One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2

[Blown2CV]

Thirsty33 said:

Is what makes me think "knob", in case it wasn't clear

it was pretty obvious. Joke's been made about a zillion times across the volumes.

[Thirsty33]

Liquid Knight said:

scarble said:

presumptious?

.... Those who purely observe are probably just as bad (no offence to any IAM members). ..........

Someone who says "no offence" and then makes an inaccurate generalisation. The IAM may be a little stiff as an organisation, but it doesn't deserve that accusation.

[Thirsty33]

Blown2CV said:

Thirsty33 said:

Is what makes me think "knob", in case it wasn't clear

it was pretty obvious. Joke's been made about a zillion times across the volumes.

Oh well, wasn't going to read them all to find out.

I do think anyone who replies to such a question on such a forum comes under the term (which of course includes me) - I do wonder why we waste our time on such trivia. Especially as it usually involves getting mildly up tight about some type of person or another. Just bad for our health. So I am off. Night night.

[backwoodsman]

The quality of driving from this idiot, who then parked in the same carpark as myself.

[Europa1]

People who don't wave (daylight) or flash their headlights (darkness) to say thanks for letting them out of the side turning/through the bottleneck/into an already congested overtaking lane etc etc.

It's just politeness, what are sadly no longer "common" manners.

[Accelebrate]

Europa1 said:

flash their headlights

Since I got a car with (factory fitted) xenon headlights I'm never quite sure if people appreciate me saying thank you or not...

[yellowjack]

Europa1 said:

People who don't wave (daylight) or flash their headlights (darkness) to say thanks for letting them out of the side turning/through the bottleneck/into an already congested overtaking lane etc etc.

It's just politeness, what are sadly no longer "common" manners.

To be honest, I'd often rather people didn't faff and fuss trying to "thank you". Sometimes I'd rather they concentrate on driving, and just thank me by getting a move on.

I'll go the other way, and say "people who try to be nice and let you out when it'd be better not to".

By this, I mean people who try to let you out, but don't consider the impact it has on other drivers, or who haven't considered the fact that the opposing lane isn't stopping to let me out. Sometimes I really do appreciate it, but other times I'd rather you didn't bother, because there's too much going on to make the move a safe one.

I speak from experience, as I was driven into by a young woman recently. She'd been waiting to turn right out of a side turn, I was approaching from her right. The van in the opposing lane wanted to turn left sorry, right into the road she wanted to leave, so gestured to her to go first. Unfortunately for me, this meant she presumed it was clear to go, didn't bother checking to her right, and drove into the side of a bloody Mondeo (not exactly small) with it's headlights on (auto lights) contrasting against the dark background of overhanging trees. Frankly, it was her fault for not even looking, but the van driver's courtesy to her was a huge contributing factor to causing significant damage to my car and ruining a long planned day out in London on one of my wife's precious few days off.

Oh, and if you ever do let me out, and I don't wave, or flash my lights in thanks, sorry! But sometimes the best way of thanking someone is to boot it and get out of their way as quickly as possible, not faff about waving or flashing headlights...

edited because I couldn't tell left from right

Edited by yellowjack on Tuesday 18th November 22:36

[Europa1]

yellowjack said:

Europa1 said:

People who don't wave (daylight) or flash their headlights (darkness) to say thanks for letting them out of the side turning/through the bottleneck/into an already congested overtaking lane etc etc.

It's just politeness, what are sadly no longer "common" manners.

To be honest, I'd often rather people didn't faff and fuss trying to "thank you". Sometimes I'd rather they concentrate on driving, and just thank me by getting a move on.

I'll go the other way, and say "people who try to be nice and let you out when it'd be better not to".

By this, I mean people who try to let you out, but don't consider the impact it has on other drivers, or who haven't considered the fact that the opposing lane isn't stopping to let me out. Sometimes I really do appreciate it, but other times I'd rather you didn't bother, because there's too much going on to make the move a safe one.

