One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2

One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2

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ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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percymk4 said:
People who can't just accept they were in the wrong and apologise.

Me, on my way to a night-shift, driving through my village with parking spaces either side of the road, taxi parked up on the right and a car coming the opposite way waiting for me to pass so as he could get through.

Suddenly said knob decides to shoot out of his space on the right (behind the taxi) in reverse. He fails to see me and forces me to stop and use horn to show him I'm there.

He stops, glares for a few seconds, and mouths something like "fk off". So I put the window down and ask him if he could move forward so I (and the car behind me) could get past. He then puts his window down and asks: "what the fk is your problem?"
"You nearly hit my car"
"what?"
"you nearly hit my car"
"..."
"Can I get past then?"
"Better hope I don't see you around here again mate"
"aye ok"

He then follows me out the village, right up my arse with the full beams on his diesel A3 blazing away.

If he'd have held his hands up in a "sorry for the mistake" way then it would've been a non event, rather than going straight for the aggressive "I'm right and fk everyone else" attitude that seems to be what you find a lot of on the roads now.

Knob.
Roughly 95% of drivers never make mistakes or need a favour or need to apologise (in their heads).

Ahimoth

230 posts

112 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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It's an interesting thing, because most of us don't generally behave like that. It's not a new insight to say that there's something different going on psychologically with the car.

That said, going on the counter-attack regardless of circumstance is rather too frequent with some.

Anyway, for my contribution, it's the driver who doesn't care or seem competent. The other day I had a people carrier right up my arse on a road with few overtaking opportunities and lots of 30/40 sections. They were slipping behind in NSL, but not enough of it to put a decent distance between me and them so I pulled off into a petrol station as I might as well get some petrol. They pulled in too, so I was wondering what offence they were going to have a go at me over.

They went to the cash point instead, and I let them pull away first. They then proceeded to tailgate the next car until it turned off. And then drove slower than they had been when they were tailgating me or that car, suggesting that tailgating is just something they do when there is a car in front. Missing rear lights, brake lights too. It's a minor thing, but it seems like mindlessness to me, and that's worrying.

scarble

5,277 posts

156 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Jim AK said:
AdeV said:
Seriously, just admit that you made a bad knob call based on insufficient knowledge and we'll move on, instead of trying to twist the scenario around until you've "won".
Still don't think driving that van on a motorway is very bright though.
I agree. Seems almost knobbish to me.

AdeV

621 posts

283 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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scarble said:
Jim AK said:
AdeV said:
Seriously, just admit that you made a bad knob call based on insufficient knowledge and we'll move on, instead of trying to twist the scenario around until you've "won".
Still don't think driving that van on a motorway is very bright though.
I agree. Seems almost knobbish to me.
Why? It can keep up with most motorway traffic. The problem is a tiny air leak in the manifold, it's not like it's about to explode, shed oil all over the motorway, or anything spectacular like that.

Cliftonite

8,406 posts

137 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Road designers again:

Speed bump starting from the gutter on a steep camber, anyone?



Full story (from which picture was taken):

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11764270.OUCHThat_s_going_to_be_costly__Steep_speed_bump_causing_damage_to_vehicles/?ref=eb




TheFinners

543 posts

126 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Cliftonite said:
Road designers again:

Speed bump starting from the gutter on a steep camber, anyone?



Full story (from which picture was taken):

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11764270.OUCHThat_s_going_to_be_costly__Steep_speed_bump_causing_damage_to_vehicles/?ref=eb
Wouldn't expect anything less in the eco nazi run dictatorship that is Brighton!

TheAllSeeingPie

865 posts

134 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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TheFinners said:
Cliftonite said:
Road designers again:

Speed bump starting from the gutter on a steep camber, anyone?



Full story (from which picture was taken):

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11764270.OUCHThat_s_going_to_be_costly__Steep_speed_bump_causing_damage_to_vehicles/?ref=eb
Wouldn't expect anything less in the eco nazi run dictatorship that is Brighton!
While I don't agree with that mental speed hump, if cars are making a "thwacking" sound it means they are going far to fast for the hump, which would indicate they aren't paying attention. A "scraping" sound would happen if you went over it at sensible speeds in a lowish car.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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TheAllSeeingPie said:
TheFinners said:
Cliftonite said:
Road designers again:

Speed bump starting from the gutter on a steep camber, anyone?



