One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2

[pingu393]

ORD said:

... (a company) more likely to respond sensibly than the cretins that make the mess. Purely practical; no moral element.

They are a very clever company who have not very clever customers (and they know it). They don't want to kill the goose, so they will do whatever it takes to keep them coming through the front door.

Merry Christmas knobs and observers of knobs

[Liquid Knight]

pingu393 said:

They are a very clever company who have not very clever customers (and they know it).

“No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the public.” H.L. Mencken

[Blown2CV]

ORD said:

Blown2CV said:

the owner of the discarded rubbish is only partly relevant. The organisation is responsible for producing the rubbish, if not discarding it. So, it's their moral if not legal responsibility to assist with the clear-up.

Merry Christmas!

I can't see that at all. If I sell furniture, am I responsible for dealing with the old settees and chairs that people dump by the side of the road? If I sell clothes, am I responsible for clearing up the plastic bags that people carry them in and then discard? If I sell apples, should I be clearing up the apple cores by the side of the road?

It's just a convenient way of passing the buck to someone (a company) more likely to respond sensibly than the cretins that make the mess. Purely practical; no moral element.

No you've completely misunderstood. If the rubbish is already there, then it's corporate social responsibility to aid the clear up and to try and avoid it happening in future. I am not saying the world is not full of meat headed fktards who discard rubbish, and nor am I saying it's somehow not their fault. However, if no other is sorting it, the corporates should do something. They should also educate and encourage said s to be more responsible.

[ORD]

Blown2CV said:

No you've completely misunderstood. If the rubbish is already there, then it's corporate social responsibility to aid the clear up and to try and avoid it happening in future. I am not saying the world is not full of meat headed fktards who discard rubbish, and nor am I saying it's somehow not their fault. However, if no other is sorting it, the corporates should do something. They should also educate and encourage said s to be more responsible.

I understand completely and disagree. It's not the role of a private actor (real person or corporate person) to educate the public for free. They sell us goods at prices we are willing to pay- if we want them to teach us how not to be cretins, they should be able to charge for that, too.

Anyway, I nominate as Boxing Day knob the complete fknut who drove past my parent's house just now at about 100mph in a village. He'll have been lucky to have avoided a smash braking into the high street and navigating the 6 foot gap that the geriatric locals leave available.

[9mm]

ORD said:

Blown2CV said:

the owner of the discarded rubbish is only partly relevant. The organisation is responsible for producing the rubbish, if not discarding it. So, it's their moral if not legal responsibility to assist with the clear-up.

Merry Christmas!

I can't see that at all. If I sell furniture, am I responsible for dealing with the old settees and chairs that people dump by the side of the road? If I sell clothes, am I responsible for clearing up the plastic bags that people carry them in and then discard? If I sell apples, should I be clearing up the apple cores by the side of the road?

It's just a convenient way of passing the buck to someone (a company) more likely to respond sensibly than the cretins that make the mess. Purely practical; no moral element.

No, but you do have a responsibility to manufacture and distribute your furniture in a way that minimises its impact on the environment, after it has left your ownership. No different to a car manufacturer having to up their game in terms of recycling. Should you have to remove an old settee from the side of the road? Of course not. However, if millions of your products were cluttering up the streets, it shouldn't be as simple as you being able to say "I just sell 'em mate, nothing to do with me what happens to them afterwards". That's the difference between you and a global burger chain.

[Blown2CV]

ORD said:

I understand completely and disagree. It's not the role of a private actor (real person or corporate person) to educate the public for free. They sell us goods at prices we are willing to pay- if we want them to teach us how not to be cretins, they should be able to charge for that, too.

So you're saying companies and people shouldn't be responsible because this is some way is giving away something for free? Interesting stance. Kindness apparently doesn't cost nothing then.

[budfox]

ORD said:

I'm afraid that the police, as usual, have no clue about civil law.

To be honest, they don't know much about criminal law either.

[ORD]

Blown2CV said:

So you're saying companies and people shouldn't be responsible because this is some way is giving away something for free? Interesting stance. Kindness apparently doesn't cost nothing then.

I find the idea of a 'kind' company faintly ridiculous. A company is a legal fiction that exists to serve its shareholders and, incidentally, to benefit others by providing goods or services at a price that people are willing to pay.

All of the 'corporate social responsibility' stuff is silly box ticking nonsense. It's just another, and an inefficient, form of taxation - the government can't pay for x so it requires a company to provide x as part of its 'social responsibility'.

All O/T, for which I apologise.

Knob observed driving at 30mph in a land rover along A roads with a tail of 10 cars on otherwise almost empty roads. If he pulled over for 20 seconds, all of those cars could pass. Selfish and bad driving, in my view, to drive so far below the speed limit.

[Blown2CV]

You weren't saying companies trying to be responsible is a sham, you were saying companies should not be responsible.

[ORD]

Blown2CV said:

You weren't saying companies trying to be responsible is a sham, you were saying companies should not be responsible.

? There's no 'should' in it. A company isn't a moral being so cannot be subject to moral imperatives.

If you want MacD to tidy up mess, require it to do so. But that has nothing to do with MacD being 'responsible'. It's just a way of allocating a social cost to an actor able to bear that cost. No 'should' about it at that level. It's a policy decision.

Anyway, can some Land Rover drivers please come on and defend the twunt from earlier today, so that I can slag then off?

[A.J.M]

If it was a Defender, going faster is an unpleasant experience for the senses of sight, smell and hearing. So staying slow keeps you sane, your hearing in working order and you don't destroy your body as the seats are ste.

If it wasn't a Defender, he's a knob for going so slow.

Land Rover owner here.

[ORD]

A.J.M said:

If it was a Defender, going faster is an unpleasant experience for the senses of sight, smell and hearing. So staying slow keeps you sane, your hearing in working order and you don't destroy your body as the seats are ste.

If it wasn't a Defender, he's a knob for going so slow.

Land Rover owner here.

It was a Defender. I can't see any excuse for not allowing other cars past if you must drive one on the road.

[JagXJR]

Mike 820 said:

This guy driving around watching tv on his mobile presumably. Seen him a few times and finally managed to get a picture.



Full size: http://i.imgur.com/A9SQrZk.jpg

Hope you have passed this on to some gentlemen called "Bill" so they can have a chat?

[Clivey]

All of the "The law is the law" knobheads on this thread. In fact, make that anyone who claims to be a performance car enthusiast that then criticises others for a spirited drive in the countryside. Which website are we on FFS?

[Miglia 888]

[GetCarter]

Miglia 888 said:

Not forgetting:

[Miglia 888]

Almost forgot these:

[GetCarter]

Miglia 888 said:

Almost forgot these:

Ha.. I'll tell the wife (who drives the Range Rover).

[masermartin]

All the cretins on the A303 last night who seemed to think that main beams didn't affect anyone else on the road. "I shall light up all the things, and thus shall everyone verily be thankful"

My eyes, they are burning. Well, not literally, obviously ...

[csd19]

The two mouth-breathing fktards in the silver Fiesta (FG56 FAO) who decided Kingswells is a great place to dump their fag ends.

You've already been smoking in the car so it stinks anyway, so why not just put the butts in the ashtray?? Or was it a sly smoke before you got home and mummy caught you?

s.