RE: Spotted: Mercedes-Benz SL60 AMG
Discussion
The Spruce goose said:
I think this is a pinnacle car never to be reproduced again. A car I have always wanted. it represents so much in Mercedes history, where boundaries were pushed.
Up until I owned my lowly W124 I would have agreed with the other posters that this is far too expensive for the bhp, too unsporty and so on but now I realise this generation of mercs are like an old country house - on the spec sheet, it's inefficient, has few gadgets and doesn't deliver compared to more modern offerings. But all of the mercs of this era are so different in 'feel' to modern cars they don't compare. Another plus is that you are unlikely to see any depreciation- cheap motoring!
I'm considering getting a SL60, but I think 25k is a bit too expensive for that considering it sold for 14k just a few months ago. I have a R129 300SL which has been giving me plenty of problems since I got it, but would love to get an AMG and one which I can keep forever. The SL73 is a tad over priced too imo and definately would be a "keeper" if I could justify the price for it.
There can't be that many SL60's RHD in the uk now I guess; how do those who have them find them? Do they come on the open market or are there clubs etc...
There can't be that many SL60's RHD in the uk now I guess; how do those who have them find them? Do they come on the open market or are there clubs etc...
'Try getting a good one for £6K' Well, my 1990 500SL has ~85K on the clock with a full service history from MB & respected indies. I am the second owner. I have sheafs of bills & have kept up to the bodywork as required, using the MB bodyshop. I would expect to get ~£7K for it if sold privately in late spring, but right now I realise I would be lucky to get £5K for it at auction. The MB club posts auction results in its monthly magazine, & these figures are the going rate.
Ive got a 1st Jan 1990 500sl as well. what colour is yours?
blartbox said:
'Try getting a good one for £6K' Well, my 1990 500SL has ~85K on the clock with a full service history from MB & respected indies. I am the second owner. I have sheafs of bills & have kept up to the bodywork as required, using the MB bodyshop. I would expect to get ~£7K for it if sold privately in late spring, but right now I realise I would be lucky to get £5K for it at auction. The MB club posts auction results in its monthly magazine, & these figures are the going rate.
blartbox said:
'Try getting a good one for £6K' Well, my 1990 500SL has ~85K on the clock with a full service history from MB & respected indies. I am the second owner. I have sheafs of bills & have kept up to the bodywork as required, using the MB bodyshop. I would expect to get ~£7K for it if sold privately in late spring, but right now I realise I would be lucky to get £5K for it at auction. The MB club posts auction results in its monthly magazine, & these figures are the going rate.
Sorry, I was referring to the post 96 models and I specifically wanted a 96-98 model for the engine/gearbox combination. I found older models tended to age better. Also when selling, take care not to go by the typical advertised price as in my experience most were pretty poor. That said I did narrowly miss out on a couple of good ones at good prices and a friend bought a slightly higher mileage car that was well looked after at cracking price so they are out there. It's just that in several months of intensive searching and experiencing a huge amount of blatant dishonesty I didn't find one.Name me a pre 2000 car that is as comfortable, quick, reliable, convertible and has a nicely specced interior.
They were offically mercedes cars the sl60 amg, i have a pricelist list from 1996 and its on there.
I also own one. I agree with alot of what is said regarding the sl60 amg. I could and have bought a number of collection cars but the r129 sl is one of the best made cars of all time. The price new is equivalent to £150,000 in todays money. When the r120 first came out for 3 years there was over 2 year waiting list and for the first year there were many cars selling for over £100,000 in adverts when the list price was £76,000. Why? Because nothing was in the same class in the 90s, see the first paragraph of this post.
Forget today, today every car manufacturer makes 10 different models with 10 different variants. You get convertible versions of everything. Apparently the new sclass will be convertible, convertible evoque etc etc.
In the 90s you wanted speed sub 6 seconds you had porsche, ferrari, lambos, lotus a few others. Apart from porsche you couldn't rely on the others to use daily. The interiors and luxury were not there to save weight for speed, again the sl60 amg filled the niche.
