RE: (Not) driven: Jaguar F-Type
Discussion
tony wright said:
Not sure your correct on the depreciation of the Evoque. If the F types has similar residuals, there will be a lot of very, very happy F-type owners.
Much has been made of the development of this car on Welsh Broads, so why isn't there a manual and why is it so uncomfortably wide? It looks sensational to me and sounds great but if it were 20cm narrower you would feel much more confident in placing it and it may actually fit inside some garages as well as being safer from door bangers in car parks!
EdM said:
tony wright said:
Not sure your correct on the depreciation of the Evoque. If the F types has similar residuals, there will be a lot of very, very happy F-type owners.
I have now bought another one, a Pure model as I needed the extra cash for my F-type 
BlueRSed, the technical reports say that the F-type uses a cut-down version of the aluminium chassis as pioneered in the last-model XJ saloon and also as used now underneath the current XJ saloon and the XK Grand Tourer.
The F-type is a bit shorter than an XK, although not by as much as you'd think and is the same chassis width. It wasn't allowed to get any narrower - 'elf and safety reasons, meaning new regulations re better passenger protection requirements in the event of a side - impact accident.
Ditto reasoning for why it's also not as light as any of us would wish....
The F-type is a bit shorter than an XK, although not by as much as you'd think and is the same chassis width. It wasn't allowed to get any narrower - 'elf and safety reasons, meaning new regulations re better passenger protection requirements in the event of a side - impact accident.
Ditto reasoning for why it's also not as light as any of us would wish....
BlueRSedFly said:
Much has been made of the development of this car on Welsh Broads, so why isn't there a manual and why is it so uncomfortably wide? It looks sensational to me and sounds great but if it were 20cm narrower you would feel much more confident in placing it and it may actually fit inside some garages as well as being safer from door bangers in car parks!
Just reserve judgement about it's width until you ride in/drive one.
A3tdi said:
According to:
Jaguar UK online config models start from:
£58500
Jaguar US online config models start from:
£44000
WHY!?!??!
They'll be government and state taxes to go on that figure... State taxes vary from state to state... If the F-Type comes gas guzzler status then there'll be more taxes in there.Jaguar UK online config models start from:
£58500
Jaguar US online config models start from:
£44000
WHY!?!??!
The Boxster is no different, basic prices range from $49500-60000. £32k before taxes...
HighwayStar said:
They'll be government and state taxes to go on that figure... State taxes vary from state to state... If the F-Type comes gas guzzler status then there'll be more taxes in there.
The Boxster is no different, basic prices range from $49500-60000. £32k before taxes...
Did some quick maths:The Boxster is no different, basic prices range from $49500-60000. £32k before taxes...
State tax (new york - 9%) = £3960
Gas guzzler = £0 (does not qualify)
Vehicle + destination charge = £44000
Total - £47960
Edit:
Have i missed anything?
A3tdi said:
HighwayStar said:
They'll be government and state taxes to go on that figure... State taxes vary from state to state... If the F-Type comes gas guzzler status then there'll be more taxes in there.
The Boxster is no different, basic prices range from $49500-60000. £32k before taxes...
Did some quick maths:The Boxster is no different, basic prices range from $49500-60000. £32k before taxes...
State tax (new york - 9%) = £3960
Gas guzzler = £0 (does not qualify)
Vehicle + destination charge = £44000
Total - £47960
Edit:
Have i missed anything?
But y'know what, it's one of the many same things that come up every time. Why buy this when you can have that. It's too heavy, it looks the same as another car, it doesn't look different enough. Fail. You can get a 5yr old X for 1/3 the price.
If you were buying the F-Type in Denmark... you'd be shocked at the heavy mark up taxes put on the price of a car. You'd be surprised how much more you'd pay for used car over there.
Yes but why is it cheaper in the US than the UK you say. Most things are. Who knows, sadly it is the way it is. I haven't looked to see what you drive but in all likelihood your own car is cheaper to buy in the US. The bottom line on anything is you're either going to buy something or you're not.
I should've checked out your name re your car... Probably not sold in the states.!!! I was wrong there... A3TDi are available over there, the A3 range starts at... ah maybe you don't want to know.
Edited by HighwayStar on Saturday 9th February 09:44
Edited by HighwayStar on Saturday 9th February 09:49
Went to a promotion for it yesterday and I'd say it's overpriced.
V8 base is £80. The one on display with some options was £91k. An XKR is 85k.
