RE: Peugeot 208 GTI pricing
Discussion
Krikkit said:
What's being French got to do with it? Don't understand this mentality at all.
Look at the history of small French hot hatches and you may understand a little better. Badly built, reasonably priced and a lot of fun. If Peugeot want to play at the top end of the hot hatch league they are going to have to massively improve the build quality and reliability. Understand now?
Mr2Mike said:
Krikkit said:
What's being French got to do with it? Don't understand this mentality at all.
Look at the history of small French hot hatches and you may understand a little better. Badly built, reasonably priced and a lot of fun. If Peugeot want to play at the top end of the hot hatch league they are going to have to massively improve the build quality and reliability. Understand now?A quick run-through warranty direct's site (the only wide-based reliability stats I know of) at 207 vs Fiesta vs Mini vs Clio puts it as:
Fiesta 6/194.27
207 63/313.66
Clio 102/236
Mini Cooper 106/£400.31
Assuming there isn't anything disastrously bad on the 208 I can't see it being worse, can you?
Whoever moans on about the 'build quality' of modern Peugeots has probably not sat in an RCZ, as they seem very plush and solid cars!
I want this car to be a success, but the pricing strategy seems a bit off. It's certainly better looking than the Clio and IMO the Fiesta too (which looks like a trout).
I want this car to be a success, but the pricing strategy seems a bit off. It's certainly better looking than the Clio and IMO the Fiesta too (which looks like a trout).
IanMorewood said:
Its going to be disapointing and expensive one would expect, Renault have firmly taken the crown for small fast and French.
That said, bar the Clio Williams and the 5 GT Turbo, none of Renault's small hot hatch offerings have been as good as Peugeot's small hot hatches. Luckily for Renault, Peugeot seemed to suffer some sort of massive logic failure after the 106 GTi/306 GTi and were no longer a competitor in the field.Baryonyx said:
IanMorewood said:
Its going to be disapointing and expensive one would expect, Renault have firmly taken the crown for small fast and French.
That said, bar the Clio Williams and the 5 GT Turbo, none of Renault's small hot hatch offerings have been as good as Peugeot's small hot hatches. Luckily for Renault, Peugeot seemed to suffer some sort of massive logic failure after the 106 GTi/306 GTi and were no longer a competitor in the field.Krikkit said:
ho said they're not better built now than in the 80s/90s period? Sampled a 208 last time I was at the dealer buying parts and it seemed very well screwed together indeed. Not quite up to Audi levels, but not far enough away to matter to me.
A quick run-through warranty direct's site (the only wide-based reliability stats I know of) at 207 vs Fiesta vs Mini vs Clio puts it as:
Fiesta 6/194.27
207 63/313.66
Clio 102/236
Mini Cooper 106/£400.31
Assuming there isn't anything disastrously bad on the 208 I can't see it being worse, can you?
They are better than in the 80's but still a long way behind their rivals. That is the point. A quick run-through warranty direct's site (the only wide-based reliability stats I know of) at 207 vs Fiesta vs Mini vs Clio puts it as:
Fiesta 6/194.27
207 63/313.66
Clio 102/236
Mini Cooper 106/£400.31
Assuming there isn't anything disastrously bad on the 208 I can't see it being worse, can you?
Krikkit said:
ho said they're not better built now than in the 80s/90s period? Sampled a 208 last time I was at the dealer buying parts and it seemed very well screwed together indeed. Not quite up to Audi levels, but not far enough away to matter to me.
A quick run-through warranty direct's site (the only wide-based reliability stats I know of) at 207 vs Fiesta vs Mini vs Clio puts it as:
Fiesta 6/194.27
207 63/313.66
Clio 102/236
Mini Cooper 106/£400.31
Assuming there isn't anything disastrously bad on the 208 I can't see it being worse, can you?
They are better than in the 80's but still a long way behind their rivals. That is the point. A quick run-through warranty direct's site (the only wide-based reliability stats I know of) at 207 vs Fiesta vs Mini vs Clio puts it as:
Fiesta 6/194.27
207 63/313.66
Clio 102/236
Mini Cooper 106/£400.31
Assuming there isn't anything disastrously bad on the 208 I can't see it being worse, can you?
I don't know why French cars get such a bad reputation for reliability. The most reliable cars iv'e ever had have been French. The worse was VAG group.
Mk1 laguna RXE. 200,000miles(had from 105,000)nothing went wrong apart from a wheel bearing whilst I had it then the diff went and I scraped it because it was worth 3p.
Pug 306 HDI(remapped)190,000miles(had from 85k) Only thing that went wrong on that was the EGR getting blocked causing limp mode. Still had original turbo and only changed the clutch for the first time at 160k. Would have had it for longer if it wasn't smooshed by an elderly driver.
Mk2 Seat Leon 140PD, new turbo and DMF at 45k, new radiator at 33k due to welds splitting,interior light control unit failing (£300-£400), the list goes on. It's probably put me off VAG for good.