Also mercedes brand is the strongest by far. Think about it, can any of the other manufactures sell Trucks and vans and 12k cars and still maintain a strong enough brand to sell 100k plus cars? Nope.
I found it all very interesting. Did you know the le mans sauber cars of the late 80s had the same engine that is in this sl60 amg m119 6.0 litre? However there was 2 turbo chargers strapped to it plus exhaust etc mods.
In 20 years from now, these posts will still be knocking around in some archive and you will see people saying 24k for an sl60 amg is over priced and you will laugh to yourself.
I think there are better sl60s for 24k but an sl60 is worth 24k, but its only worth what people think is it? Is a ferrari 250 GT worth 11,000,000? On paper no, its worth less a 2003 porsche turbo, but in life, its worth so much more.
They were offically mercedes cars the sl60 amg, i have a pricelist list from 1996 and its on there.
I also own one. I agree with alot of what is said regarding the sl60 amg. I could and have bought a number of collection cars but the r129 sl is one of the best made cars of all time. The price new is equivalent to £150,000 in todays money. When the r120 first came out for 3 years there was over 2 year waiting list and for the first year there were many cars selling for over £100,000 in adverts when the list price was £76,000. Why? Because nothing was in the same class in the 90s, see the first paragraph of this post.
Forget today, today every car manufacturer makes 10 different models with 10 different variants. You get convertible versions of everything. Apparently the new sclass will be convertible, convertible evoque etc etc.
In the 90s you wanted speed sub 6 seconds you had porsche, ferrari, lambos, lotus a few others. Apart from porsche you couldn't rely on the others to use daily. The interiors and luxury were not there to save weight for speed, again the sl60 amg filled the niche.
Also mercedes brand is the strongest by far. Think about it, can any of the other manufactures sell Trucks and vans and 12k cars and still maintain a strong enough brand to sell 100k plus cars? Nope.
I found it all very interesting. Did you know the le mans sauber cars of the late 80s had the same engine that is in this sl60 amg m119 6.0 litre? However there was 2 turbo chargers strapped to it plus exhaust etc mods.
In 20 years from now, these posts will still be knocking around in some archive and you will see people saying 24k for an sl60 amg is over priced and you will laugh to yourself.
I think there are better sl60s for 24k but an sl60 is worth 24k, but its only worth what people think is it? Is a ferrari 250 GT worth 11,000,000? On paper no, its worth less a 2003 porsche turbo, but in life, its worth so much more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Com1ska9WE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRMXLtmge2o
Some sauber clips m119 v8.
Then there was the clk GTR V8, so successful they stopped everyone else racing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQPO80YxjLk
Initially the CLK-GTR's V12 engine produced approximately 600 hp (450 kW) before developments during the 1997 season increased this to 630 hp (470 kW). Persson Motorsport's CLK GTRs remained at this power output as Mercedes-AMG had moved to development of the V8 in the CLK LM.[citation needed]
[edit] CLK LM
After conquering the FIA GT Championship, Mercedes-Benz set its sights on competing at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1998, which it had not been at since 1991. However, Le Mans presented a different challenge from that offered in FIA GT, in that the race distances were nearly one tenth the distance covered at Le Mans. Therefore Mercedes-AMG set about altering the CLK GTR in order to meet the new demands required at Le Mans.
First and foremost, Mercedes-AMG decided that the M120 V12 would not be up to the task of running for 24 hours. It was decided instead that Mercedes would actually return to an engine they had used in Group C in the late 1980s, the M119 V8. Abandoning the turbochargers that the M119 had used in Group C and enlarging the displacement, Mercedes-AMG felt that the M119 would have better reliability at speeds while still performing the same amount of power as the M120 due to air restrictor regulations.
Satisfied with the engine, Mercedes-AMG also set about altering the bodywork to better cope with the high speeds of Le Mans. The nose was lowered, with the large front brake cooling ducts on the sides of the nose being removed and replaced by a single, large opening in the front of the car. The roof of the car was also lowered and a new engine air intake designed. Various other mechanical tweaks were also performed. This new car would become known as CLK LM, standing for Le Mans.