2012 12 reg XKRs can be bought for 60k. So F types will drop lower than this, IMHO. Once the waiting list is met I reckon depreciation will be dramatic.
One of the sales guys said production would be 2,500 in the first year, so that may keep residuals up for a while. He also said the XK replacement would be priced in Aston territory so making the F type look cheaper.
If I was in the market for a new XKR or F type it would be XKR every time.
V8 base is £80. The one on display with some options was £91k. An XKR is 85k.
2012 12 reg XKRs can be bought for 60k. So F types will drop lower than this, IMHO. Once the waiting list is met I reckon depreciation will be dramatic.
One of the sales guys said production would be 2,500 in the first year, so that may keep residuals up for a while. He also said the XK replacement would be priced in Aston territory so making the F type look cheaper.
If I was in the market for a new XKR or F type it would be XKR every time.
Jagmanv12 said:
Went to a promotion for it yesterday and I'd say it's overpriced.
V8 base is £80. The one on display with some options was £91k. An XKR is 85k.
2012 12 reg XKRs can be bought for 60k. So F types will drop lower than this, IMHO. Once the waiting list is met I reckon depreciation will be dramatic.
One of the sales guys said production would be 2,500 in the first year, so that may keep residuals up for a while. He also said the XK replacement would be priced in Aston territory so making the F type look cheaper.
If I was in the market for a new XKR or F type it would be XKR every time.
Ridiculous. The whole point of Jaguars was that they were stunning to look at, and almost ludicrously cheap for what they were. That's why they sold so many E Types etc. V8 base is £80. The one on display with some options was £91k. An XKR is 85k.
2012 12 reg XKRs can be bought for 60k. So F types will drop lower than this, IMHO. Once the waiting list is met I reckon depreciation will be dramatic.
One of the sales guys said production would be 2,500 in the first year, so that may keep residuals up for a while. He also said the XK replacement would be priced in Aston territory so making the F type look cheaper.
If I was in the market for a new XKR or F type it would be XKR every time.
Jaguar just doesn't belong in Aston Martin territory. The cars were always as good, but less than half the price.
£80'000? Good luck with that.
HighwayStar said:
Just pointing out, not for a moment saying the taxes would make up the difference in UK price.
But y'know what, it's one of the many same things that come up every time. Why buy this when you can have that. It's too heavy, it looks the same as another car, it doesn't look different enough. Fail. You can get a 5yr old X for 1/3 the price.
If you were buying the F-Type in Denmark... you'd be shocked at the heavy mark up taxes put on the price of a car. You'd be surprised how much more you'd pay for used car over there.
Yes but why is it cheaper in the US than the UK you say. Most things are. Who knows, sadly it is the way it is. I haven't looked to see what you drive but in all likelihood your own car is cheaper to buy in the US. The bottom line on anything is you're either going to buy something or you're not.
I should've checked out your name re your car... Probably not sold in the states.
!!! I was wrong there... A3TDi are available over there, the A3 range starts at... ah maybe you don't want to know.
Haha, i wish i did still have the A3, but i have a 1-series now. But y'know what, it's one of the many same things that come up every time. Why buy this when you can have that. It's too heavy, it looks the same as another car, it doesn't look different enough. Fail. You can get a 5yr old X for 1/3 the price.
If you were buying the F-Type in Denmark... you'd be shocked at the heavy mark up taxes put on the price of a car. You'd be surprised how much more you'd pay for used car over there.
Yes but why is it cheaper in the US than the UK you say. Most things are. Who knows, sadly it is the way it is. I haven't looked to see what you drive but in all likelihood your own car is cheaper to buy in the US. The bottom line on anything is you're either going to buy something or you're not.
I should've checked out your name re your car... Probably not sold in the states.!!! I was wrong there... A3TDi are available over there, the A3 range starts at... ah maybe you don't want to know.
But yeah, i've never quite understood the difference in cost.
F Type V8 S Cabriolet - £79,950 before options -
The following rivals (all with lower performance, except XKR-S which has more power but a similar performance)
911 Carrera S Cab - £91500 before options
R8 Spyder V8 S Tronic- £103,000 before options
Aston V8 Vantage Roadster S + Sportshift - £105,000 before options
Jaguar XKRS - £97,500 before options.
The V8 then is probably pretty good value!
The V6 is more than a Boxster S but less than an SL 350, 911 Cab, Aston Roadster (420) Sportshift etc. so again, compared to key rivals it is priced accordingly for it performance and relative exclusivity.
