RE: (Not) driven: Jaguar F-Type

[Indigo Scout]

Looks Mega ... I'm gonna wait until they put a V12 in it, just for the exhaust note.

[monamimate]

Jimbo. said:

405dogvan said:

Ah - I see you subscribe to the same (and fundamentally wrong) version of progress that Tesco's boss uses

His form of progress is gutting high streets, reducing employment, being given free money to suppress competition and selling more expensive food which is far, far less healthy, fresh, tasty or sustainable.

In this case we're talking about progress which results in a Jaguar which looks fk-all like a Jaguar. If you took the badges off that, NO-ONE (who doesn't know it) would guess it's a Jag.

If you put Nissan/Mazda badges on it they'd buy that too.

I like the car but Jaguar have gotten where they are by making individual looking cars which are beautiful and clearly 'Jags'. Even when they crib their own designs (as with the slightly dodgy S Type) they at least didn't fail to make a Jag.

The XF and new XJ are not Jags - this isn't a Jag either.

Well, unless 'progress' means people seeing a 370Z and saying "Oh look - it's the new Jag"...

So what you're saying is Jaguar should be churning out the same old rustic cottages on wheels like they were before?

They shouldn't. They couldn't. Whilst they were doing so with the S-Type, XJ and X-Type, they were at best on life-support, else dying. There's only so long wood, leather, and memories so old even they are in black-and-white can sustain you for. Jaguar needed new, Jaguar needed fresh, Jaguar needed modern. They did so with the XF and XJ, and it seems to be working. The F-Type is the next step.

And remember, Jaguar (or SS if we go back far enough) used to pride themselves on automotive engineering/design daring-do and innovation: aerodynamics, materials, suspension, styling. Progress

Don't put words in his mouth: "so what you're saying is...".

I agree wholly with him: maintaining the brand identity is not synonimous with "churning out old cottages". Look at Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, RR (ie makes with strong brands): they modernise and innovate, but each car immediately links to its ancestors across decades...

[ukmike2000]

The car looks delicious in the flesh. The price was a bit of a shock though!

[carsnapper]

Odd. I find myself having next to no emotional response to this F-Type. The engine notes sound predictably engineered & generic in tone and the design is dull as ditch water! If it would be available with a proper gear box and would cost £50-60K max, then it'd make sense to me, especially in V6 guise.

Much prefer the original prototypes. Maybe the MK2 will be an improvement in 5 years?

[HighwayStar]

monamimate said:

Agree. There are far too many lines and folds and gaping inlets. They had an opportunity to create a modern interpretation of Jaguar's restraint and purity of line, and instead produced something that looks like an extra for the next Fast and Furious... pity

The concept is completely irrelevant, that was way back when Ford were running things. And at that time what did Ford do for Jaguar really. They didn't have a clue. X-type on a Mondeo platform. S-type on shared a Lincoln platform... All
Their rivals had moved upward and onward, getting the job done.
All you people complaining about what the F-type should cost need to remember what Jaguar is up against. I'm sure they want to produce it at a more realist price but Porsche is one of the most profitable, if not the most profitable car companies their is. The Cayenne, their biggest seller, enjoys margins near 20%. Then there is the Boxster/Cayman & 911, they share a lot of common architecture, components etc. which brings economy of scale. Something Jag don't have. And behind all that Porsche have VW's huge buying power.
It's easy to say Jag should be doing X or only charge Y, easy to say but hard to do in the short term.

[AlexH]

405dogvan said:

I'm still torn over the new Jaguar design DNA - it's nice, it's just not Jaguar.

Totally.

It's a nice looking car, but I don't think it's pretty like a Jaguar should be (same goes for the XJ), and while it appeals on perhaps a cerebral level, it doesn't really stir heart or soul. Still remember the first time I saw a Griff...and I'm just not getting the same 'WANT ONE' feeling...

Don't get me wrong, if offered one for free I'd be over the moon, but for my own money I don't think it would win out.

Definitely see Nissan GTR styling cues, and maybe even a little bit of Mercedes SLS in the first, front on shot. Need to see one in the metal to come to final opinion though.