Full story (from which picture was taken):

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11764270.OUCHThat_s_going_to_be_costly__Steep_speed_bump_causing_damage_to_vehicles/?ref=eb
Wouldn't expect anything less in the eco nazi run dictatorship that is Brighton!
While I don't agree with that mental speed hump, if cars are making a "thwacking" sound it means they are going far to fast for the hump, which would indicate they aren't paying attention. A "scraping" sound would happen if you went over it at sensible speeds in a lowish car.
The "speed hump" also looks like a ped crossing table, which has to be on the desire line. If it's away from the desire line then they will be subject to the unwashed armchair experts accusing them of deliberately trying to kill pedesterons (sic) or wasting money etc. Have a google of LTN 1/95 and LTN 2/95 and digest, and you'll maybe understand a bit more. Wonder if there's also an issue with that junction of people not stopping in time and "shooting" out of the junction, like the photo of the car in the news article.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

TheAllSeeingPie

865 posts

134 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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OpulentBob]Have a google of LTN 1/95 and LTN 2/95 [b said:
and digest, and you'll maybe understand a bit more.[b]
Condescension aside, that bump is mental due to the fact it's obviously at a too steep an angle. I didn't mention anything about the placement or desire lines or indeed do I care.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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TheAllSeeingPie said:
Condescension aside, that bump is mental due to the fact it's obviously at a too steep an angle. I didn't mention anything about the placement or desire lines or indeed do I care.
It is a deliberate attempt to damage motorists' cars. I would sue the living crap out of the council if it damaged my car.

Are people going to be speeding pulling into a junction?! Get real.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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TheAllSeeingPie said:
OpulentBob]Have a google of LTN 1/95 and LTN 2/95 [b said:
and digest, and you'll maybe understand a bit more.[b]
Condescension aside, that bump is mental due to the fact it's obviously at a too steep an angle. I didn't mention anything about the placement or desire lines or indeed do I care.
Easy tiger. It wasn't aimed at you. In fact I agree with what you wrote. Its so the knee-jerkers can do a little research and consider other possibilities rather than immediately come out with "deliberately trying to damage my car", "won't be happy until someone's dead", etc.

smile



Edited by OpulentBob on Monday 2nd February 13:48

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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ORD said:
TheAllSeeingPie said:
Condescension aside, that bump is mental due to the fact it's obviously at a too steep an angle. I didn't mention anything about the placement or desire lines or indeed do I care.
It is a deliberate attempt to damage motorists' cars. I would sue the living crap out of the council if it damaged my car.

Are people going to be speeding pulling into a junction?! Get real.
rofl

And cameras are for revenue, and if you flash your headlights at traffic signals they'll change to green, and supermarkets sell cheap petrol because it's watered down...

Paranoia, paranoia, everybody's coming to get me... music

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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OpulentBob said:
ORD said:
TheAllSeeingPie said:
Condescension aside, that bump is mental due to the fact it's obviously at a too steep an angle. I didn't mention anything about the placement or desire lines or indeed do I care.
It is a deliberate attempt to damage motorists' cars. I would sue the living crap out of the council if it damaged my car.

Are people going to be speeding pulling into a junction?! Get real.
rofl

And cameras are for revenue, and if you flash your headlights at traffic signals they'll change to green, and supermarkets sell cheap petrol because it's watered down...

Paranoia, paranoia, everybody's coming to get me... music
OK, riddle me this: what speeding problem is it resolving? People speeding in 1st gear while turning into a side road? Also, how on Earth could anyone not expect it to damage cars?

(I may be going slightly OTT, but I am thoroughly sick of speed bumps. I think they are the stupidest traffic calming measure imaginable.)

grayze

790 posts

167 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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MarkRSi said:
People who don't hesitate to pull out in front of you, but then engage maximum dithering mode by driving extremely slowly like an extremely fat person waddling down a path taking up the entire width, blissfully unaware of the world around them banghead
Don't worry, they are turning right in 100 yards.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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ORD said:
OpulentBob said:
ORD said:
TheAllSeeingPie said:
Condescension aside, that bump is mental due to the fact it's obviously at a too steep an angle. I didn't mention anything about the placement or desire lines or indeed do I care.
It is a deliberate attempt to damage motorists' cars. I would sue the living crap out of the council if it damaged my car.

Are people going to be speeding pulling into a junction?! Get real.
rofl

And cameras are for revenue, and if you flash your headlights at traffic signals they'll change to green, and supermarkets sell cheap petrol because it's watered down...

Paranoia, paranoia, everybody's coming to get me... music
OK, riddle me this: what speeding problem is it resolving? People speeding in 1st gear while turning into a side road? Also, how on Earth could anyone not expect it to damage cars?