I went to a preview last week and can honestly say that in the flesh (and pictures) this car is stunning. Yes there may be hints of other cars if you look hard enough but that can be said of most cars nowadays and anyway, Porsche have got away with building a facsimiles for years, Audi's all look generic, Aston have not moved their design on for a decade (still beautiful though).
Depreciation - it may be good, it may not be - if you are going to spend £55 - £90K on this type of car then the possible loss of a few % more than some of it's rivals should not be a first consideration - surely the enjoyment of the car is top of the list!
Cant wait to drive one - I am sure, yet again, it will be a Jag that blows away most of the competition and be another Great British success!
The following rivals (all with lower performance, except XKR-S which has more power but a similar performance)
911 Carrera S Cab - £91500 before options
R8 Spyder V8 S Tronic- £103,000 before options
Aston V8 Vantage Roadster S + Sportshift - £105,000 before options
Jaguar XKRS - £97,500 before options.
The V8 then is probably pretty good value!
The V6 is more than a Boxster S but less than an SL 350, 911 Cab, Aston Roadster (420) Sportshift etc. so again, compared to key rivals it is priced accordingly for it performance and relative exclusivity.
I went to a preview last week and can honestly say that in the flesh (and pictures) this car is stunning. Yes there may be hints of other cars if you look hard enough but that can be said of most cars nowadays and anyway, Porsche have got away with building a facsimiles for years, Audi's all look generic, Aston have not moved their design on for a decade (still beautiful though).
Depreciation - it may be good, it may not be - if you are going to spend £55 - £90K on this type of car then the possible loss of a few % more than some of it's rivals should not be a first consideration - surely the enjoyment of the car is top of the list!
Cant wait to drive one - I am sure, yet again, it will be a Jag that blows away most of the competition and be another Great British success!
andybu said:
BlueRSed, the technical reports say that the F-type uses a cut-down version of the aluminium chassis as pioneered in the last-model XJ saloon and also as used now underneath the current XJ saloon and the XK Grand Tourer.
The F-type is a bit shorter than an XK, although not by as much as you'd think and is the same chassis width. It wasn't allowed to get any narrower - 'elf and safety reasons, meaning new regulations re better passenger protection requirements in the event of a side - impact accident.
Ditto reasoning for why it's also not as light as any of us would wish....
Thanks for that info. The Health and safety argument for increase in width mystifies me, it is often quoted as a reason for cars being made wider but surely a VW Up has to meet the same crash test standards and that's a fairly narrow car. Latest Euro Ncap tests rate a Ford Fiesta and a Range Rover at the same 91% for adult occupancy so bigger ain't necessarily better!The F-type is a bit shorter than an XK, although not by as much as you'd think and is the same chassis width. It wasn't allowed to get any narrower - 'elf and safety reasons, meaning new regulations re better passenger protection requirements in the event of a side - impact accident.
Ditto reasoning for why it's also not as light as any of us would wish....
BlueRSedFly said:
Thanks for that info. The Health and safety argument for increase in width mystifies me, it is often quoted as a reason for cars being made wider but surely a VW Up has to meet the same crash test standards and that's a fairly narrow car. Latest Euro Ncap tests rate a Ford Fiesta and a Range Rover at the same 91% for adult occupancy so bigger ain't necessarily better!
I think Euro Ncap actually rate them for the size of vehicle they are so the 91% means that a Fiesta is as good in its class as a Range Rover is in the one it is categorised as. It doesn't mean that a Fiesta protects as well as a Range Rover. Happy to be corrected if I am wrong with that.andyps said:
I think Euro Ncap actually rate them for the size of vehicle they are so the 91% means that a Fiesta is as good in its class as a Range Rover is in the one it is categorised as. It doesn't mean that a Fiesta protects as well as a Range Rover. Happy to be corrected if I am wrong with that.
ooops, never realised that, cheers!Followed a black one along the A46 near Stratford at about 5:30 this evening.
Very nice car but I can confirm the brake lights are brighter than the sun! It didn't help that he was driving like a cock and was sat about a foot off the rear bumper of the car in front so making it necessary to brake every 3 seconds. I thought it was going to give me a seizure!
So, to sum up, lovely car, cock of a driver.
Very nice car but I can confirm the brake lights are brighter than the sun! It didn't help that he was driving like a cock and was sat about a foot off the rear bumper of the car in front so making it necessary to brake every 3 seconds. I thought it was going to give me a seizure!
So, to sum up, lovely car, cock of a driver.
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