RE: Peugeot 208 GTI pricing
Discussion
Darren61 said:
Stop it. Just stop it. What are you doing on Piston Heads?
Driving a Lotus and not a £20k hatchback with a price that will drop like a brick... I wasn't suggesting you spend it on a German hatch, BTW, merely answering another point.
Have had many French hatchbacks (at least 7 off the top of my head), and £20k for a small Peugeot is madness, whether you claim to be a petrolhead or not.
If it turns out to be brilliant, I'll revise my opinion.
Edited by pthelazyjourno on Tuesday 29th January 22:08
Antj said:
I think I speak on behalf of all ph ers over 30 and say I am bored of Peugeot still harking back to one great car , the 205
They said the 206 gti was the new 205 gti, it was not. They jazzed the 206 gti 180 up with a flash advert and told us is it was back, it was not. They then cried gti again with the 207 , it's back they cried, it was so not, in fact not long after this Peugeot themselves agreed and said no more gti badges
Then after all this they bring us the 208gti and expect excitement from us, sorry Peugeot you have cried wolf once too many times now and we don't believe you
I think all PHers over 30 would probably prefer to speak for themselves, you've also missed out the S1 106 Rallye, the S2 106 GTi, 306 GTi and Rallye, 309 GTi - all in with a shout of being the best hot hatch ever (depending on whether you prefer quick responses and a compliant ride to today's 200bhp+, heavy weights and a degree of safety...)They said the 206 gti was the new 205 gti, it was not. They jazzed the 206 gti 180 up with a flash advert and told us is it was back, it was not. They then cried gti again with the 207 , it's back they cried, it was so not, in fact not long after this Peugeot themselves agreed and said no more gti badges
Then after all this they bring us the 208gti and expect excitement from us, sorry Peugeot you have cried wolf once too many times now and we don't believe you
Peugeot have made quite a few brilliant hatches, but you're right that the 206 did mark the beginning of its demise.
I've had 3 French hatches, 205 GTi, Clio 16v and a 306 GTI-6. All great but the 2 pugs handle better than the 3 TT's I've had since, including my TTS, no surprise really. Yeah they were cheap, lacked quality but all were reliable and they went down a challenging road the right way.
I've always had a soft spot for Peugeot and it grieved me when they anounced they were abandoning the GTi market and going for growth and mainstream. Later returning, teasing with tragic and embarrassing so called reborn GTi's.
I hope this 208 effort is finally the real deal but no one can blame the doubters after so many false promises.
If it gets runner up in a group test then that'll be fine start.
If I was still in the hot hatch market and the 208 could cut it, I'd take over the Fiesta any day. I don't care it's a few K cheaper than the 208 but who really makes decisions based purely on the numbers. If that was the case Megane Sports and 35k+ Golfs would never get sold when cheaper alternative's are available.
I've always had a soft spot for Peugeot and it grieved me when they anounced they were abandoning the GTi market and going for growth and mainstream. Later returning, teasing with tragic and embarrassing so called reborn GTi's.
I hope this 208 effort is finally the real deal but no one can blame the doubters after so many false promises.
If it gets runner up in a group test then that'll be fine start.
If I was still in the hot hatch market and the 208 could cut it, I'd take over the Fiesta any day. I don't care it's a few K cheaper than the 208 but who really makes decisions based purely on the numbers. If that was the case Megane Sports and 35k+ Golfs would never get sold when cheaper alternative's are available.
I do wonder if people complaining about the price have forgotten the notion of inflation. Are they the same people who complain about the cost of everything nowadays, perchance?
I'd be willing to bet that when we take into account the higher rate of VAT and inflation this would be no more (at least appreciably) expensive than this type of car was in the past.
I'd be willing to bet that when we take into account the higher rate of VAT and inflation this would be no more (at least appreciably) expensive than this type of car was in the past.
JREwing said:
I do wonder if people complaining about the price have forgotten the notion of inflation. Are they the same people who complain about the cost of everything nowadays, perchance?
I'd be willing to bet that when we take into account the higher rate of VAT and inflation this would be no more (at least appreciably) expensive than this type of car was in the past.
Nope, we are just comparing the following:I'd be willing to bet that when we take into account the higher rate of VAT and inflation this would be no more (at least appreciably) expensive than this type of car was in the past.
