One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2
Discussion
Brigand said:
Walking home this morning I heard a loud scraping noise coming towards me on the road. Moments later a Peugeot estate of some kind comes driving past, with the front number plate hanging on with only one screw, so the plate had bent under the front of the car and was scraping along.
Not the biggest misdemeanor but how the driver and his passenger did not realise what was causing the racket I'll never know...
Told this tale before, but late afternoon, middle of the city. I'm sat waiting for child by the main road. Down in comes a woman in slow moving traffic. I can hear thump, thump, thump as she slowly crawls along and I look up to see a very dead pheasant lodged within her bodywork kind of between the wheel so that with every rotation it's body slaps loudly on the side of the car. She was completely oblivious. Despite many pedestrians waving and trying to attract her attention she had firm grip on the wheel and stared ahead.Not the biggest misdemeanor but how the driver and his passenger did not realise what was causing the racket I'll never know...
What baffled me was she was at least 5 miles from any open countryside where you'd expect to hit a pheasant so how she managed to hit the thing and not realise and then drive for that distance without noticing the bloody loud banging is amazing.
Thought knob, and thought it was strange.
Coming left from the junction, as we get up to where it's 3 lanes wide, car behind pulls out (nothing strange thus far) overtakes me and then pulls in infront of me? Then tailgates the car infront...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.432133,-2.606475...
Coming left from the junction, as we get up to where it's 3 lanes wide, car behind pulls out (nothing strange thus far) overtakes me and then pulls in infront of me? Then tailgates the car infront...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.432133,-2.606475...
yellowjack said:
Right. I need to vent.
And rightly so, what a bunch of knobtards. And it's sad that someone died; but, did the emergency services really need to close two entire motorways for SIX HOURS, for a single vehicle crash? Chances are the thing will be on CCTV, so surely that + the car, plus some photos of the scene, are all the police need to work out who to prosecute?AdeV said:
yellowjack said:
Right. I need to vent.
And rightly so, what a bunch of knobtards. And it's sad that someone died; but, did the emergency services really need to close two entire motorways for SIX HOURS, for a single vehicle crash? Chances are the thing will be on CCTV, so surely that + the car, plus some photos of the scene, are all the police need to work out who to prosecute?Then you can have a truly justifiable moan if they come back and admit that they do it on purpose just to upset people like yourself.
http://www.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/Police-explain-...
Article said:
On arriving at the scene, the first action taken is to secure the scene and close the road.
This is to ensure a safe working environment for all agencies at the scene, including those that may be giving first aid to those who are injured.
The closure also secures any evidence available that will be used to determine the cause of the collision at a later date, whether it be for the coroners court or a future prosecution.
Once the scene is closed, it will be assessed and if any of it can be reopened, it will be. Failing that, the police and partner agencies will work together to put suitable detours in place.
When the road closures are in place, there are numerous agencies at the scene that work together in the first instance.
Ambulance service personnel will be treating the casualties, often with the assistance of the fire service that help in removing those who are injured or have died from vehicles and also make sure that the vehicles involved are made as safe as possible.
This in itself can take a long period of time as the wellbeing of any casualties is a priority over and above anything else. Due to the nature of these collisions, this part of the incident can often take over an hour.
Once the initial stages of the incident have been completed, and any victims have been treated, then we will begin to gather as much evidence as possible.
This starts with trying to confirm the identity of anyone who has died and also to search the surrounding areas to make sure nobody has been thrown from the vehicle.
The identity of the deceased is particularly important as we need to contact the next of kin as soon as possible.
A family liaison officer will be appointed, who will inform the family of the loss. The family liaison officer will often attend the scene of the collision before anything is moved so they can be as best informed as possible before attending the family's address.
This helps put them in a position to answer the many questions they may have.
Once this has been done, an undertaker will be called to remove anyone who has died to a place of rest.
While all this is going on, a specially trained officer known as a collision investigator will already have started working on the scene. This officer's role is time consuming, but vital to the investigation.
They visually record the scene and conduct a computerised survey – plotting marks, debris and any other relevant evidence they find.
The time they take will depend on the size of the scene.