I speak from experience, as I was driven into by a young woman recently. She'd been waiting to turn right out of a side turn, I was approaching from her right. The van in the opposing lane wanted to turn left into the road she wanted to leave, so gestured to her to go first. Unfortunately for me, this meant she presumed it was clear to go, didn't bother checking to her right, and drove into the side of a bloody Mondeo (not exactly small) with it's headlights on (auto lights) contrasting against the dark background of overhanging trees. Frankly, it was her fault for not even looking, but the van driver's courtesy to her was a huge contributing factor to causing significant damage to my car and ruining a long planned day out in London on one of my wife's precious few days off.

Oh, and if you ever do let me out, and I don't wave, or flash my lights in thanks, sorry! But sometimes the best way of thanking someone is to boot it and get out of their way as quickly as possible, not faff about waving or flashing headlights...

I sympathise with your situation, but that seems to have been fault of the fkwit van driver flashing to indicate she should pull out either (a) without checking properly, given his flash was an invitation for her to pull out and therefore a representation by him that was safe to do so or (b) assuming drivers coming the other way could read his f$%^ing mind. Plus the daft driver coming out of the side road apparently abdicating her responsibility to check it was safe to pull out.

I may just be horribly old fashioned, but I feel we are getting to be a much more impolite, impatient society where what used to be regarded as courtesies are now regarded as entitlements. And that makes me sad.

[Flibble]

Smart car that weaved into the centre of the road to stop me overtaking. Luckily he jumped the gun by about 2-3 seconds as I hadn't even started moving out or accelerating for an overtake at that point, what with being 2 seconds further back and thus without a clear view. He then weaved back in and I overtook promptly, only to be given main beams until I was out of sight.
All this on a straight as a die road with no turnings; clearly the most dangerous of overtaking locations.

[Cliftonite]

Accelebrate said:

Since I got a car with (factory fitted) xenon headlights I'm never quite sure if people appreciate me saying thank you or not...

I for one do NOT appreciate being flashed at close range by high-beam headlights, whatever flavour they are. Especially when I have done the miscreant a favour by yielding to its priority.

What I do, when the boot is on the other foot, is to turn dipped beam off and on again. I am not the only one who does this; it has been mentioned above. Somewhere!

[SK425]

Accelebrate said:

Since I got a car with (factory fitted) xenon headlights I'm never quite sure if people appreciate me saying thank you or not...

Not really. Appreciate the sentiment, but I'd prefer you didn't . A brief dip to sidelights would be better. At the end of the day though, I'm not going to seriously complain about someone showing some courtesy and saying thank you, even if I'd prefer they did it in a different way. That would be the height of churlishness. If I've, say, stopped before a parked car or a traffic calming chicane to let oncomers through and I fear I might be about to be on the receiving end of a well-intentioned dazzle, it's easy enough to just not look at their headlights.

[Cliftonite]

Which is exactly how Cliftonite would have put it, had he not been such a miserable old sod!

[scarble]

yellowjack said:

To be honest, I'd often rather people didn't faff and fuss trying to "thank you". Sometimes I'd rather they concentrate on driving, and just thank me by getting a move on.

This. I think yesterday, between going to and from the gym, three times I stopped to let people in or out and three times they dithered, at one point I was letting someone turn right into a side road and someone else turn out of it going left (so not against eachother) and they both just sat there till I stopped dead and held the high beams on for a couple of seconds . It's even worse when you know the longer you're waiting the more chance the queue behind you is going to block a junction.
I occasionally go with the "boot it and get out of the way" option, particularly turning into my road which is uphill, tends to get a bit leafy and grimey, quite a tight turn and often there are cars parked too close to the end of the road on both sides, so to thank someone while negotiating that is just awkward. I do feel bad for it though and hope they realise I'm doing it get out of the way quickly

Edited by scarble on Wednesday 19th November 09:03

[JakeThePeg]

To the absolute knobber this morning who forced his way out infront of me when there wasn't any space to do so, and proceed to swerve all over the road trying to block anyone from overtaking - to the point where it was actually dangerous. Absolute cock-shuffling moron.

[Swanny87]

Flibble said:

Smart car that weaved into the centre of the road to stop me overtaking. Luckily he jumped the gun by about 2-3 seconds as I hadn't even started moving out or accelerating for an overtake at that point, what with being 2 seconds further back and thus without a clear view. He then weaved back in and I overtook promptly, only to be given main beams until I was out of sight.
All this on a straight as a die road with no turnings; clearly the most dangerous of overtaking locations.

