RE: Dual-clutch Clio RS: the defence
Discussion
I much prefer it now it has a dual clutch box.
I just don't like clutches.
so annoying in traffic and when you aren't in the mood for hooning...
When you are having a hoon or on track, then a paddle shift box is better and faster I find...
I have 2 manual cars. ExigeS and Clio 172cup. The thing I dislike the most... the manual boxes and clutch.
I love a good flappy paddle box. I even think the SMG in my old E46 M3 wasn't that bad. Love the box in my F430. Awesome to use in any situation and great to LIVE with.
I wouldn't get another car with clutch. Unless it was a Hennessey Venom... I'd put up with a clutch for one of those!
I just don't like clutches.
so annoying in traffic and when you aren't in the mood for hooning...
When you are having a hoon or on track, then a paddle shift box is better and faster I find...
I have 2 manual cars. ExigeS and Clio 172cup. The thing I dislike the most... the manual boxes and clutch.
I love a good flappy paddle box. I even think the SMG in my old E46 M3 wasn't that bad. Love the box in my F430. Awesome to use in any situation and great to LIVE with.
I wouldn't get another car with clutch. Unless it was a Hennessey Venom... I'd put up with a clutch for one of those!
sad61t said:
The alpha-PHers want a manual, but I'm not an alpha, more an epsilon and therefore welcome the coming of the efficient auto box. After several missed changes from third to second and subsequent coasting around the corner, and needing two arms to shove the MINI's (BMW: weighted; IMO: hideously baulky) manual box into reverse I ticked the auto option plus paddles on my current MINI. I love it, and there is some (different) skill in pre-empting the auto's calculations for pulling out of a junction, overtaking and round-a-corner-up-a-hill scenarios where the AI lags by a half-second or so.
Well done, if you are joking. If you aren't, is your left arm severely withered?To the person who explains they want "speed", I seem to be able to snick a pretty dodgy Passat cable gearbox about pretty effectively, a gearbox which is never particularly precise. I find helping the clutch and gearbox by rev matching help.
Triumph Man said:
Well done, if you are joking. If you aren't, is your left arm severely withered?
To the person who explains they want "speed", I seem to be able to snick a pretty dodgy Passat cable gearbox about pretty effectively, a gearbox which is never particularly precise. I find helping the clutch and gearbox by rev matching help.
Most of what he says is tosh, but getting a Mini into reverse isn't a very nice action. Then again, none of the controls are very nice.To the person who explains they want "speed", I seem to be able to snick a pretty dodgy Passat cable gearbox about pretty effectively, a gearbox which is never particularly precise. I find helping the clutch and gearbox by rev matching help.
Krikkit said:
Triumph Man said:
Well done, if you are joking. If you aren't, is your left arm severely withered?
To the person who explains they want "speed", I seem to be able to snick a pretty dodgy Passat cable gearbox about pretty effectively, a gearbox which is never particularly precise. I find helping the clutch and gearbox by rev matching help.
Most of what he says is tosh, but getting a Mini into reverse isn't a very nice action. Then again, none of the controls are very nice.To the person who explains they want "speed", I seem to be able to snick a pretty dodgy Passat cable gearbox about pretty effectively, a gearbox which is never particularly precise. I find helping the clutch and gearbox by rev matching help.
I think within the next decade you won't be able to buy a performance car from a large manufacturer with a manual gearbox.
Even Harris said he would spec the M135i (sorry for using it as an example as every thread seems to recently) with the ZF 8 speed auto.
I have been thinking about this recently and while there is nothing better than a perfect rev matched down shift in a manual on the commute an auto is what you need. I always said I wouldn't buy an auto sports car but the new auto's are making them a more attractive propersition.
Even Harris said he would spec the M135i (sorry for using it as an example as every thread seems to recently) with the ZF 8 speed auto.
I have been thinking about this recently and while there is nothing better than a perfect rev matched down shift in a manual on the commute an auto is what you need. I always said I wouldn't buy an auto sports car but the new auto's are making them a more attractive propersition.
...and then we have a thread of people who wouldn't buy a new RS Clio anyway deriding Renault's choices to not offer their preferred gearbox. I'd suggest the "hardcore" will not be wanting what they'll regard as a soft overweight hatch anyway. Those people probably still wish for the days of having a load of levers on the steering wheel to adjust your own advance and mixture settings, and consider synchromesh gearboxes for people who can't change gear properly by themselves.