[s111dpc]

Followed two of these through Westbury today. Both left hookers and in a lovely burnt orange colour. Looked very nice just a shame about the potental price tag.

[Jimbo.]

Bedazzled said:

If that's "progress" you can keep it. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but honestly some people need a white stick!

The middle one is the Eagle Speedster, and not, as I suspect you're aware, a standard E-Type. Far, far from it. Hardly a valid comparison.

White sticks, again?

[Ace1650cp]

Has anyone got a good comparison of base specs and costs and price of similar reasonable extras.

Base price of boxster s vs. v6 f-type (closest in performance) is £45k v £58k so decent margin but base spec and cost of extras could reduce this gap?

[RacerMike]

anonymous said:

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Yeah. I was the same with the Koenigsegg Agera R. I heard rumours it was going to only cost £500,000 but at £800,000 plus taxes, I'm not even going there. Shame.

[Wills2]

Ace1650cp said:

Has anyone got a good comparison of base specs and costs and price of similar reasonable extras.

Base price of boxster s vs. v6 f-type (closest in performance) is £45k v £58k so decent margin but base spec and cost of extras could reduce this gap?

No the V6 S is the closest to the Boxster S they have the same performance figures when you spec the boxster with the PDK.

So Boxster S PDK @ £47,300 Vs V6 S at £67,500.

[Simon-R]

Saw 4 of them in Cirencester this afternoon. V8 sounded superb not sure of rear end styling. But I am sure they will sell.

[CatfishCKY]

Pretty certain I saw one of these tonight by Stonehenge, about 6.30-7.00. it was dark but the front and rear lights were unmistakable! Sounded rather rorty as it went past too. Westbury isn't too far from here so could be a possibility it was one of the ones spotted earlier!

[jagfan2]

Wills2 said:

No the V6 S is the closest to the Boxster S they have the same performance figures when you spec the boxster with the PDK.

So Boxster S PDK @ £47,300 Vs V6 S at £67,500.

Not unless you spec sports chrono on top for another 2k, you also need to add Bluetooth, electric seats and xenon lights to get close to the jag spec, and the jag v6 s has a mechanical lsd and active dampers and exhausts too. Not saying the jag is cheap, but you need a 54k+ boxster s to get close , not 47k!

[Ace1650cp]

Wills2 said:

No the V6 S is the closest to the Boxster S they have the same performance figures when you spec the boxster with the PDK.

So Boxster S PDK @ £47,300 Vs V6 S at £67,500.

Really? Not that I am trying to defend the jag but the boxster s with PDK still is closer to base f-type from what I can see?

[EdM]

Jag had an opportunity here to make a great car for the enthusiast pricing it sensibly ...instead they're greedy f***kers asking far too much money and once the novelty value wears off they'll depreciate like a stone...lessons in how to alienate your customer base...

[Wills2]

Ace1650cp said:

Wills2 said:

No the V6 S is the closest to the Boxster S they have the same performance figures when you spec the boxster with the PDK.

So Boxster S PDK @ £47,300 Vs V6 S at £67,500.

Really? Not that I am trying to defend the jag but the boxster s with PDK still is closer to base f-type from what I can see?

0-62mph F-type S 4.9 171mph Boxster S 5.0/4.8 (PDK) 172mph. (from their websites)

Where are you looking?

[Wills2]

EdM said:

Jag had an opportunity here to make a great car for the enthusiast pricing it sensibly ...instead they're greedy f***kers asking far too much money and once the novelty value wears off they'll depreciate like a stone...lessons in how to alienate your customer base...

Well to be fair to them they don't have a customer base in this sector.

[Gixer]

Don't like the looks at all in that red colour. See a black one parked up on Sunday. Looked fantastic in black. Nothing particularly special from the front (looked much like eerything else) but I really liked the back and side profile.

[drewbagz]

Jaguar may be getting things right at the moment, but when they get it wrong, boy do they get it wrong;

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2128344_video_ja...

WOOPS!