One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2

[WD39]

Tyre Tread said:

OpulentBob said:

AstonZagato said:

Turn left = 90deg
Straight on = 180deg
Turn right = 270deg
One full circuit = 360deg
One full circuit plus a right turn = 450deg

To be fair, it is tempting to think of a one circuit as a 180deg. But it isn't.

But going straight on is a zero degree turn. Turning left is 90 degrees, or turning right is 90 degrees. Turning back on yourself is 180 degrees plus another 90 is 270.

It's Pedantic Monday!

ETA you're driving through 450 degrees of the roundabout circulatory, but you're turning through 270 degrees. You're doing a 270 deg turn, but in order to do it you need to drive on 450 degrees of circular carriageway.

I've just sketched it on the board and asked an office full of highway engineers. They all say 270 degrees.

Edited by OpulentBob on Monday 20th October 13:14

Not this again! Pack it in or we'll end up going round in circles.

Thank you PH for all your comments on the 'Roundabout Dodge'.
I don't think my friend was actually thinking about the degrees of a roundabout.Be it 180/270 or 450.
He just saw a long queue waiting for the direction he wanted to go,so decided to take the right lane (empty) and go right round the roundabout to get to his exit quicker.It definately worked.
I reckon he must have 'beaten' about twelve vehicles as he exited.

[Hol]

Blown2CV said:

Z06George said:

The driver of this GTR. It seems more and more common to get people like this at track days now.

http://www.carthrottle.com/this-nissan-gtr-owners-...

indeed however a lot of that 'slamming' commentary was quite personal, and was all of it 100% necessary? I can understand dicks like him are a nightmare on the track, but is there tuition on what you need to do to be an effective track day driver, or are you just expected to know what to do, and if you don't you're a and can be expected to find yourself thoroughly roasted like this on the Internet rather than being politely educated to one side?

Every track day I have ever been on in the last 20 odd years has an obligatory briefing where the rules on overtaking, cornering, entering/exiting the track and also what each flag means. No attendance, no track time.


You have to be a complete moron, to not understand the rules.

[Blown2CV]

Hol said:

Blown2CV said:

Z06George said:

The driver of this GTR. It seems more and more common to get people like this at track days now.

http://www.carthrottle.com/this-nissan-gtr-owners-...

indeed however a lot of that 'slamming' commentary was quite personal, and was all of it 100% necessary? I can understand dicks like him are a nightmare on the track, but is there tuition on what you need to do to be an effective track day driver, or are you just expected to know what to do, and if you don't you're a and can be expected to find yourself thoroughly roasted like this on the Internet rather than being politely educated to one side?

Every track day I have ever been on in the last 20 odd years has an obligatory briefing where the rules on overtaking, cornering, entering/exiting the track and also what each flag means. No attendance, no track time.


You have to be a complete moron, to not understand the rules.

ok fair enough, i'm not saying he's a driving god, and i know it's important as this type of behaviour can cause accidents.... but if this is illustrative of the type of slightly undignified response to a transgressor, then maybe that abrasiveness might put off novices, which may include some unrequited talent... it would certainly put me off a track day, i'd be stting myself about doing the wrong thing constantly. I'm probably not a hidden talent though admittedly.

[Hol]

Blown2CV said:

Hol said:

Blown2CV said:

Z06George said:

The driver of this GTR. It seems more and more common to get people like this at track days now.

http://www.carthrottle.com/this-nissan-gtr-owners-...

indeed however a lot of that 'slamming' commentary was quite personal, and was all of it 100% necessary? I can understand dicks like him are a nightmare on the track, but is there tuition on what you need to do to be an effective track day driver, or are you just expected to know what to do, and if you don't you're a and can be expected to find yourself thoroughly roasted like this on the Internet rather than being politely educated to one side?

Every track day I have ever been on in the last 20 odd years has an obligatory briefing where the rules on overtaking, cornering, entering/exiting the track and also what each flag means. No attendance, no track time.


You have to be a complete moron, to not understand the rules.

ok fair enough, i'm not saying he's a driving god, and i know it's important as this type of behaviour can cause accidents.... but if this is illustrative of the type of slightly undignified response to a transgressor, then maybe that abrasiveness might put off novices, which may include some unrequited talent... it would certainly put me off a track day, i'd be stting myself about doing the wrong thing constantly. I'm probably not a hidden talent though admittedly.

Idiots like him are fairly rare.
Novices have novice days or sessions to avoid people like that.
Also cars are usually grouped by performance.

[TheAllSeeingPie]

ORD said:

If it is not OK to eventually just pass in L1, what is supposed to happen? Everyone queues up behind the car in L2 or, even worse, queues up in L1?