It's OK. They have to face the unbearable shame of driving a 'smart' car. When me and the Mrs went on holiday this year I made up some bullst about not being able to fit the luggage in a smart. It probably would have fitted but I lied for the simple reason that I wouldn't want to be seen dead driving one...

[masermartin]

+1 for dropping to sidelights instead of blasting high beam at close range. But, again, I don't rage at those who do bother to say thanks in that manner!

[Mr2Mike]

Liquid Knight said:

Eight months in prison for driving on to a race track.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1015284699243...

Suspended sentence, fine and a two year ban for causing death by careless driving.

Essex Police said:

A woman has been sentenced after being convicted of causing the death of a 13-year-old girl by careless driving in Stansted Mountfitchett last year.

...

Senior investigating officer Ds Dave Jones from the Essex Police Serious Collision Investigation Unit said: "Chiara Sanfilippo lost her life in tragic circumstances from which there are lessons to be learnt. The risks when overtaking a stationary bus cannot be overstated. There is a great responsibility that comes with holding a driving licence and drivers should always think about other road users, especially pedestrians. In this case Caren Klein was found to have exceeded the speed limit and failed to afford Chiara the care and attention appropriate for the circumstance. Has she done so the outcome would have been very different for all concerned and the pain and loss felt by the Sanfilippo family could so easily have been avoided.”

Interesting. A chap that used to post on a different forum got 2 1/2 years at her majesties pleasure for what sounds like a very similar incident (overtaking a buss and hitting a pedestrian).

[ORD]

Mr2Mike said:

Liquid Knight said:

Eight months in prison for driving on to a race track.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1015284699243...

Suspended sentence, fine and a two year ban for causing death by careless driving.

Essex Police said:

A woman has been sentenced after being convicted of causing the death of a 13-year-old girl by careless driving in Stansted Mountfitchett last year.

...

Senior investigating officer Ds Dave Jones from the Essex Police Serious Collision Investigation Unit said: "Chiara Sanfilippo lost her life in tragic circumstances from which there are lessons to be learnt. The risks when overtaking a stationary bus cannot be overstated. There is a great responsibility that comes with holding a driving licence and drivers should always think about other road users, especially pedestrians. In this case Caren Klein was found to have exceeded the speed limit and failed to afford Chiara the care and attention appropriate for the circumstance. Has she done so the outcome would have been very different for all concerned and the pain and loss felt by the Sanfilippo family could so easily have been avoided.”

Interesting. A chap that used to post on a different forum got 2 1/2 years at her majesties pleasure for what sounds like a very similar incident (overtaking a buss and hitting a pedestrian).

I'm not sure of the point being made. A deliberately dangerous act with no consequences can quite easily be MORE meriting of punishment that a merely careless act that very unfortunately results in severe consequences.

[scarble]

Not knowing the specifics of the case, I would like to suggest that in some cases, dbdd or dbcd can easily be due to "deliberate" acts, as in, you could deliberately tear around residential streets in the same way you can deliberately drive onto a race track, in either events any injury or fatality that results would be an unfortunate result of the behaviour rather than deliberate, but doing e.g. 70mph in a 30 with parked cars it's not "careless" you don't do it accidentally, it's entirely deliberate and if you're risking hitting kids, it's worse than driving on a race track and again if this guy had actually caused a collision the sentence would have been far worse.
But anyway, that suspended sentence is appalling. Perhaps there were aggravating factors we don't know about but on the surface, it sounds like someone got let off veery lightly.

Edited by scarble on Wednesday 19th November 18:41

[The Hypno-Toad]

Pulled up behind one of those Up!'s today. Small car so I could see in pretty clearly. The young girl driving had got an Iphone on a Sat Nav mount. Nothing wrong with that obviously, it was set almost level with her rear view mirror which is a bit odd but not illegal. However, it was not set to Sat Nav. It was quite clearly set to her Facebook profile.

As she drove off she started to scroll through it...