They cannot be rushed as it is their responsibility to reproduce the scene at a later date and assist the courts in determining a reason for the collision.
When this vital part of the investigation has been completed, police will arrange for the vehicle to be recovered. This again can take some time, as the vehicles can not be just winched onto the back of lorry; they need to be recovered in such a way that preserves them in the same condition they were when they came to rest after the collision, for future examinations.
Clearly if the collision involves multiple vehicles or HGVs, this will take considerably longer.
Once the vehicles have been recovered and evidence secured, the scene needs to be cleaned. This will involve removing any debris caused as a result of the collision.
Sometimes, due to the nature of the collisions, this will involve specialist cleaning companies that may have to travel some distance.
After this, any damage caused will be repaired by the relevant agencies. The road can not be reopened until these repairs have been made and the road and road furniture is considered safe.
What I have stated above is a very basic guide to what actions are undertaken at a collision of this type. Often each procedure will have to wait until the proceeding one has been completed.
To the passing motorist, it may appear that police are just standing about. I can assure you that this is not the case and that everybody at the scene is performing an important role.
It is vital that as much evidence that can be obtained at the scene is. The police and partner agencies have a duty to secure the evidence and produce to the relevant court at a later date.
More importantly, the families of the deceased or serious injured deserve answers to their questions.
I can understand the frustration and inconvenience caused to many road users but I would ask them one very simple question: If it was your loved one involved, would you want answers or would you prefer the police to take a few photographs and reopen the road so you can get to work on time?
This is to ensure a safe working environment for all agencies at the scene, including those that may be giving first aid to those who are injured.
The closure also secures any evidence available that will be used to determine the cause of the collision at a later date, whether it be for the coroners court or a future prosecution.
Once the scene is closed, it will be assessed and if any of it can be reopened, it will be. Failing that, the police and partner agencies will work together to put suitable detours in place.
When the road closures are in place, there are numerous agencies at the scene that work together in the first instance.
Ambulance service personnel will be treating the casualties, often with the assistance of the fire service that help in removing those who are injured or have died from vehicles and also make sure that the vehicles involved are made as safe as possible.
This in itself can take a long period of time as the wellbeing of any casualties is a priority over and above anything else. Due to the nature of these collisions, this part of the incident can often take over an hour.
Once the initial stages of the incident have been completed, and any victims have been treated, then we will begin to gather as much evidence as possible.
This starts with trying to confirm the identity of anyone who has died and also to search the surrounding areas to make sure nobody has been thrown from the vehicle.
The identity of the deceased is particularly important as we need to contact the next of kin as soon as possible.
A family liaison officer will be appointed, who will inform the family of the loss. The family liaison officer will often attend the scene of the collision before anything is moved so they can be as best informed as possible before attending the family's address.
This helps put them in a position to answer the many questions they may have.
Once this has been done, an undertaker will be called to remove anyone who has died to a place of rest.
While all this is going on, a specially trained officer known as a collision investigator will already have started working on the scene. This officer's role is time consuming, but vital to the investigation.
They visually record the scene and conduct a computerised survey – plotting marks, debris and any other relevant evidence they find.
The time they take will depend on the size of the scene.
They cannot be rushed as it is their responsibility to reproduce the scene at a later date and assist the courts in determining a reason for the collision.
When this vital part of the investigation has been completed, police will arrange for the vehicle to be recovered. This again can take some time, as the vehicles can not be just winched onto the back of lorry; they need to be recovered in such a way that preserves them in the same condition they were when they came to rest after the collision, for future examinations.
Clearly if the collision involves multiple vehicles or HGVs, this will take considerably longer.
Once the vehicles have been recovered and evidence secured, the scene needs to be cleaned. This will involve removing any debris caused as a result of the collision.
Sometimes, due to the nature of the collisions, this will involve specialist cleaning companies that may have to travel some distance.
After this, any damage caused will be repaired by the relevant agencies. The road can not be reopened until these repairs have been made and the road and road furniture is considered safe.
What I have stated above is a very basic guide to what actions are undertaken at a collision of this type. Often each procedure will have to wait until the proceeding one has been completed.
