RE: Chris Harris video: Ferrari 458 Spider
Discussion
cheddar said:
Makes Clarkson's heavily edited oversteer attempts look duff and clumsy.
Clarkson never claims to be a driving god though, he's quite happy to admit that a lot of the camera shots on TG are someone else doing a lot of the drifting simply because what takes him a few goes to do they do it first time pretty much everytime. He'd still out drive the vast majority of people though. Another top video by CH though. Epic hooning
Garett said:
The lack of respect shown for that particular vehicle is hilarious. Seems like a bit of a f
k you to Ferrari to me, and rightly so judging by the article on Jalopnik.
Respectfully, I disagree. No harm was done to the car (OK, so maybe the rear tyres were prematurely aged) and Chris has a huge amount of mechanical sympathy. As the video demonstrates, the car can be driven like that in the right hands, it's just that you'll never see a Ferrari promotional video in which it is. There have been no complaints about the video at all from Ferrari - the car does after all come out of it looking rather stellar.k you to Ferrari to me, and rightly so judging by the article on Jalopnik. slinky said:
veevee said:
Doesn't Chris Harris have a 599? Or am I getting confused?
He does, but that was a personal purchase, not a press car.Chris Harris on jalopnik said:
The simple message from Ferrari is that unless you play exactly by the laws they lay down, you're off the list.
What are those laws? Apart from the laughable track test stuff, as a journalist you are expressly forbidden from driving any current Ferrari road car without permission from the factory. So if I want to drive my mate's 458 tomorrow, I have to ask the factory. Will it allow me to drive the car? No: because it is of "unknown provenance," i.e. not tuned. I'm almost tempted to buy a 458, just for the joy of phoning Maranello every morning and asking if its OK if I take my kid to school.
What are those laws? Apart from the laughable track test stuff, as a journalist you are expressly forbidden from driving any current Ferrari road car without permission from the factory. So if I want to drive my mate's 458 tomorrow, I have to ask the factory. Will it allow me to drive the car? No: because it is of "unknown provenance," i.e. not tuned. I'm almost tempted to buy a 458, just for the joy of phoning Maranello every morning and asking if its OK if I take my kid to school.
Stuart said:
Respectfully, I disagree. No harm was done to the car (OK, so maybe the rear tyres were prematurely aged) and Chris has a huge amount of mechanical sympathy. As the video demonstrates, the car can be driven like that in the right hands, it's just that you'll never see a Ferrari promotional video in which it is. There have been no complaints about the video at all from Ferrari - the car does after all come out of it looking rather stellar.
I wonder if perhaps the Ferrari-Chris relationship might now be better for future road tests?GroundEffect said:
I've seen (and heard) a 458 Spider being spanked around a circuit (Brooklands Mercedes track) and whilst it looks glorious it just sounds too clinical for me. Where is the raw edge to the noise? The farts and bangs? It sounded synthetic...which is not what I expected.
Agree completely. There is no complexity to the noise. If it wasn't for the fact that the specs say it's got a V8 in it, you would've thought it had a Honda S2000 lump in it and even that was complex sounding, when the VTEC kicked in yo! This is like an F20C without the VTEC!Edited by Dr Z on Friday 1st February 14:21
Stuart said:
Garett said:
The lack of respect shown for that particular vehicle is hilarious. Seems like a bit of a fk you to Ferrari to me, and rightly so judging by the article on Jalopnik.
Respectfully, I disagree. No harm was done to the car (OK, so maybe the rear tyres were prematurely aged) and Chris has a huge amount of mechanical sympathy. As the video demonstrates, the car can be driven like that in the right hands, it's just that you'll never see a Ferrari promotional video in which it is. There have been no complaints about the video at all from Ferrari - the car does after all come out of it looking rather stellar.k you to Ferrari to me, and rightly so judging by the article on Jalopnik. It was a real balls to the wall, grab it by the scruff of the neck and show it who's boss type affair though and that's not showing it the respect most people would probably give to a Ferrari.
Garett said:
It was a real balls to the wall, grab it by the scruff of the neck and show it who's boss type affair though and that's not showing it the respect most people would probably give to a Ferrari.
Perhaps. I prefer to see it as him having the sort of driving skill to be able to show what it is capable of, rather than showing it a lack of respect. Think of the car as being more capable than the person who will typically drive it, if you like.Stuart said:
Perhaps. I prefer to see it as him having the sort of driving skill to be able to show what it is capable of, rather than showing it a lack of respect. Think of the car as being more capable than the person who will typically drive it, if you like.
I have seen the video 3 times already and the transitional drifting is mesmerising. What do I have to do to get a day's drifting tuition from Chris :-) ? pM me :-)Charlie Michael said:
Stuart said:
Respectfully, I disagree. No harm was done to the car (OK, so maybe the rear tyres were prematurely aged) and Chris has a huge amount of mechanical sympathy. As the video demonstrates, the car can be driven like that in the right hands, it's just that you'll never see a Ferrari promotional video in which it is. There have been no complaints about the video at all from Ferrari - the car does after all come out of it looking rather stellar.
I wonder if perhaps the Ferrari-Chris relationship might now be better for future road tests?
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