1) A (very*) small 200bhp hot hatch from Peugeot at £19k
2) A slightly larger 180bhp hot hatch from Ford at £17k
3) A significantly larger 250bhp hot hatch from Ford at £21.5k
- Having seen a 208 on the road I can't believe how small they are, they seem to have dropped down to a 10X sort of size, but the price doesn't appear to have done the same.
Megaflow said:
macdeb said:
Oh, how I wish I still had my 'Turbo Technics' 1.9 205 gti.
<Wanders off to google>
Megaflow said:
Nope, we are just comparing the following:
1) A (very*) small 200bhp hot hatch from Peugeot at £19k
2) A slightly larger 180bhp hot hatch from Ford at £17k
3) A significantly larger 250bhp hot hatch from Ford at £21.5k
Funny that, no end of people on here complaining cars are getting too big and heavier. The 208 is dimensionally shorter than the 207, mainly losing the front overhang whilst being roomier inside and weighing 100k or so less than said 207.1) A (very*) small 200bhp hot hatch from Peugeot at £19k
2) A slightly larger 180bhp hot hatch from Ford at £17k
3) A significantly larger 250bhp hot hatch from Ford at £21.5k
- Having seen a 208 on the road I can't believe how small they are, they seem to have dropped down to a 10X sort of size, but the price doesn't appear to have done the same.
On point with the 19k though... Standard equipment levels? Will they go out the door at the price though? No one pays list price. If it does what it says on the tin it'll certainly be easier to sell.
I refuse to see the Focus/Megane/Golf/Astra as a hot hatch. They are now a class above.
Put a Focus next to a 205 GTi or a Clio sport... In my eyes no way a mid sized family runaround is a hot hatch
tbc said:
Does it look good?
Yes
Would I buy one?
No
Will it break down?
Almost certainly yes, almost every week something will give way
Will it depreciate much?
within 5 years it'll be she'd money
Why should it break down? We have a fleet of 208s at work. Some have done 10k in 6 months and not a single one has had a problem.Yes
Would I buy one?
No
Will it break down?
Almost certainly yes, almost every week something will give way
Will it depreciate much?
within 5 years it'll be she'd money
HighwayStar said:
Funny that, no end of people on here complaining cars are getting too big and heavier. The 208 is dimensionally shorter than the 207, mainly losing the front overhang whilst being roomier inside and weighing 100k or so less than said 207.
On point with the 19k though... Standard equipment levels? Will they go out the door at the price though? No one pays list price. If it does what it says on the tin it'll certainly be easier to sell.
I refuse to see the Focus/Megane/Golf/Astra as a hot hatch. They are now a class above.
Put a Focus next to a 205 GTi or a Clio sport... In my eyes no way a mid sized family runaround is a hot hatch
The cars that were hot hatches in the 90's have evolved with each new release into much larger cars that I would no longer call hot hatches. At present i'd take the smaller model for fun - fiesta over focus, polo over golf, a1 over a3, and even the new clio, 5 door only, maybe the twingo!On point with the 19k though... Standard equipment levels? Will they go out the door at the price though? No one pays list price. If it does what it says on the tin it'll certainly be easier to sell.
I refuse to see the Focus/Megane/Golf/Astra as a hot hatch. They are now a class above.
Put a Focus next to a 205 GTi or a Clio sport... In my eyes no way a mid sized family runaround is a hot hatch
Over the last 5-10 years, each iteration of the pug hatch has been slated as middle to the bottom of the pile by enthusiasts, mags and car reviewers - that's for pace and dynamics. Throw in poor residual values, who would save £20k of their own money today and go and buy one? Not me. Move it to £15 and I'd have a look, if it was raining outside and I had nothing to do. Could you imagine showing a picture of that to the wife and saying, you know what, sod the weekend car we were going to buy, I've decided to plumb all my funds into a new pug! Passion killer.
Another PH opportunity to complain about Peugeots the posters have never even sat in or driven, much less owned.
My DS3 is far better screwed together, nicer to driver and better to be in than the wife's company Golf, we both hate the thing. But I know which one costs (way) more!
It's bad enough to generalise, but to do it based on decade old experience of a tatty old 306 that your mate had is laughable.
