RE: (Not) driven: Jaguar F-Type
Discussion
I love V8s but that does sound just a little flatulent, loud and large but not performance oriented, difficult to describe what it needs, 'tone' perhaps, I don't know what word to use, hopefully they can tune the exhaust before it goes on sale. The volume is good the voice less so. Looks great though 
jagfan2 said:
Wills2 said:
No the V6 S is the closest to the Boxster S they have the same performance figures when you spec the boxster with the PDK.
So Boxster S PDK @ £47,300 Vs V6 S at £67,500.
Not unless you spec sports chrono on top for another 2k, you also need to add Bluetooth, electric seats and xenon lights to get close to the jag spec, and the jag v6 s has a mechanical lsd and active dampers and exhausts too. Not saying the jag is cheap, but you need a 54k+ boxster s to get close , not 47k!So Boxster S PDK @ £47,300 Vs V6 S at £67,500.
So lets take your numbers 54k Porsche vs 67,500 Jag does it really change the argument? Thought not.
To me the Jag needs a better spec and to be priced at the same level not be 15k more expensive even taking your figures.
EdM said:
Jag had an opportunity here to make a great car for the enthusiast pricing it sensibly ...instead they're greedy f***kers asking far too much money and once the novelty value wears off they'll depreciate like a stone...lessons in how to alienate your customer base...
What amazes me most is that so many think Jaguar and Porsche care a sh.t about what we in the little UK think. You can bet that in China and probably the States, where the big markets are, pricing will be such that customers will be hard pushed to chose on value. They don't wear the same rose-tinted glasses and have the same biased love of all things Porsche.Some of you need to wake up and smell the big World out there.
DaveEssex said:
EdM said:
Jag had an opportunity here to make a great car for the enthusiast pricing it sensibly ...instead they're greedy f***kers asking far too much money and once the novelty value wears off they'll depreciate like a stone...lessons in how to alienate your customer base...
What amazes me most is that so many think Jaguar and Porsche care a sh.t about what we in the little UK think. You can bet that in China and probably the States, where the big markets are, pricing will be such that customers will be hard pushed to chose on value. They don't wear the same rose-tinted glasses and have the same biased love of all things Porsche.Some of you need to wake up and smell the big World out there.
monamimate said:
Some of you need to check some facts before screaming blue murder... UK is actually still Jaguar/Land Rover's second biggest market after China and before USA, based on 2012 sales.
What on earth has that fact to do with how many F-Types Jaguar are likely to sell. Facts on XK sales say differently.
thiscocks said:
yorkieboy said:
I think Jag shoulda made a entry level V6 for 40k.
+1. A 300bhp N/A v6. Would probably sound even better too.Sadly a lot of people are extremely pathetic when it comes to brands and image and perceptions of quality and Jaguar are probably right to act accordingly. British car enthusiasts, if PH can be said to be representative of them, seem to like nothing more than slagging off what remains of the industry and all the decisions that are made.
I, for one, hope the car succeeds in justifying its price tag, but the looks, the name and the noise should go a long way to doing that already.
DaveEssex said:
EdM said:
Jag had an opportunity here to make a great car for the enthusiast pricing it sensibly ...instead they're greedy f***kers asking far too much money and once the novelty value wears off they'll depreciate like a stone...lessons in how to alienate your customer base...
What amazes me most is that so many think Jaguar and Porsche care a sh.t about what we in the little UK think. You can bet that in China and probably the States, where the big markets are, pricing will be such that customers will be hard pushed to chose on value. They don't wear the same rose-tinted glasses and have the same biased love of all things Porsche.Some of you need to wake up and smell the big World out there.
Europe is the third largest car market then US then China, so Jag need to compete in Europe and the US both larger than average markets for sports cars.
Most think the car is great but don't like the price that's all we're saying.
I notice the article quotes Cross talking about the R8/Aston/911 rival they have built in the F-type, does he really believe that?
Going through all the above dilemmas myself.
I'm 'lucky' enough to have an offer of an early F-Type on the basis of a letter of intent I sent in in 2000 following the concept shown in Detroit, and have had a few Porsche, amongst others, since.
Had a chance to get up close and personal with the car at the Jaguar visitor centre last week as part of the WhatCar reader review and have to say it's got some real presence - whilst the quality of the Porsches has come on leaps and bounds this did seem a nicer place to sit.
But that's the crunch, it was just sit..
The known quantity of a Boxster S, specced up to my ideal spec, comes in at £63k, the unknown Jag V6S at £73k. The Jag does have the static feel (and look in my opinion) of a car half a class higher, perhaps not quite 911, but not far short
But I'm keeping the spyder so perhaps two Boxster models, no matter how different, is a bit much, therefore I'll end up the Boxster vs F-Type guinea pig for PH
On another note, I've a horrible feeling that, despite the petrol running through my veins, WhatCar will focus on my comments about the boot practicality - ho um
I'm 'lucky' enough to have an offer of an early F-Type on the basis of a letter of intent I sent in in 2000 following the concept shown in Detroit, and have had a few Porsche, amongst others, since.
