RE: PH Buying Guide: Range Rover (L322)
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mondeoman said:
But once you've done the repairs (and you wont get all of them at once) you're back to a wagon thats good for another 100k miles, surely?
Looking at them myself, £15k gets you a 6-7 yr old, either TDV8 or proper V8.
The mention of a turbo and dodgy gearbox means he's probably on about a TD6 which had the 5 speed made of cheese. I had a tuned 485bhp 4.2 Supercharged and had 0 issues with the engine or gearbox and it'd done 110k miles before it was written off by a lorry. I'd have another I a heartbeat of the wife let me Looking at them myself, £15k gets you a 6-7 yr old, either TDV8 or proper V8.
I'm thinking of buying an L322, probably a '08-'09 TDV8.
Do these have low range? I can't seem to find info on the drive train anywhere! Just that it has snow/grass and various other modes but not really any explanation.
How about diff locks? Centre? Front and rear? Or is the grip just metered out by electronic braking?
Any info appreciated!
Do these have low range? I can't seem to find info on the drive train anywhere! Just that it has snow/grass and various other modes but not really any explanation.
How about diff locks? Centre? Front and rear? Or is the grip just metered out by electronic braking?
Any info appreciated!
All L322's have a low range box and a locking centre diff. The Supercharged have the rear e-diff (variable electronic locking) as standard and it was an option on all others. To check if a car you're looking at has it put it in Grass/Gravel/Snow and change the display to the off-road info. You'll see two padlocks one on the centre and one on the rear diff. If you only see a centre padlock you don't have the extra locking diff.
The diffs lock automatically and this mode is always active and the FFRR's electronic gubbins will lock when it thinks you need it, you can't override it and to be honest I never needed to. Whenever I got stuck the car found a way to get me out, even if sometimes that meant a little digging, waffle boards or jacking.
The diffs lock automatically and this mode is always active and the FFRR's electronic gubbins will lock when it thinks you need it, you can't override it and to be honest I never needed to. Whenever I got stuck the car found a way to get me out, even if sometimes that meant a little digging, waffle boards or jacking.
Nice to see the complete mix and match of metric PS and imperial HP figures, all nicely shown as HP 
The guide seems to miss out a lot of rather critical info concerning the differences between the BMW engine models and the latter ones.
Lots and lots of key differences. And the differences between the BMW V8 and diesel gearboxes.
I also didn't seem mention of the prob shaft and diff issues.
The guide seems to miss out a lot of rather critical info concerning the differences between the BMW engine models and the latter ones.
Lots and lots of key differences. And the differences between the BMW V8 and diesel gearboxes.
I also didn't seem mention of the prob shaft and diff issues.
TheAllSeeingPie said:
All L322's have a low range box and a locking centre diff. The Supercharged have the rear e-diff (variable electronic locking) as standard and it was an option on all others. To check if a car you're looking at has it put it in Grass/Gravel/Snow and change the display to the off-road info. You'll see two padlocks one on the centre and one on the rear diff. If you only see a centre padlock you don't have the extra locking diff.
The diffs lock automatically and this mode is always active and the FFRR's electronic gubbins will lock when it thinks you need it, you can't override it and to be honest I never needed to. Whenever I got stuck the car found a way to get me out, even if sometimes that meant a little digging, waffle boards or jacking.
Thank you that's very helpful.The diffs lock automatically and this mode is always active and the FFRR's electronic gubbins will lock when it thinks you need it, you can't override it and to be honest I never needed to. Whenever I got stuck the car found a way to get me out, even if sometimes that meant a little digging, waffle boards or jacking.
Timbuk2 said:
I'm thinking of buying an L322, probably a '08-'09 TDV8.
Do these have low range? I can't seem to find info on the drive train anywhere! Just that it has snow/grass and various other modes but not really any explanation.
How about diff locks? Centre? Front and rear? Or is the grip just metered out by electronic braking?
Any info appreciated!
Will you be off roading it? If not, would any of this actually matter? And by off road, I don't mean just driving onto a grass field for pheasant shoot.Do these have low range? I can't seem to find info on the drive train anywhere! Just that it has snow/grass and various other modes but not really any explanation.
How about diff locks? Centre? Front and rear? Or is the grip just metered out by electronic braking?
Any info appreciated!
300bhp/ton said:
Nice to see the complete mix and match of metric PS and imperial HP figures, all nicely shown as HP
The guide seems to miss out a lot of rather critical info concerning the differences between the BMW engine models and the latter ones.
Lots and lots of key differences. And the differences between the BMW V8 and diesel gearboxes.
I also didn't seem mention of the prob shaft and diff issues.
Since you seem to know so much why don't you add the info then?The guide seems to miss out a lot of rather critical info concerning the differences between the BMW engine models and the latter ones.
Lots and lots of key differences. And the differences between the BMW V8 and diesel gearboxes.
I also didn't seem mention of the prob shaft and diff issues.