I think you have a very reasonable point. However if I am stuck in the same situation I don't hang about on the undertake. I've had a few situations where I've just left the cruise control on and people have decided to try and pull over halfway through, so if people are going to pull that daft st I'm going to make sure I hit them as hard as possible.

[Petrus1983]

Blown2CV said:

don't know why you quoted that bit, i am not saying he would be justified in not wanting you there!

I know!I was just being lazy whilst quoting as that's the part my response was based around

[sim72]

WD39 said:

Conundrum: I was passenger in a friends car recently.At a roundabout(two lanes)he wanted to turn left.In the left lane(turn left and straight accross)was a lengthy queue and the right lane (turn right)was virtually empty.He took the right lane,went right round the roundabout,correctly indicating, and back to exit left.It certainly saved some time. But,was it strategic driving or Knobish?
He didn't cut anyone up or have to push in,in fact it was a smooth piece of driving.What do you think?

At the Catthorpe end of the A14, if you were heading for the M6 on a Friday night it used to be quicker to go down the M1 lane, follow it round, go all the way round the second roundabout, back under the bridge, all the way round the first roundabout you'd just used and into the M6 lane.

Plus there was always a fair chance you could nip into the M6 lane the first time round if someone was being dozy.

[Z06George]

Hol said:

Blown2CV said:

Hol said:

Blown2CV said:

Z06George said:

The driver of this GTR. It seems more and more common to get people like this at track days now.

http://www.carthrottle.com/this-nissan-gtr-owners-...

indeed however a lot of that 'slamming' commentary was quite personal, and was all of it 100% necessary? I can understand dicks like him are a nightmare on the track, but is there tuition on what you need to do to be an effective track day driver, or are you just expected to know what to do, and if you don't you're a and can be expected to find yourself thoroughly roasted like this on the Internet rather than being politely educated to one side?

Every track day I have ever been on in the last 20 odd years has an obligatory briefing where the rules on overtaking, cornering, entering/exiting the track and also what each flag means. No attendance, no track time.


You have to be a complete moron, to not understand the rules.

ok fair enough, i'm not saying he's a driving god, and i know it's important as this type of behaviour can cause accidents.... but if this is illustrative of the type of slightly undignified response to a transgressor, then maybe that abrasiveness might put off novices, which may include some unrequited talent... it would certainly put me off a track day, i'd be stting myself about doing the wrong thing constantly. I'm probably not a hidden talent though admittedly.

Idiots like him are fairly rare.
Novices have novice days or sessions to avoid people like that.
Also cars are usually grouped by performance.

I agree the commentary could be a little harsh, but as others have said rules and such are in the briefing. I wouldn't expect to see something that bad even on a novice day.

[iva cosworth]

Warning contains cyclist content.

A hi viz is NOT a substitute for lights.

I nearly had one off 40 minutes ago(6.30am)

He might as well have been invisible.

So don't shake your head at me cyclist casualty(probably by now)....

[Horse Pop]

Liquid Knight said:

It's nice to see a cyclist recognizing this. I always wonder if the ones without lights are cognisant of how many people are driving around with frosted/fogged windows.

[Horse Pop]

Petrus1983 said:

Walked into my local last night with my American wife (this is relevant) and new baby and asked the new landlord if they were doing anything for Halloween this year (which they have done with previous landlords successfully) - he looked at us and blankly said - "No... we're an English pub" - anyone else feels that's rather unnecessary?

Yup. Bit be11 end-ish. My local does a special pumpkin ale for halloween.

[GrumpyTwig]

Z06George said:

I agree the commentary could be a little harsh, but as others have said rules and such are in the briefing. I wouldn't expect to see something that bad even on a novice day.

It turned out, he never attended the briefing as the group he was with turned up late and somehow slid by without actually having a briefing.

/edit/ make of this what you want: http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/304793-r35-bedford-paro...

[The Don of Croy]

Last night leaving the Uckfield industrial area in nose-to-tail traffic, due to High Street roadworks (week three and counting...) when knob-man decides he can make better progress down the clear opposing lane to access the roundabout ahead and turn north (majority of queue will turn south).

All very well, until he chances upon the Joker! - salesman from Toyota garage retrieving the roadside Yaris advert car, which a kind 'queue'ist' has allowed him to enter the carriageway...

Knob-man is by now up to 30mph'ish and is unsighted - his concern is cars coming off the main drag down his carriageway, not Toyota's joining from the nearside where no road exists...

Knob-man sees him too late, swerves, catches the right front quarter and glides to a serene halt further up the road, mounting the kerb so as not to inconvenience traffic coming his way. All this in front of a 150 yards of stationery traffic with ring side seats.

No-one hurt, exchange of details, everybody goes home in their own (damaged) cars.