To the passing motorist, it may appear that police are just standing about. I can assure you that this is not the case and that everybody at the scene is performing an important role.
It is vital that as much evidence that can be obtained at the scene is. The police and partner agencies have a duty to secure the evidence and produce to the relevant court at a later date.
More importantly, the families of the deceased or serious injured deserve answers to their questions.
I can understand the frustration and inconvenience caused to many road users but I would ask them one very simple question: If it was your loved one involved, would you want answers or would you prefer the police to take a few photographs and reopen the road so you can get to work on time?
Whilst it was rather windy yesterday am, it was quite sunny in Bracknell, and the normal back up of traffic on the A3095 heading towards Twin Bridges roundabout, being subjected to Bracknells finest traffic planners plan of getting people back on foot.
however i was really getting annoyed by the female in the car behind who had her wipers on. After 10 mins of being wound up by this in the rear view mirror, i had to shift it so i couldn't see the damn things
Now a rear wiper i can understand, but your front ones.... and she has a licence to drive ( or perhaps not)
however i was really getting annoyed by the female in the car behind who had her wipers on. After 10 mins of being wound up by this in the rear view mirror, i had to shift it so i couldn't see the damn things
Now a rear wiper i can understand, but your front ones.... and she has a licence to drive ( or perhaps not)
walm said:
Absolutely. Well said Hol.
Sure 6 hours is a long time but jesus christ SOMEBODY DIED.
I use the train a lot these days and you wouldn't believe the comments from people who get held up for 10 mins on their way home because some poor sod got hit by a train (often suicide).
Not saying it was the case because I don't know but for arguments sake say the deceased was driving badly and that was the cause of the crash. I have no problem whatsoever with these people removing themselves from the road as it's then a safer environment for everyone else.Sure 6 hours is a long time but jesus christ SOMEBODY DIED.
I use the train a lot these days and you wouldn't believe the comments from people who get held up for 10 mins on their way home because some poor sod got hit by a train (often suicide).
Halmyre said:
Brigand said:
Walking home this morning I heard a loud scraping noise coming towards me on the road. Moments later a Peugeot estate of some kind comes driving past, with the front number plate hanging on with only one screw, so the plate had bent under the front of the car and was scraping along.
Not the biggest misdemeanor but how the driver and his passenger did not realise what was causing the racket I'll never know...
Listening to bangin' choonz? Although a Pug estate is an unlikely mode of transport for such types.Not the biggest misdemeanor but how the driver and his passenger did not realise what was causing the racket I'll never know...
yellowjack said:
... two cars back, a fully lit up marked BMW 5 Series is trying to get through to attend the incident. Only he can't, because three cars are stuck alongside two trucks, while truck No 3 plays the "deliberately hold the cars up" game, presumably to teach the Xsara Picasso ahead of me a lesson for tailgating the truck and frantically flashing his high beams. Look in your mirrors a bit harder, f
knuts, and you might have realised that we were ALL flashing our headlights at you because all three of us stuck behind you were trying to get out of the way of the Police car.
If the quickest way to let the police pass is to slow down and drop in behind in L2 then why wouldn't you do that?knuts, and you might have realised that we were ALL flashing our headlights at you because all three of us stuck behind you were trying to get out of the way of the Police car.Hol said:
Hol said:
I can understand the frustration and inconvenience caused to many road users but I would ask them one very simple question: If it was your loved one involved, would you want answers or would you prefer the police to take a few photographs and reopen the road so you can get to work on time?
Ah, yes, that old chestnut. Sure, if I'm held up getting to work, I'm not really going to care that much, am I? But how about those people who were rushing home to see a dying close relative for the last time (statistically, out of the tens of thousands of people caught up in the closures, someone will have lost a relative)? How many people missed their flights? How many people failed to get to an interview on time, thus not getting a job, thus relying on benefits and/or starving some time later? Yes, someone died, but this is not a crime scene. It's not a murder. It's a single vehicle accident in which the victim perished. No-one else appears to have been affected, so six hours seems to be a wholly unnecessary length of time to take to determine this.
walm said:
Sure 6 hours is a long time but jesus christ SOMEBODY DIED.