TheAllSeeingPie said:
Since you seem to know so much why don't you add the info then?
| 2002-2005MY | BMW 4.4 | 5-speed ZF 5HP24 | New Venture NV225 | used in conjunction with the 5-speed transmissions, employs a Torsen Type-B differential to apportion torques front-to-rear (the split being nominally 50:50). The Torsen design limits the torque biasing to 65%/35% in either direction and, as many of us found to our cost when our front propshaft spline failed and left us stranded, the Torsen unit does not allow the differential to be ‘locked’. | "High Range 1:1 | Low Range 2.69:1 |
| 2002-2006MY | BMW 3.0 diesel | 5-speed GM 5L40-E | ?? | |||
| 2006-2009MY | Jaguar V8(4.4 n/a & 4.2 S/C) | 6-speed ZF 6HP26 | Magna Steyr DD295 | The DD295 unit on the other hand uses a ‘normal’ bevel gear differential, which again nominally splits torque 50:50 front-to-rear, and a multi-plate clutch pack is employed to vary the front-to-rear torque distribution with the clutch also having the capability to lock the centre differential. | "High Range 1:1 | Low Range 2.93:1" |
| 2007-2010MY | TDV8 3.6 | 6-speed ZF 6HP26 | Magna Steyr DD295 | |||
| 2010-2012MY | Jaguar V8(5.0) | 6-speed ZF 6HP28 | Magna Steyr DD295 | |||
| 2011-2012MY | TDV8 4.4 | 8-speed ZF 8HP70 | Magna Steyr DD295 |
Basically the BMW engine L322's don't have a locking centre diff, they use a limited slip type (as do most older Range Rover's).
Front prop shaft uses on a single UJ on one end. This can cause alignment and wear issues on the diff splines.
3.0 TD6 BMW engine uses a different gearbox to the BMW V8's. While it's possible both gearboxes might require a rebuild, the GM box used with the Td6 is boarderline on the torque specs of the stock engine. So any L322 used for towing will need or already have had the box rebuilt. And pretty much all the re-mapped ones. Sadly rebuilding it will likely only be a temporarily solution if it's remapped and will likely need another rebuild at some point.
BMW engine models also use the BMW based in car entertainment systems and controls (the name escapes me at the moment). This means it can be upgraded with newer BMW parts and specs. These models do not have Terrain Response.
The BMW models also generally use smaller brakes and smaller alloys. If you plan to off road then this might be important as you can run standard 18" rims or even 17" rims from a D3. This will allow a wider choice of off road tyres.
Jaguar based vehicles are usually limited to 19" rims and bigger and limits choice of off road tyres.
Great info, cheers!
300bhp/ton said:
Jaguar based vehicles are usually limited to 19" rims and bigger and limits choice of off road tyres.
Pre-2010 Jag-based vehicles can usually run the BMW 18's without issue unless it's the Supercharged cars which have Brembos which require either Compomotive rims (PD1880) to fit over the larger brakes. Post-2010 vehicles had larger brakes so are limited to 19's as a minimum and the Compomotives won't fit either unfortunately.Impasse said:
300bhp/ton said:
Front prop shaft uses on a single UJ on one end. This can cause alignment and wear issues on the diff splines.
Most, if not all, will have had the rework done by now so this is no longer a real-world issue.There are a couple of independent companies that offer a revised prop, but unless things have changed this isn't something LR adopted themselves.
Re-work was simply to check it and replace the entire front diff if necessary. But retain the original design.
300bhp/ton said:
And what re-work would this be? As far as I know LR did not alter the design until the Jag engine versions appeared (because they use a different transfer box and case).
There are a couple of independent companies that offer a revised prop, but unless things have changed this isn't something LR adopted themselves.
Re-work was simply to check it and replace the entire front diff if necessary. But retain the original design.
It wasn't a Land Rover recall as such, but the front prop had the splined end removed and a CV joint fitted in its place - all FOC and usually when the car visited a dealership for a service etc. There are a couple of independent companies that offer a revised prop, but unless things have changed this isn't something LR adopted themselves.
Re-work was simply to check it and replace the entire front diff if necessary. But retain the original design.
Just watched the latest Harry's garage video on these and he says from MY2007 they're far better for reliability. I'd never heard that before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl51reRXxgE
Can't all be bad when you see some of the mileages of cars for sale-
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=milea...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl51reRXxgE
Can't all be bad when you see some of the mileages of cars for sale-
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=milea...
I bought an 03 V8 L322 with 88k on it.I have done a bit of fiddling around with the EAS passenger window etc but its been ok and I have been pleasantly surprised by the fuel consumption of 18mpg .
At £4k I thought I could take a risk at a hit but going up to £15k plus for a 8-10 year old car is still a bit of a risk .
At £4k I thought I could take a risk at a hit but going up to £15k plus for a 8-10 year old car is still a bit of a risk .
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