He said the CAA needed to consider more than just health and safety issues when deciding whether to grant a licence to operate drone technology.
'We need new regulation to ensure privacy and other civil liberties are also being taken into account during the decision-making process,' he said.
Bunch of absolute morons, although saying that recent BBC articles have been just as sensationalist.
They like to ignore the fact that we are heavily regulated.
livinthedream said:
Adz The Rat said:
The AR drone looks great, I think I may have to save for one of those.
Are there any around the £100 mark worth bothering with?
None that will have a half decent camera built in or have enough lift to raise a GoPro.Are there any around the £100 mark worth bothering with?
These toys are all just lovely but apart from range the biggest limiting factor is flight time. IMHO you can't get big or powerful enough batteries in these to give you meaningful amount of time in the air to record decent lengths of film. Typically i see these flying for anything between 5-15mins and they take hours to recharge for another 5-15mins of flight time.
If you could keep them up in the air for a good amount of time i.e. the best part of 30-40mins maybe an hour, then i feel they would be worth the money you have to pay for the top end models. No doubt you'd have a bunch of ready charged batteries ready to use to just swap and fly lasting you all day. Imagine how cool they will be with infra red cameras for night use. Could be interesting.
Ultimately it's still just a toy and as much as i enjoy RC copters and planes i cannot see these being used really seriously in industry until they can fly a few Km's distance from the controller and stay in the air a good while.
With current technology they would have to be huge to carry enough batteries and a big enough transceiver to do this. If there is a copter already out there with this kind of capability please point me in that direction
If you could keep them up in the air for a good amount of time i.e. the best part of 30-40mins maybe an hour, then i feel they would be worth the money you have to pay for the top end models. No doubt you'd have a bunch of ready charged batteries ready to use to just swap and fly lasting you all day. Imagine how cool they will be with infra red cameras for night use. Could be interesting.
Ultimately it's still just a toy and as much as i enjoy RC copters and planes i cannot see these being used really seriously in industry until they can fly a few Km's distance from the controller and stay in the air a good while.
With current technology they would have to be huge to carry enough batteries and a big enough transceiver to do this. If there is a copter already out there with this kind of capability please point me in that direction
ScoobieWRX said:
These toys are all just lovely but apart from range the biggest limiting factor is flight time. IMHO you can't get big or powerful enough batteries in these to give you meaningful amount of time in the air to record decent lengths of film. Typically i see these flying for anything between 5-15mins and they take hours to recharge for another 5-15mins of flight time.
If you could keep them up in the air for a good amount of time i.e. the best part of 30-40mins maybe an hour, then i feel they would be worth the money you have to pay for the top end models. No doubt you'd have a bunch of ready charged batteries ready to use to just swap and fly lasting you all day. Imagine how cool they will be with infra red cameras for night use. Could be interesting.
Ultimately it's still just a toy and as much as i enjoy RC copters and planes i cannot see these being used really seriously in industry until they can fly a few Km's distance from the controller and stay in the air a good while.
With current technology they would have to be huge to carry enough batteries and a big enough transceiver to do this. If there is a copter already out there with this kind of capability please point me in that direction
Pretty much all half decent lithium polymer batteries will easily charge at 2C (around 30 minutes to charge) I'm not sure what you mean about them not being used seriously in industry. They are used all over the world in multiple applications.If you could keep them up in the air for a good amount of time i.e. the best part of 30-40mins maybe an hour, then i feel they would be worth the money you have to pay for the top end models. No doubt you'd have a bunch of ready charged batteries ready to use to just swap and fly lasting you all day. Imagine how cool they will be with infra red cameras for night use. Could be interesting.
Ultimately it's still just a toy and as much as i enjoy RC copters and planes i cannot see these being used really seriously in industry until they can fly a few Km's distance from the controller and stay in the air a good while.
With current technology they would have to be huge to carry enough batteries and a big enough transceiver to do this. If there is a copter already out there with this kind of capability please point me in that direction
There aren't that many applications which require you to be in the air for more than 10-15 minutes. We normally take 4-6 sets on a shoot day and can charge whilst out and about and have never really had any issues.
Even my £35 quad charges in 30 minutes!
All the ones i've seen, even these quad types don't give much flight time and many take 3hrs+ to recharge. I'd rather be up in the air for 40mins+ recording a race, football match, counting sheep on a farm, following game, recording news items/event etc... than having to land every 10-15mins potentially missing that one bit of action or newsworthy event because i had to land to change batteries. That's my point really. I just think they are very limited at the momemnt.
I know the military use them but they don't need them up in the air for very long, lots of short reccies within 100mtrs, elevated views over walls/trees/tall bushes/plantations, quick peak and return etc...
I know the military use them but they don't need them up in the air for very long, lots of short reccies within 100mtrs, elevated views over walls/trees/tall bushes/plantations, quick peak and return etc...
http://youtu.be/OaVyVJxn6BE
could got for a v-22 osprey style RC
Hover like a heli.. but transition to full flight for high speed chases
could got for a v-22 osprey style RC
Hover like a heli.. but transition to full flight for high speed chases
dterry said:
I see that a few people who run these as businesses have posted onthis thread. I have a quick question.....