Though a point to add my ex's 206 was a bag of bolts. The last straw was the speedo packing up and the cost of £300+ to reprogramme it but again on the other hand my dad has a 406 110HDI with 210,000 miles and still going strong. I think French cars seem to always be at the extremes, trudge on forever or implode after a couple of years
Mk1 laguna RXE. 200,000miles(had from 105,000)nothing went wrong apart from a wheel bearing whilst I had it then the diff went and I scraped it because it was worth 3p.
Pug 306 HDI(remapped)190,000miles(had from 85k) Only thing that went wrong on that was the EGR getting blocked causing limp mode. Still had original turbo and only changed the clutch for the first time at 160k. Would have had it for longer if it wasn't smooshed by an elderly driver.
Mk2 Seat Leon 140PD, new turbo and DMF at 45k, new radiator at 33k due to welds splitting,interior light control unit failing (£300-£400), the list goes on. It's probably put me off VAG for good.
Though a point to add my ex's 206 was a bag of bolts. The last straw was the speedo packing up and the cost of £300+ to reprogramme it but again on the other hand my dad has a 406 110HDI with 210,000 miles and still going strong. I think French cars seem to always be at the extremes, trudge on forever or implode after a couple of years
I've got a 208 1.2 and have more recently aqcuired a 205 GTi 1.6. The 208 is a lot closer to the 205 than either of ther other incarnations. We will never get back to a 205 due to NCAP and emissions regs. I expect big things of the 208 GTi and look forward to getting one.
The only thing that I think is possibly a fair point is that for a GTi it possibly doesn't look wild enough but all in all I think the 208 is a good looking car and I for one welcome the lack of 18 inch wheels.
The only thing that I think is possibly a fair point is that for a GTi it possibly doesn't look wild enough but all in all I think the 208 is a good looking car and I for one welcome the lack of 18 inch wheels.
The 306 GTi6 weighed more, had less power, and cost about the same, over a decade ago.
I think this has a lot of potential.
Certainly something to buy 5yrs down the line and look after, maybe some subtle tweaks to get the best out of it.
Peugeot could easily bugger it up, so fingers crossed they don't.
They've already screwed the front of the RCZ up with a facelift, so if they also mess with the 208 too much they are gonna have a whole range of fugly cars.
How come Citroen manage to make not ugly cars?
Hmm
Dave
I think this has a lot of potential.
Certainly something to buy 5yrs down the line and look after, maybe some subtle tweaks to get the best out of it.
Peugeot could easily bugger it up, so fingers crossed they don't.
They've already screwed the front of the RCZ up with a facelift, so if they also mess with the 208 too much they are gonna have a whole range of fugly cars.
How come Citroen manage to make not ugly cars?
Hmm
Dave
Even if it is better than the Fiesta. Ford will then release a warrantable performance pack, which i doubt will be much more than 2k. This will probably make it as good if not better than the Peugeot. So, either way you look at it, Peugeot are screwed.
I also think the Fiesta looks better, but that a more personal thing.
Shame, as i like the look of the Peugeot and i want them to be brilliant.
I haven't included the Clio, as IMO its minging and doesn't come with a manual option.
I also think the Fiesta looks better, but that a more personal thing.
Shame, as i like the look of the Peugeot and i want them to be brilliant.
I haven't included the Clio, as IMO its minging and doesn't come with a manual option.
dukebox9reg said:
I don't know why French cars get such a bad reputation for reliability. The most reliable cars iv'e ever had have been French. The worse was VAG group.
Mk1 laguna RXE. 200,000miles(had from 105,000)nothing went wrong apart from a wheel bearing whilst I had it then the diff went and I scraped it because it was worth 3p.
There's quite a lot of evidence to suggest you were fortunate in that particular case. The Mk1 Laguna must have one of the worst reliability records for a French car in the last 20 years, and was a nightmare for Renault (and many owners). It even has the dubious honor of it's poor reliability being mentioned in Wikipedia Mk1 laguna RXE. 200,000miles(had from 105,000)nothing went wrong apart from a wheel bearing whilst I had it then the diff went and I scraped it because it was worth 3p.
Krikkit said:
ho said they're not better built now than in the 80s/90s period? Sampled a 208 last time I was at the dealer buying parts and it seemed very well screwed together indeed. Not quite up to Audi levels, but not far enough away to matter to me.
A quick run-through warranty direct's site (the only wide-based reliability stats I know of) at 207 vs Fiesta vs Mini vs Clio puts it as:
Fiesta 6/194.27
207 63/313.66
Clio 102/236
Mini Cooper 106/£400.31
Assuming there isn't anything disastrously bad on the 208 I can't see it being worse, can you?
Personally wouldn't want to spend £20k on a small French hatch because depreciation will be horrific. A quick run-through warranty direct's site (the only wide-based reliability stats I know of) at 207 vs Fiesta vs Mini vs Clio puts it as:
Fiesta 6/194.27
207 63/313.66
Clio 102/236
Mini Cooper 106/£400.31
Assuming there isn't anything disastrously bad on the 208 I can't see it being worse, can you?
Spend it on a small German hatch (presuming you can find one at that money) and I'd put good money on it holding its value a lot better.
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