One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2

[AdeV]

AnimalMkIV said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31036671

From the same article:

BBC said:

(Manchester) airport suspended flights for about four hours as snow ploughs worked to clear the runways.

WTF? Have they never heard of grit? And why don't they have a snowplough that's as wide as the runway, instead of fannying about with some standard road width thing?

Honestly, you'd think Manchester was some provincial st hole airport, not a major - oh, wait..... I see what I did wrong there...

[ORD]

ruff'n'smov said:

These 2 1 minute in trying to out race/skid/block and knob each other over Holme Moss pass last night.

http://youtu.be/TIq1B_vz5HI

PS I have no idea why I moved over to the right.

WTF were they doing? Idiots.

[TheAllSeeingPie]

ORD said:

ruff'n'smov said:

These 2 1 minute in trying to out race/skid/block and knob each other over Holme Moss pass last night.

http://youtu.be/TIq1B_vz5HI

PS I have no idea why I moved over to the right.

WTF were they doing? Idiots.

Lovely undetake by the evoque/sport at the end too, surely they could have waited. If I was in a van in that weather I would have been on the right too just in case a gust decided to help me test the crash barrier

Also it looks like the blue Vauxhall had fogs on too? Then again he did seem like "that sort".

[pingu393]

AdeV said:

WTF? Have they never heard of grit?

Only a complete knobhead would deliberately introduce FOD onto a runway.

[anonymous-user]

Tyre Tread said:

masermartin said:

Tyre Tread said:

I'm no road designer but wouldn't it have been easier, cheaper and safer to have moved the stop line back a few metres?

That repeater is plain stupid.

I'm no road designer either, but it looks just like every other roundabout with traffic lights that I've ever seen, and it works the same way... I don't understand?

Edit - look at it from the perspective of the traffic exiting the M3 - it's bang in front of them. https://goo.gl/maps/DqWvv

Edited by masermartin on Thursday 29th January 11:11

So it's potentially misleading for both those on the roundabout and those enterng it from the M3

The repeater - or secondary signal - is a legally required traffic sign (signals are classed as signs). If you take the design speed and 85%ile of traffic speed (not that you need to worry about 85%ile any more) then you get the distances between signals, stop lines, visibility envelope requirements, stopping sight distances etc. Remember, not all the distances and visibility splays are designed for car drivers. Some are for worst case scenarios, so 44T stopping from 60mph, etc.

Then you have to understand that you can't have a signal in the middle of the roundabout running lanes, just because it's closer to the stop line. Cars will hit it and then people will be all over internet forums saying things like, "I'm no road designer, but I'm sure they shouldn't put a traffic light post in the middle of the fast lane."

If you want to have a look at the design regs, check 'em out.
http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/dmrb/vol6/se...

Let me know which bit doesn't comply and I'll suggest to the relevant people down in Amazingstoke that it's changed.

[Europa1]

pingu393 said:

AdeV said:

WTF? Have they never heard of grit?

Only a complete knobhead would deliberately introduce FOD onto a runway.

Or use jargon like FOD.

[RobinOakapple]

Europa1 said:

pingu393 said:

AdeV said:

WTF? Have they never heard of grit?

Only a complete knobhead would deliberately introduce FOD onto a runway.

Or use jargon like FOD.

[9mm]

People in vans who start overtakes of other slow vehicles at the start of an incline. You see the move coming and just think....knob.

[AdeV]

pingu393 said:

AdeV said:

WTF? Have they never heard of grit?

Only a complete knobhead would deliberately introduce FOD onto a runway.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/147190/

OK, not quite "grit", but it seems sand is an option.

What a bunch of knobheads, eh?

[AdeV]

9mm said:

People in vans who start overtakes of other slow vehicles at the start of an incline. You see the move coming and just think....knob.

Also - people who, when a van is overtaking them, speed up just enough to prevent the manoeuvre from completing in a reasonable time. Especially when the van in question has a slightly leaky turbo and the driver is doing his damndest not to trigger limp mode by overusing boost.... DAMHIKT.

[CB2152]

The old bloke in the Peugeot 308 who, on a two lane roundabout, came from the outside lane to the inside lane, while I was in the inside lane.

I hit the brakes and sounded the horn in the hope he would not hit my front wing, but all that did was prompt him to indicate (which he wasn't before) while continuing to cut me off, as he was clearly intent on taking the 3rd exit. Fortunately he didn't hit me, must have missed by about a foot.

Didn't even acknowledge what he'd done afterwards.

[9mm]

CB2152 said:

The old bloke in the Peugeot 308 who, on a two lane roundabout, came from the outside lane to the inside lane, while I was in the inside lane.

I hit the brakes and sounded the horn in the hope he would not hit my front wing, but all that did was prompt him to indicate (which he wasn't before) while continuing to cut me off, as he was clearly intent on taking the 3rd exit. Fortunately he didn't hit me, must have missed by about a foot.

Didn't even acknowledge what he'd done afterwards.

Two types of driver who I always expect to straight line roundabouts - Range Rover drivers and old people.

[WD39]

9mm said:

CB2152 said:

The old bloke in the Peugeot 308 who, on a two lane roundabout, came from the outside lane to the inside lane, while I was in the inside lane.

I hit the brakes and sounded the horn in the hope he would not hit my front wing, but all that did was prompt him to indicate (which he wasn't before) while continuing to cut me off, as he was clearly intent on taking the 3rd exit. Fortunately he didn't hit me, must have missed by about a foot.

Didn't even acknowledge what he'd done afterwards.