I've been really enjoying my time with my Fabia vRS - it fits what I think hot hatches should be about. Compact, practical, swift cars that can cut through city traffic or pound up the motorway but still be great fun down a twisty road. I'll take the ease of use of a dual-clutch auto (which still lets me pick exactly which gear I want, if I'm bothered) for the 90% of the time I'm just using it for transport over the supposed joys of "involvement" in the rare moments I get to drive for fun.
Having a dual-clutch gearbox promotes the RS Clio to a car that I'll seriously consider in a year or so when it's time to change. For city-dwellers (or just those that commute in traffic) the good vastly outweighs the bad IME.
I've been really enjoying my time with my Fabia vRS - it fits what I think hot hatches should be about. Compact, practical, swift cars that can cut through city traffic or pound up the motorway but still be great fun down a twisty road. I'll take the ease of use of a dual-clutch auto (which still lets me pick exactly which gear I want, if I'm bothered) for the 90% of the time I'm just using it for transport over the supposed joys of "involvement" in the rare moments I get to drive for fun.
Having a dual-clutch gearbox promotes the RS Clio to a car that I'll seriously consider in a year or so when it's time to change. For city-dwellers (or just those that commute in traffic) the good vastly outweighs the bad IME.
ambuletz said:
Long as it's reliable,efficient and does what you want when you want it I don't mind. Perhaps they should have some kind of sequential gearbox movement for the gearstick in order to keep the manual lovers somewhat happy.
It does have that too! And Ratti did say that the 'Race' mode is a true manual mode, ie, it'll run into the rev limiter if you don't shift up. Dan
The first two paragraphs of the article shows exactly why Renault's performance in the UK has become so dismal: they don't give two s
ts what UK customers want.
If they gave the slightest damn they'd be selling cars instead of withdrawing models and closing dealerships.
I'm sure the paddle-shift method IS faster but given Renault's completely hit-and-miss reliability and mentally bad residuals, if they make the car too playstation-like they'll kill the only remaining reason to buy something from RenaultSport: the fact they're still (sort of) proper, fun driver's cars (when they work).
ts what UK customers want. If they gave the slightest damn they'd be selling cars instead of withdrawing models and closing dealerships.
I'm sure the paddle-shift method IS faster but given Renault's completely hit-and-miss reliability and mentally bad residuals, if they make the car too playstation-like they'll kill the only remaining reason to buy something from RenaultSport: the fact they're still (sort of) proper, fun driver's cars (when they work).
GroundEffect said:
I would love a sequential shifter. Paddles have never done much for me but would love to be able to flat-shift by pulling on the lever.
Pity you can't rev-match downshifts on these.
Have a Stick for the sequential on my Westfield... Paddles work much better in my experience.Pity you can't rev-match downshifts on these.
Triumph Man said:
Krikkit said:
Triumph Man said:
Well done, if you are joking. If you aren't, is your left arm severely withered?
To the person who explains they want "speed", I seem to be able to snick a pretty dodgy Passat cable gearbox about pretty effectively, a gearbox which is never particularly precise. I find helping the clutch and gearbox by rev matching help.
Most of what he says is tosh, but getting a Mini into reverse isn't a very nice action. Then again, none of the controls are very nice.To the person who explains they want "speed", I seem to be able to snick a pretty dodgy Passat cable gearbox about pretty effectively, a gearbox which is never particularly precise. I find helping the clutch and gearbox by rev matching help.
Krikkit said:
Triumph Man said:
Krikkit said:
Triumph Man said:
Well done, if you are joking. If you aren't, is your left arm severely withered?
To the person who explains they want "speed", I seem to be able to snick a pretty dodgy Passat cable gearbox about pretty effectively, a gearbox which is never particularly precise. I find helping the clutch and gearbox by rev matching help.
Most of what he says is tosh, but getting a Mini into reverse isn't a very nice action. Then again, none of the controls are very nice.To the person who explains they want "speed", I seem to be able to snick a pretty dodgy Passat cable gearbox about pretty effectively, a gearbox which is never particularly precise. I find helping the clutch and gearbox by rev matching help.
It's not the gearbox Renault needs to worry about, it's the overall car, just look at the thing. Also I thought the point of the Renault Sport brand was to make cars for the enthusiast, Renault seem to completely contradict themselves on the Clio RS.
Edited by BBS-LM on Monday 4th February 11:41
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