Are these drones usable inside a building? Could they be used to create a smooth flythrough of a site showing facilities etc both inside and outside the premises?
Yes they can if your remote controlling skills are very good. The is a 360 degree panoramic attachment you can add to lens of most cameras (looks like mini periscope) which records in 360 degrees around and 127 degrees up and down at full 1080p and software flattens it for TV but allows you to pan around freely from a single recording. New ones allow streaming straight to phones too, £80-£200 attach one to a copter instead.Are these drones usable inside a building? Could they be used to create a smooth flythrough of a site showing facilities etc both inside and outside the premises?
They don't take long to charge, my Hubsan X4 flys for ten minutes and charges in ~30 minutes (240mAh 3.7V 15C battery) from a computer USB socket!!
That V22 is very impressive but expensive, $1700 for the ARF scale kit (or $1400 for the profile fuselage kit), then you need x2 motors, x2 speed controllers, x4 servos, x3 heading lock gyros, x2 4S 30C 2200mAh batteries, Radio (with 90 degree swash plate mixing function and rotary know control)... you are looking at north of $2000 for a full setup (or about £1900 with all the bits here)
a) pilot skill (manoeuvring in enclosed spaces can quickly end in a serious oops if you overcorrect)
b) the size of the drone in relation to doors and windows
Visual wouldn't be too much a problem with live linked cameras or simply walking it around in front of you.
That V22 is very impressive but expensive, $1700 for the ARF scale kit (or $1400 for the profile fuselage kit), then you need x2 motors, x2 speed controllers, x4 servos, x3 heading lock gyros, x2 4S 30C 2200mAh batteries, Radio (with 90 degree swash plate mixing function and rotary know control)... you are looking at north of $2000 for a full setup (or about £1900 with all the bits here)
dterry said:
I see that a few people who run these as businesses have posted on this thread. I have a quick question.....
Are these drones usable inside a building? Could they be used to create a smooth flythrough of a site showing facilities etc both inside and outside the premises?
Though I am not a business owner I'd say yes, it comes down to the following:Are these drones usable inside a building? Could they be used to create a smooth flythrough of a site showing facilities etc both inside and outside the premises?
a) pilot skill (manoeuvring in enclosed spaces can quickly end in a serious oops if you overcorrect)
b) the size of the drone in relation to doors and windows
Visual wouldn't be too much a problem with live linked cameras or simply walking it around in front of you.
Search for quadcopter FPV on youtube - plenty of footage of how we do this. The GoPro can output video as it records - my videolink is 5.8Ghz, whilst control is 2.4Ghz, and telemetry 433Mhz. Flight times are as big as your wallets - bigger batteries parellel'd up work wonders (which then means bigger 'copters etc etc.)
I use "fatshark" goggles to preview the shots, and all downlinked video and data is recorded on a netbook that runs a ground station appplication. When taking stills, the DSLR is gimbal-stabilized via the flight controller, and can still be pan-and-tilted to line the shots up. You can switch the quad out to true UAV mode if needed, and get it to follow waypoints as clicked on a top-down view from google maps, or immediately return-to-launch if in trouble, or even circle its current position merrily snapping away with the camera.
There are some big hoops to jump through if you want to be paid for your work seriously - the BNUC-S makes you legal http://www.eurousc.com/luass/pilots.html
Oddly most of this fantastic technology comes from the Nintendo Wii's cheap 3 axis accelerometers.
I use "fatshark" goggles to preview the shots, and all downlinked video and data is recorded on a netbook that runs a ground station appplication. When taking stills, the DSLR is gimbal-stabilized via the flight controller, and can still be pan-and-tilted to line the shots up. You can switch the quad out to true UAV mode if needed, and get it to follow waypoints as clicked on a top-down view from google maps, or immediately return-to-launch if in trouble, or even circle its current position merrily snapping away with the camera.
There are some big hoops to jump through if you want to be paid for your work seriously - the BNUC-S makes you legal http://www.eurousc.com/luass/pilots.html
Oddly most of this fantastic technology comes from the Nintendo Wii's cheap 3 axis accelerometers.
RX7 said:
Awesome 
Anyone know what the music is in the wrc footage?
Also to ask from a novice, but frequent gopro user, how would the pilot see the footage to know which way the camera was facing?
As the poster above mentioned - we use FPV to fly most of the time - ie you take the image out of the Go Pro and transmit it to a set of video goggles so you get a live view from the Go Pro, and fly as if you were 'on board' the drone.Anyone know what the music is in the wrc footage?
Also to ask from a novice, but frequent gopro user, how would the pilot see the footage to know which way the camera was facing?
In the R32 sliding video in this story we didn't fly fpv though - it just takes a lot of practice and to be able to fly competently.
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