Debuting at Le Mans, the CLK LMs were immediately quick. The two car team took the pole, ahead of custom built open cockpit Le Mans prototypes. However, Mercedes-AMG's belief that the M119 V8s would be better suited to Le Mans was proven wrong as both cars suffered engine failures within the first few hours of the race, leaving Mercedes-Benz dejected.
Returning to FIA GT, Mercedes-Benz replaced their older CLK GTRs with the new CLK LMs and saw greater success. The two cars easily won every remaining race, including six 1-2 finishes. This handed Mercedes-Benz the teams championship again, while Klaus Ludwig and Ricardo Zonta would share the drivers championship.
For the 1999 season, no competitor attempted to enter the GT1 class in FIA GT except for Mercedes-Benz, forcing the FIA to cancel the class, similar to the DTM/ITC two years earlier. Mercedes-Benz thus turned to constructing an all-new car to overcome their failure at Le Mans. No longer forced to build a racing car that could also be a road car, Mercedes-AMG set about creating the Mercedes-Benz CLR.
The CLK LM's V8 engine produced approximately 600 hp (450 kW), allowing it to reach speeds up to 330 km/h (205 mph) in testing for the 1998 24 Hours of Le Mans. Mercedes-AMG claimed a virtual top speed of 335 km/h (208 mph).[citation needed] In total, four racing variant CLK-LMs were constructed and one road-going version was built to comply with the 1998 FIA regulations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRMXLtmge2o
Some sauber clips m119 v8.
Then there was the clk GTR V8, so successful they stopped everyone else racing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQPO80YxjLk
Initially the CLK-GTR's V12 engine produced approximately 600 hp (450 kW) before developments during the 1997 season increased this to 630 hp (470 kW). Persson Motorsport's CLK GTRs remained at this power output as Mercedes-AMG had moved to development of the V8 in the CLK LM.[citation needed]
[edit] CLK LM
After conquering the FIA GT Championship, Mercedes-Benz set its sights on competing at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1998, which it had not been at since 1991. However, Le Mans presented a different challenge from that offered in FIA GT, in that the race distances were nearly one tenth the distance covered at Le Mans. Therefore Mercedes-AMG set about altering the CLK GTR in order to meet the new demands required at Le Mans.
First and foremost, Mercedes-AMG decided that the M120 V12 would not be up to the task of running for 24 hours. It was decided instead that Mercedes would actually return to an engine they had used in Group C in the late 1980s, the M119 V8. Abandoning the turbochargers that the M119 had used in Group C and enlarging the displacement, Mercedes-AMG felt that the M119 would have better reliability at speeds while still performing the same amount of power as the M120 due to air restrictor regulations.
Satisfied with the engine, Mercedes-AMG also set about altering the bodywork to better cope with the high speeds of Le Mans. The nose was lowered, with the large front brake cooling ducts on the sides of the nose being removed and replaced by a single, large opening in the front of the car. The roof of the car was also lowered and a new engine air intake designed. Various other mechanical tweaks were also performed. This new car would become known as CLK LM, standing for Le Mans.
Debuting at Le Mans, the CLK LMs were immediately quick. The two car team took the pole, ahead of custom built open cockpit Le Mans prototypes. However, Mercedes-AMG's belief that the M119 V8s would be better suited to Le Mans was proven wrong as both cars suffered engine failures within the first few hours of the race, leaving Mercedes-Benz dejected.
Returning to FIA GT, Mercedes-Benz replaced their older CLK GTRs with the new CLK LMs and saw greater success. The two cars easily won every remaining race, including six 1-2 finishes. This handed Mercedes-Benz the teams championship again, while Klaus Ludwig and Ricardo Zonta would share the drivers championship.
For the 1999 season, no competitor attempted to enter the GT1 class in FIA GT except for Mercedes-Benz, forcing the FIA to cancel the class, similar to the DTM/ITC two years earlier. Mercedes-Benz thus turned to constructing an all-new car to overcome their failure at Le Mans. No longer forced to build a racing car that could also be a road car, Mercedes-AMG set about creating the Mercedes-Benz CLR.