[Blown2CV]

GrumpyTwig said:

Z06George said:

I agree the commentary could be a little harsh, but as others have said rules and such are in the briefing. I wouldn't expect to see something that bad even on a novice day.

It turned out, he never attended the briefing as the group he was with turned up late and somehow slid by without actually having a briefing.

/edit/ make of this what you want: http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/304793-r35-bedford-paro...

i only read the first couple of pages but yea... it is st driving and the guy is a tool, but that's a really personal brutal savaging there. I'm not just playing devil's advocate here, some of it is quite shocking.

[SEE YA]

Horse Pop said:

Petrus1983 said:

Walked into my local last night with my American wife (this is relevant) and new baby and asked the new landlord if they were doing anything for Halloween this year (which they have done with previous landlords successfully) - he looked at us and blankly said - "No... we're an English pub" - anyone else feels that's rather unnecessary?

Yup. Bit be11 end-ish. My local does a special pumpkin ale for halloween.

No each to there own, we do not do Halloween either. We are English,its a American thing I tell my kids never talk to strangers Then on Halloween its fine to do it?

[The Don of Croy]

SEE YA said:

Horse Pop said:

Petrus1983 said:

Walked into my local last night with my American wife (this is relevant) and new baby and asked the new landlord if they were doing anything for Halloween this year (which they have done with previous landlords successfully) - he looked at us and blankly said - "No... we're an English pub" - anyone else feels that's rather unnecessary?

Yup. Bit be11 end-ish. My local does a special pumpkin ale for halloween.

No each to there own, we do not do Halloween either. We are English,its a American thing I tell my kids never talk to strangers Then on Halloween its fine to do it?

The awful 'trick or treat' phenomenon is about as knobbish an idea for an annual event as one can imagine...IMVHO.

[anonymous-user]

Blown2CV said:

GrumpyTwig said:

Z06George said:

I agree the commentary could be a little harsh, but as others have said rules and such are in the briefing. I wouldn't expect to see something that bad even on a novice day.

It turned out, he never attended the briefing as the group he was with turned up late and somehow slid by without actually having a briefing.

/edit/ make of this what you want: http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/304793-r35-bedford-paro...

i only read the first couple of pages but yea... it is st driving and the guy is a tool, but that's a really personal brutal savaging there. I'm not just playing devil's advocate here, some of it is quite shocking.

Keep going with it. There's photos of muscle-bound GTR drivers and implications of violence and everything. It's great.

[scarble]

The more you read the more the video seems justified
The guy posted his own video of him acting like a knob on the internet, then some nasty internet troll put some mean words on it (should we call the police?)

From the sounds of it, the group turned up late, didn't get a proper briefing then were somehow still let out and drove like utter bellends. Ok, sure it's his first time and they didn't get the briefing, but the "he doesn't know any better" excuse is tenuous when used for a child, adults are supposed to know better but I think this guy has had people making excuses for him for too long, he has shown *wilful* ignorance and disregard for the safety and property of others and deserves to be vilified for it.

I feel more sorry for the chap who had his McLaren stuffed in through yet another down the inside braking manoeuvre, got a load of abuse and aggression for it and then had aspersions cast on his character.

[Blown2CV]

yea i suppose. I've been black-flagged at karting for t-boning someone in an inside braking manoeuvre... admittedly it was a stag do rather than a serious competition, but i suspect my driving standard and aggression wouldn't stand up well to scrutiny on a track day. Admitting that on PH, it's like admitting you're gay in Texas isn't it? Actually I'd prob be too far the other day, driving like a grandma being as damage is considerably more costly with real cars.

[Liquid Knight]

Horse Pop said:

It's nice to see a cyclist recognizing this. I always wonder if the ones without lights are cognisant of how many people are driving around with frosted/fogged windows.

There are as many bad cyclists as bad drivers. I wear a yellow jacket, have blue and orange trousers, a orange and reflective bag with home made sign on the back...



...flashing rear light on my helmet, solid rear light on my seat post and flashing rear light on my mud guard, two bar mounted front lights, the left side 1700 Lumen set up as a dip on a low (600 Lumen) setting the right side 2000 Lumen main beam, standard LED front light mounted on the front of my helmet, reflective white tape on my forks, yellow tape on the side of the frame and pedal arms and red reflective tape on the rear triangle. As well as standard front, rear and wheel reflectors.

I like ride as quickly as possible weather permitting so's not to hold people up. Sadly this has an adverse effect because drivers see a cyclist, think I'm pootling along and seriously underestimate T.E.D or I have to brake to avoid hitting them as they don't look far enough ahead. "Observation" instead of "Assumption" should be taught by driving schools from day one.

As for PoB's (Pedestrians on Bikes) I give them as much stick as drivers when I see them as they are making the rest of us look like .