All the more decent better value used buys for me I suppose :-)
And on the topic of the GTi - given the level of kit you get and the general quality of the thing it's not badly priced at all - £20k doesn't get you a lot from the competition as soon as you stop fixating on entry level prices and BHP. It's been on my wish list since I first saw it at the Paris motor show... waiting in anticipation of a test drive!
My DS3 is far better screwed together, nicer to driver and better to be in than the wife's company Golf, we both hate the thing. But I know which one costs (way) more!
It's bad enough to generalise, but to do it based on decade old experience of a tatty old 306 that your mate had is laughable.
All the more decent better value used buys for me I suppose :-)
And on the topic of the GTi - given the level of kit you get and the general quality of the thing it's not badly priced at all - £20k doesn't get you a lot from the competition as soon as you stop fixating on entry level prices and BHP. It's been on my wish list since I first saw it at the Paris motor show... waiting in anticipation of a test drive!
itiejim said:
Hmmn. Rally ace praises gearbox and braking stability. They're clearly not paying him enough.
You just know it's going to be another dull, also-ran Peugeot.
Somehow agreed. How come they completely lost their flair? Older petrolheads like me remember how terrific the old 205 GTi was back in the 80s. Today's Peugeots just don't appeal somehow. Yet VW and Ford keep hitting home runs... (relatively speaking)You just know it's going to be another dull, also-ran Peugeot.
pthelazyjourno said:
Darren61 said:
Stop it. Just stop it. What are you doing on Piston Heads?
Driving a Lotus and not a £20k hatchback with a price that will drop like a brick... I wasn't suggesting you spend it on a German hatch, BTW, merely answering another point.
Have had many French hatchbacks (at least 7 off the top of my head), and £20k for a small Peugeot is madness, whether you claim to be a petrolhead or not.
If it turns out to be brilliant, I'll revise my opinion.
Edited by pthelazyjourno on Tuesday 29th January 22:08
From my perspective every car is expensive and not worth the money, but thankfully they depreciate and so I'm judging this car as being good because in 5 years when it's £7,000 it might be a bargain of a car.
That said, even at 5yrs old it'll still depreciate like a brick for another 5 yrs and £5k in value
Maybe when it's 8yrs old then!
Dave
PSA/peugeot are currently working with some german companies specialising in car design as they are desperate to improve on their products poor depreciation/resale value.
It affects their insurance business severely.
I'm not sure that they have managed it with the new gti - the interior is pretty cheap imo.
The citroens are better but still generally poor.
Probably got a long drive ahead of them.
It affects their insurance business severely.
I'm not sure that they have managed it with the new gti - the interior is pretty cheap imo.
The citroens are better but still generally poor.
Probably got a long drive ahead of them.
heretheygo said:
PSA/peugeot are currently working with some german companies specialising in car design as they are desperate to improve on their products poor depreciation/resale value.
It affects their insurance business severely.
I'm not sure that they have managed it with the new gti - the interior is pretty cheap imo.
The citroens are better but still generally poor.
Probably got a long drive ahead of them.
somewhat ironic that BMW, Audi and most recently JLR have approached the majority PSA owned Faurecia to improve and manufacture their interiors, seats and various other bits and bobs then?It affects their insurance business severely.
I'm not sure that they have managed it with the new gti - the interior is pretty cheap imo.
The citroens are better but still generally poor.
Probably got a long drive ahead of them.
militantmandy said:
Why should it break down? We have a fleet of 208s at work. Some have done 10k in 6 months and not a single one has had a problem.
We have a fleet of Ford, Vauxhall, BMW, Peugeot, Mercedes and a scant few Volvos left at work now. The BMW's and the Vauxhalls are the most unreliable of the lot. The BMW's are also the most expensive to fix. Interesting on the reliability front.
I find my BMW cheap to fix and reliable to boot.
My Peugeot's were all reliable too, but more expensive to fix in my view. Ie, stuff that lasts a decade on a BMW lasts a few years on a PSA car hehe.
I think half the issue with most cars is who is working on them. The amount of times I've seen cars come back more broken after being worked on is quite amusing
Dave
I find my BMW cheap to fix and reliable to boot.
My Peugeot's were all reliable too, but more expensive to fix in my view. Ie, stuff that lasts a decade on a BMW lasts a few years on a PSA car hehe.
I think half the issue with most cars is who is working on them. The amount of times I've seen cars come back more broken after being worked on is quite amusing
Dave
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