The CLK LM's V8 engine produced approximately 600 hp (450 kW), allowing it to reach speeds up to 330 km/h (205 mph) in testing for the 1998 24 Hours of Le Mans. Mercedes-AMG claimed a virtual top speed of 335 km/h (208 mph).[citation needed] In total, four racing variant CLK-LMs were constructed and one road-going version was built to comply with the 1998 FIA regulations.
big fa nof this... although not in manual form...
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mercedes-benz...
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mercedes-benz...
This is a loverly car , my mum has one of these tucked in the garage that has been there for ages , as she used it as a car to go to the shops!
But prefers a smaller car as it's easier for her to drive now! So it just sits there tucked away, they are absolute beast to drive so comfy and such a sense of engineering masterpiece when your on the road ,it pulls like a train ! I take it out now and then just to blow the cobwebs off but after reading all these posts I think I will have to spend a little more time looking after it ! I can put some pics up if anyone's interested in seeing the old girl!!
I believe my dad aquired her years ago through a friend and a cards game lol and a deal was struck. it's right hand drive as well and only one previous owner! I need to find a specialist mechanic really as when I take it to the local Mercedes they seem rather clueless with it! But they do love it when it comes in, but now I see why ????
But prefers a smaller car as it's easier for her to drive now! So it just sits there tucked away, they are absolute beast to drive so comfy and such a sense of engineering masterpiece when your on the road ,it pulls like a train ! I take it out now and then just to blow the cobwebs off but after reading all these posts I think I will have to spend a little more time looking after it ! I can put some pics up if anyone's interested in seeing the old girl!!
I believe my dad aquired her years ago through a friend and a cards game lol and a deal was struck. it's right hand drive as well and only one previous owner! I need to find a specialist mechanic really as when I take it to the local Mercedes they seem rather clueless with it! But they do love it when it comes in, but now I see why ????
Edited by Jamilee on Monday 29th February 02:50
if its for sale i would be interested.
Jamilee said:
This is a loverly car , my mum has one of these tucked in the garage that has been there for ages , as she used it as a car to go to the shops!
But prefers a smaller car as it's easier for her to drive now! So it just sits there tucked away, they are absolute beast to drive so comfy and such a sense of engineering masterpiece when your on the road ,it pulls like a train ! I take it out now and then just to blow the cobwebs off but after reading all these posts I think I will have to spend a little more time looking after it ! I can put some pics up if anyone's interested in seeing the old girl!!
I believe my dad aquired her years ago through a friend and a cards game lol and a deal was struck. it's right hand drive as well and only one previous owner! I need to find a specialist mechanic really as when I take it to the local Mercedes they seem rather clueless with it! But they do love it when it comes in, but now I see why ????
But prefers a smaller car as it's easier for her to drive now! So it just sits there tucked away, they are absolute beast to drive so comfy and such a sense of engineering masterpiece when your on the road ,it pulls like a train ! I take it out now and then just to blow the cobwebs off but after reading all these posts I think I will have to spend a little more time looking after it ! I can put some pics up if anyone's interested in seeing the old girl!!
I believe my dad aquired her years ago through a friend and a cards game lol and a deal was struck. it's right hand drive as well and only one previous owner! I need to find a specialist mechanic really as when I take it to the local Mercedes they seem rather clueless with it! But they do love it when it comes in, but now I see why ????
Edited by Jamilee on Monday 29th February 02:50
hi. perhaps you could drop me a private email to discuss..
We ve not really thought about selling it, been part of the family, even if forgotten for a while ! I have no idea of this cars value but learning more about it through these forums , what price would you put on a car like this today ?
Jamilee said:
We ve not really thought about selling it, been part of the family, even if forgotten for a while ! I have no idea of this cars value but learning more about it through these forums , what price would you put on a car like this today ?
Hi Jamilee
What ever happened to your sl60?
Did you sell it?
What ever happened to your sl60?
Did you sell it?
Jamilee said:
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