Had a chance to get up close and personal with the car at the Jaguar visitor centre last week as part of the WhatCar reader review and have to say it's got some real presence - whilst the quality of the Porsches has come on leaps and bounds this did seem a nicer place to sit.
But that's the crunch, it was just sit..
The known quantity of a Boxster S, specced up to my ideal spec, comes in at £63k, the unknown Jag V6S at £73k. The Jag does have the static feel (and look in my opinion) of a car half a class higher, perhaps not quite 911, but not far short
But I'm keeping the spyder so perhaps two Boxster models, no matter how different, is a bit much, therefore I'll end up the Boxster vs F-Type guinea pig for PH
On another note, I've a horrible feeling that, despite the petrol running through my veins, WhatCar will focus on my comments about the boot practicality - ho um
To pick up on the points re F-type pricing vs a vis the Porsche product line.
If I recall correctly the Autocar interview with the Jaguar team brought out the information that Jaguar expect to sell 10,000 XK and F-types per year. That's a global total for the two product lines. 10K a year? - that's it...
Which either suggests that Jaguar management knows that they are starting a fair way behind Porsche in terms of brand strength, market presence, etc, or, the global market for 2 seat sports cars and GT's is much smaller than I had thought..
No wonder the pricing is so steep if they have to pull back the R&D costs across that small a sales volume. I think it'll be a halo car, but it's never going to replicate 911 sales volumes. And it would be unrealistic to expect it to.
If I recall correctly the Autocar interview with the Jaguar team brought out the information that Jaguar expect to sell 10,000 XK and F-types per year. That's a global total for the two product lines. 10K a year? - that's it...
Which either suggests that Jaguar management knows that they are starting a fair way behind Porsche in terms of brand strength, market presence, etc, or, the global market for 2 seat sports cars and GT's is much smaller than I had thought..
No wonder the pricing is so steep if they have to pull back the R&D costs across that small a sales volume. I think it'll be a halo car, but it's never going to replicate 911 sales volumes. And it would be unrealistic to expect it to.
richardaucock said:
V8 sounds really, really delicious. But the V6 S/C experience seems that bit more high tech, contemporary and in keeping with the nature of the F-Type.
We'll make a final call once we've driven it!
Trikster said:
Going through all the above dilemmas myself.
I'm 'lucky' enough to have an offer of an early F-Type on the basis of a letter of intent I sent in in 2000 following the concept shown in Detroit, and have had a few Porsche, amongst others, since.
Had a chance to get up close and personal with the car at the Jaguar visitor centre last week as part of the WhatCar reader review and have to say it's got some real presence - whilst the quality of the Porsches has come on leaps and bounds this did seem a nicer place to sit.
But that's the crunch, it was just sit..
The known quantity of a Boxster S, specced up to my ideal spec, comes in at £63k, the unknown Jag V6S at £73k. The Jag does have the static feel (and look in my opinion) of a car half a class higher, perhaps not quite 911, but not far short
But I'm keeping the spyder so perhaps two Boxster models, no matter how different, is a bit much, therefore I'll end up the Boxster vs F-Type guinea pig for PH
On another note, I've a horrible feeling that, despite the petrol running through my veins, WhatCar will focus on my comments about the boot practicality - ho um
Evo's take on the V6S (from their article about the same day out in Wales) is that it's aimed squarely at the 991 3.4 Cabrio. Given the F-Type's pricing, spec, power/torque, performance etc. this makes a whole lot more sense than its being aimed at the Boxster S.I'm 'lucky' enough to have an offer of an early F-Type on the basis of a letter of intent I sent in in 2000 following the concept shown in Detroit, and have had a few Porsche, amongst others, since.
Had a chance to get up close and personal with the car at the Jaguar visitor centre last week as part of the WhatCar reader review and have to say it's got some real presence - whilst the quality of the Porsches has come on leaps and bounds this did seem a nicer place to sit.
But that's the crunch, it was just sit..
The known quantity of a Boxster S, specced up to my ideal spec, comes in at £63k, the unknown Jag V6S at £73k. The Jag does have the static feel (and look in my opinion) of a car half a class higher, perhaps not quite 911, but not far short
But I'm keeping the spyder so perhaps two Boxster models, no matter how different, is a bit much, therefore I'll end up the Boxster vs F-Type guinea pig for PH
On another note, I've a horrible feeling that, despite the petrol running through my veins, WhatCar will focus on my comments about the boot practicality - ho um
Link to the Evo write-up:
http://www.evo.co.uk/features/features/287962/jagu...
On a related issue - it was stated many times earlier in this thread that the F-Type must be a Boxster competitor, not a 991 competitor, as it only has 2 seats. That argument simply doesn't hold water - it would make the AMG SL Merc an overpriced Boxster competitor too, when it clearly isn't.
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