RE: Driven: Renault Twizy
Discussion
thinfourth2 said:
Pollution is not CO2
I have to take exception to that statement. Anything that is emitted into the environment in quantites beyond which it naturally exists is polution. And that includes greenhouse gases.thinfourth2 said:
Pollution is nox, sox, soot and noise etc
All of which an EV absolutely and resolutely kicks a fossil fuelled cars butt on as nothing comes out of the exhaust.
here is an EV exhaust pictured earlier:All of which an EV absolutely and resolutely kicks a fossil fuelled cars butt on as nothing comes out of the exhaust.
(no, not the Stobart truck silly, behind that, on the right!)
As you can, see, it IS emitting NOx, SOx, Soot, noise and a multitude more too
(it's just happens that in this case, this particular EV's exhaust system happens to end in Yorkshire ;-)
thinfourth2 said:
Ah an electric car thread
Suddenly everyone transforms from a powerfully built director with a HUGE house and masive driveway and becomes a poor photocopier salemen that has a 300 mile commute and they live in a 25th floor flat with parking 5 miles away and a poorly Granmother which must be visted at 2am twice a week
Ah, an electric car thread. Suddenly the realities of peoples lives should be ignored, or they should be accused of lying in order to promote a car which is unusable for most.Suddenly everyone transforms from a powerfully built director with a HUGE house and masive driveway and becomes a poor photocopier salemen that has a 300 mile commute and they live in a 25th floor flat with parking 5 miles away and a poorly Granmother which must be visted at 2am twice a week
Max_Torque said:
thinfourth2 said:
Pollution is nox, sox, soot and noise etc
All of which an EV absolutely and resolutely kicks a fossil fuelled cars butt on as nothing comes out of the exhaust.
here is an EV exhaust pictured earlier:All of which an EV absolutely and resolutely kicks a fossil fuelled cars butt on as nothing comes out of the exhaust.
(no, not the Stobart truck silly, behind that, on the right!)
As you can, see, it IS emitting NOx, SOx, Soot, noise and a multitude more too
(it's just happens that in this case, this particular EV's exhaust system happens to end in Yorkshire ;-)
But you get the point it isn't chucking out pollution in a city
DonkeyApple said:
MarshPhantom said:
I like these, although I'm sure I read somewhere you have to lease the batteries for £60 a month.
It's 45 upwards. Bit it solves the problem of buying the batteries at the outset and the risk of ownership. It's not exactly a large sum of money and is somewhat irrelevant in contrast to the initial outlay of 7k+. MarshPhantom said:
DonkeyApple said:
MarshPhantom said:
I like these, although I'm sure I read somewhere you have to lease the batteries for £60 a month.
It's 45 upwards. Bit it solves the problem of buying the batteries at the outset and the risk of ownership. It's not exactly a large sum of money and is somewhat irrelevant in contrast to the initial outlay of 7k+. It's also cheaper than buying the batteries and replacing them.
But seriously, the battery lease part just isn't relevant in the grand scheme of things. Far bigger issues before you even get to that cost.
DonkeyApple said:
jmesgotav8 said:
DonkeyApple said:
Don't see why you couldn't also run something like this akin to a Boris Bike scheme blended with a classic Park and Ride. I'm sure large numbers of people would actually be happy to park a car at the outskirts or take a train to the outskirts and then swipe a card to run into town in one of these.
Love this idea. Not just because I hate the idea of getting on a bus with 'the public' but I would rather park some1 else's car in a small city centre car park than mine. But I can imagine the insurance people and the plod throwing massive hissy fits.Wasn't me officer
Honest...
No idea if it works or not but it appears sensible.
A scenario :-
A Twizzy is 4/5 years old and with it's 3rd/4th owner car & it's batteries need replacing.
Will Renault replace them FOC regardless as to whether the c£40.00 monthly rental has been paid constantly by all the owners or could they say 'Month 28 and 32 weren't paid' and charge the current owner for those lost months ?
Another thought. When the car is perhaps 2 years old & for sale on a dealers forecourt for a couple of months, how does this affect the battery rental agreement?
A Twizzy is 4/5 years old and with it's 3rd/4th owner car & it's batteries need replacing.
Will Renault replace them FOC regardless as to whether the c£40.00 monthly rental has been paid constantly by all the owners or could they say 'Month 28 and 32 weren't paid' and charge the current owner for those lost months ?
Another thought. When the car is perhaps 2 years old & for sale on a dealers forecourt for a couple of months, how does this affect the battery rental agreement?
threespires said:
A scenario :-
A Twizzy is 4/5 years old and with it's 3rd/4th owner car & it's batteries need replacing.
Will Renault replace them FOC regardless as to whether the c£40.00 monthly rental has been paid constantly by all the owners or could they say 'Month 28 and 32 weren't paid' and charge the current owner for those lost months ?
Another thought. When the car is perhaps 2 years old & for sale on a dealers forecourt for a couple of months, how does this affect the battery rental agreement?
Rental agreements will need to be transfered at point of sale if it were done privately. They should be no missed months due to the fact that the registered keeper and the name on the battery agreement is between Renault and the current owner. If payments were missed the owner who had the agreement at that point would be responsible. This I imagine would be treated as any other form of debt, like a phone contract for example. A Twizzy is 4/5 years old and with it's 3rd/4th owner car & it's batteries need replacing.
Will Renault replace them FOC regardless as to whether the c£40.00 monthly rental has been paid constantly by all the owners or could they say 'Month 28 and 32 weren't paid' and charge the current owner for those lost months ?
Another thought. When the car is perhaps 2 years old & for sale on a dealers forecourt for a couple of months, how does this affect the battery rental agreement?
Dealers have an agreed time limit in which to sell a used Twizy with no charge for the battery rental. After this period they will have to make a monthly payment.
Max_Torque said:
I wasn't talking about the cooling tower emissions, i was talking about the flue gas emissions.
So, it's fine to pollute, just as long as it ain't in a city centre??
In some ways it isSo, it's fine to pollute, just as long as it ain't in a city centre??
If you have to pump crap into the air it is better to pump it out where people aren't living
thinfourth2 said:
Max_Torque said:
I wasn't talking about the cooling tower emissions, i was talking about the flue gas emissions.
So, it's fine to pollute, just as long as it ain't in a city centre??
In some ways it isSo, it's fine to pollute, just as long as it ain't in a city centre??
If you have to pump crap into the air it is better to pump it out where people aren't living
It's interesting that the negatives are becoming more and more tenuous. Last year the reason to not buy an EV was the fear of worthless batteries. Now the fear is of a lease deal that resolves the first fear. As far as I'm concerned range et al are red herrings. The single issue is price and a failure to recognise that the target audience for the small city cars is probably not car drivers but users of other transport.
MarshPhantom said:
DonkeyApple said:
MarshPhantom said:
I like these, although I'm sure I read somewhere you have to lease the batteries for £60 a month.
It's 45 upwards. Bit it solves the problem of buying the batteries at the outset and the risk of ownership. It's not exactly a large sum of money and is somewhat irrelevant in contrast to the initial outlay of 7k+. So thats a real incentive to go green !
SystemParanoia said:
All concepts are 'prettymuch' production ready
Inaccurate statement. The Honda has a complete interior and actually drives....enough for the test driver to give it the beans. 'Honda will start testing the Micro Commuter in 2013 as part of an initiative spearheaded by the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism. The car is also being developed with an eye on L7 category (quadricycle) regulations in Europe.'
You have to only look at some of the concept cars last year to see that not all of them are anywhere near production ready.
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