(I may be going slightly OTT, but I am thoroughly sick of speed bumps. I think they are the stupidest traffic calming measure imaginable.)
They (humps) are gradually being phased out, they are getting less and less popular as the years go by. There's lots of reasons not to use them, and in the last 2 years, the DFT have allowed signs and road markings to be used as "traffic calming measures" as well as the more common hard engineering.

Disclaimer: My knowledge of that situation above is entirely provided by the (heavily biased) news article and half a photo. I've never been there nor do I know anyone there!

However, in my experience, that is not a speed hump as much as a ped crossing table. It's meant to provide a more "shared" space on a heavily used footway, to give peds an easier and more obvious place to cross a side road, and to raise awareness to approaching drivers (on the side road). The table has to be at the same level as the footway, because of DDA regs (nothing to do with the highways designers wanting anything in particular). I would imagine, although I cannot see in the newspaper article, that the speed hump also has a drainage facility across the road on the high side. There may well be an historical problem of the road at the bottom of the hill flooding, there could be any number of reasons.

It's not meant to slow cars heading in to the side road from the main road, although turning vehicles will have slowed sufficiently that it shouldn't ever be a problem.

The article calling it a speed hump is misleading. The local authority "spokesman" hasn't done the dept any favours either.

All in my opinion.

https://goo.gl/maps/lnl3C (An example of a more standard installation)

TheAllSeeingPie

865 posts

134 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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OpulentBob said:
Easy tiger. It wasn't aimed at you. In fact I agree with what you wrote. Its so the knee-jerkers can do a little research and consider other possibilities rather than immediately come out with "deliberately trying to damage my car", "won't be happy until someone's dead", etc.

smile
Edited by OpulentBob on Monday 2nd February 13:48
Aah sorry I confused your use of "you" with the "some people" that you probably meant? Nevermind, it was quite interesting reading that you posted, although a little dry. I feel sorry for the people who have to create these hump/table/bump/thingamybobs now, seems like whatever they do it'll be wrong.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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OpulentBob said:
They (humps) are gradually being phased out, they are getting less and less popular as the years go by. There's lots of reasons not to use them, and in the last 2 years, the DFT have allowed signs and road markings to be used as "traffic calming measures" as well as the more common hard engineering.

Disclaimer: My knowledge of that situation above is entirely provided by the (heavily biased) news article and half a photo. I've never been there nor do I know anyone there!

However, in my experience, that is not a speed hump as much as a ped crossing table. It's meant to provide a more "shared" space on a heavily used footway, to give peds an easier and more obvious place to cross a side road, and to raise awareness to approaching drivers (on the side road). The table has to be at the same level as the footway, because of DDA regs (nothing to do with the highways designers wanting anything in particular). I would imagine, although I cannot see in the newspaper article, that the speed hump also has a drainage facility across the road on the high side. There may well be an historical problem of the road at the bottom of the hill flooding, there could be any number of reasons.

It's not meant to slow cars heading in to the side road from the main road, although turning vehicles will have slowed sufficiently that it shouldn't ever be a problem.

The article calling it a speed hump is misleading. The local authority "spokesman" hasn't done the dept any favours either.

All in my opinion.

https://goo.gl/maps/lnl3C (An example of a more standard installation)
beer Thank you for the detailed response.

I think living in London has completely poisoned me towards speed bumps. I imagine that they have an unbelievably awful score on any cost-benefit analysis.

Without the bump, I pootle along at 30mph or 20mph using almost no fuel and causing almost no pollution.

With the bump, I brake down from 30mph or 20mph to 10mph and then accelerate back to 30 or 20 and start the cycle again - lots of fuel used, lots of emissions, lots of brake dust and lots of wear to my suspension components.

Just fit a fecking speed camera if there is a problem!

irocfan

40,153 posts

189 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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ORD said:
Are people going to be speeding pulling into a junction?! Get real.
errrm given some of the driving witnessed on this very thread I'd say it was a distinct possibility!!

MarkRSi

5,782 posts

217 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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grayze said:
MarkRSi said:
People who don't hesitate to pull out in front of you, but then engage maximum dithering mode by driving extremely slowly like an extremely fat person waddling down a path taking up the entire width, blissfully unaware of the world around them banghead
Don't worry, they are turning right in 100 yards.
That actually happened yesterday as well rofl except it was about 50 yards ragebanghead

Luckily the road was very wide so was able to pass on the inside despite the small hatchback's best attempt at sitting in the middle of the lane/late indication etc.

MarkRSi

5,782 posts

217 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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irocfan said:
ORD said:
Are people going to be speeding pulling into a junction?! Get real.
errrm given some of the driving witnessed on this very thread I'd say it was a distinct possibility!!
Yep yesfrown

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