Two types of driver who I always expect to straight line roundabouts - Range Rover drivers and old people.

There are many others who carry out this practice. Personal Platers, Oversize exhausters, Four up Boy Racers, Small White Vanners, Selfish Speeders,(saving time), Other Worlders, On the Phoners, Me, (in the nineties). Now, as a certified old person, I no longer indulge.

[Hooli]

9mm said:

CB2152 said:

The old bloke in the Peugeot 308 who, on a two lane roundabout, came from the outside lane to the inside lane, while I was in the inside lane.

I hit the brakes and sounded the horn in the hope he would not hit my front wing, but all that did was prompt him to indicate (which he wasn't before) while continuing to cut me off, as he was clearly intent on taking the 3rd exit. Fortunately he didn't hit me, must have missed by about a foot.

Didn't even acknowledge what he'd done afterwards.

Two types of driver who I always expect to straight line roundabouts - Range Rover drivers and old people.

The two types I expect to do it are those who've looked to see if it's clear & those who haven't looked.

[9mm]

WD39 said:

9mm said:

CB2152 said:

The old bloke in the Peugeot 308 who, on a two lane roundabout, came from the outside lane to the inside lane, while I was in the inside lane.

I hit the brakes and sounded the horn in the hope he would not hit my front wing, but all that did was prompt him to indicate (which he wasn't before) while continuing to cut me off, as he was clearly intent on taking the 3rd exit. Fortunately he didn't hit me, must have missed by about a foot.

Didn't even acknowledge what he'd done afterwards.

Two types of driver who I always expect to straight line roundabouts - Range Rover drivers and old people.

There are many others who carry out this practice. Personal Platers, Oversize exhausters, Four up Boy Racers, Small White Vanners, Selfish Speeders,(saving time), Other Worlders, On the Phoners, Me, (in the nineties). Now, as a certified old person, I no longer indulge.

There are, but I expect the two types I mentioned to do it, whereas it's just a guess whether the others will. Everyone's experience is different.

[pingu393]

AdeV said:

pingu393 said:

AdeV said:

WTF? Have they never heard of grit?

Only a complete knobhead would deliberately introduce FOD onto a runway.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/147190/

OK, not quite "grit", but it seems sand is an option.

What a bunch of knobheads, eh?

From the link, I learned...

Sand is used as a last resort and it is not a pre-emptive measure, unlike when used on the roads. It is mixed with other chemicals to make the ice/slush/snow clump into a manageable medium for the sweepers to sweep - and the runway should be swept clean before use.

Only a complete knobhead would grit a runway as a pre-emptive measure in the same way the roads are gritted.

FOD is a commonly used term when discussing airfield, much like HGV when discussing driving. I apologise, but I assumed you knew something about the subject.

[CB2152]

9mm said:

WD39 said:

9mm said:

CB2152 said:

The old bloke in the Peugeot 308 who, on a two lane roundabout, came from the outside lane to the inside lane, while I was in the inside lane.

I hit the brakes and sounded the horn in the hope he would not hit my front wing, but all that did was prompt him to indicate (which he wasn't before) while continuing to cut me off, as he was clearly intent on taking the 3rd exit. Fortunately he didn't hit me, must have missed by about a foot.

Didn't even acknowledge what he'd done afterwards.

Two types of driver who I always expect to straight line roundabouts - Range Rover drivers and old people.

There are many others who carry out this practice. Personal Platers, Oversize exhausters, Four up Boy Racers, Small White Vanners, Selfish Speeders,(saving time), Other Worlders, On the Phoners, Me, (in the nineties). Now, as a certified old person, I no longer indulge.

There are, but I expect the two types I mentioned to do it, whereas it's just a guess whether the others will. Everyone's experience is different.

Interestingly this wasn't just straight lining, this was the full blown "start in the left lane, enter roundabout, try and enter right hand lane regardless of what currently occupies it, and then take the third exit turning right."

As this superb rendering shows:

[iva cosworth]

A25,roadworks and temp traffic lights.

VW Touran goes onto other side of road WAY too early,light goes red,confusion ensues as VW Passat in front

takes a look at pulling out,Touran brakes,they both go through the red anyway.

[Toaster Pilot]

The person unable to stay on the correct side of a reasonably wide road today, clipping the wing mirror of my van going round a slight bend. I just hope your mirror is in a lot worse state than mine (it's a bit loose but it all clipped back together)

[Hackney]

I use this roundabout every day.
Every day, as I approach the roundabout from the A5109 (at the bottom of the map) I join the middle of three lanes entering the roundabout.
Every day someone in the left lane crosses the roundabout and ends up going up the A1 and immediately take the A5109 to the right.

And, every night I join the middle lane coming down the A1 to go straight over.
The left lane is a left only continuing down the A1 and has a concrete central reservation.
The right lane is right turn to the A41

Every night at least one car overtakes me on the right, squeezes in and takes the left down the A1 from the roundabout, rather than take the specific slip road.
And every night 2 or 3 cars enter the roundabout in the right lane and try to squeeze into the single lane exit to straight down the A5109

Why in gods name can't people get in the lane they need to be in before the roundabout.
Oh yes, I remember now, it's because they're all c***s!

(as is the Civic driver who pulled out in front of me from a side street, shouted at me when we got to traffic lights and then didn't move when the lights changed. He also pipped and flashed his lights when I changed lanes in front of him with an indication and plenty of space.... this is a deciding factor in my upcoming dashcam purchase, just in case a t**t like this actually hits me)