One thousand and sixty* people DIED in this country between the time I posted, and the time you posted.People die ALL OF THE TIME.
This was a tragic single-vehicle accident, not a murder, or a manslaughter, or some strange mystery.
- On average, 1061 people die every hour in the UK based on 2012 mortality rates
AdeV said:
On average, 1061 people die every hour in the UK based on 2012 mortality rates
While I might have some respect for your utter callousness, your mathematics leaves something to be desired.A whole lot fewer than 9 MILLION people died in 2012. (24*365*1016=c.9.3m)
In England and Wales it was in fact 499,331. http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_331565.pdf
So roughly 57 per hour.
But sod it... how dare they inconvenience you.
AdeV said:
Ah, yes, that old chestnut. Sure, if I'm held up getting to work, I'm not really going to care that much, am I? But how about those people who were rushing home to see a dying close relative for the last time (statistically, out of the tens of thousands of people caught up in the closures, someone will have lost a relative)? How many people missed their flights? How many people failed to get to an interview on time, thus not getting a job, thus relying on benefits and/or starving some time later?
Yes, someone died, but this is not a crime scene. It's not a murder. It's a single vehicle accident in which the victim perished. No-one else appears to have been affected, so six hours seems to be a wholly unnecessary length of time to take to determine this.
No it isn't a murder, but it could be a murder, and an investigation is required to determine exactly what happened. That does and will always take a significant amount of time.Yes, someone died, but this is not a crime scene. It's not a murder. It's a single vehicle accident in which the victim perished. No-one else appears to have been affected, so six hours seems to be a wholly unnecessary length of time to take to determine this.
It's inconvenient for those affected, but that's the price you pay for having your death investigated and not just waved away as "oh well he's dead already, f
k it".ETA: Reading again you acknowledge this but challenge the time. I have to admit that I don't feel very well qualified to judge that, and as I tend not to assume that everyone else is incompetent would give the professionals who dealt with it the benefit of the doubt.
Edited by tomjol on Wednesday 1st April 16:44
AdeV said:
Yes, someone died, but this is not a crime scene. It's not a murder. It's a single vehicle accident in which the victim perished. No-one else appears to have been affected, so six hours seems to be a wholly unnecessary length of time to take to determine this.
But you don't know that until the investigation has been completed. Which requires that as much evidence is collected as possible. Think of all that involves - recording the placement of debris, skid marks, damage to furniture - all the necessary recordings to determine exactly how an accident played out. I'd say being able to record all that information to a standard acceptable for a full investigation, in no more than 6 hours, then ensuring the road is safe to reopen, is doing pretty well.Edited by Conscript on Wednesday 1st April 16:55
Riktoid said:
Whilst trying not to sound like a callous bd, the people who close the roads and carry out the investigations etc are extremely thorough because their existance, (in a professional capacity), depends on them 'creating' work for themselves from tragic accidents.
You mean they go round causing people to crash?d, the people who close the roads and carry out the investigations etc are extremely thorough because their existance, (in a professional capacity), depends on them 'creating' work for themselves from tragic accidents.If they filmed those crashes they could get Jake Gyllenhaal to star in a movie about their heinous life.
I suspect they are thorough because:
1. In a single car accident, the manufacturer might be to blame and if it's a serious defect it might cause a recall and compensation obviously.
2. In a multi-vehicle accident, blame might send someone to prison.
I am sure if you were up on a "causing death by dangerous driving charge" you wouldn't mind the investigator ignoring the skid-marks and just opening the road because a few people were late for work.
Riktoid said:
Whilst trying not to sound like a callous bd, the people who close the roads and carry out the investigations etc are extremely thorough because their existance, (in a professional capacity), depends on them 'creating' work for themselves from tragic accidents.
If you get my point.
Yeah!d, the people who close the roads and carry out the investigations etc are extremely thorough because their existance, (in a professional capacity), depends on them 'creating' work for themselves from tragic accidents.If you get my point.
They're all at it, bloody public sector. Fire brigade taking a petrol tank to keep things burning. Police planting evidence to nick more crims. Ambulance drivers knocking over old ladies so they have an excuse to put the blues and twos on.
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