Oh, I never win anything normally...
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I'm not involved in this, but I am a long time Evo subscriber, and I think it reflects badly on Evo, I'm afraid.
Geoff Love's response reads to me like he's more interested in protecting the commercial arrangement with Supercar Lifestyle than making good on something that should never have happened.
I'll be thinking twice before entering any such Evo competitions in future.
Geoff Love's response reads to me like he's more interested in protecting the commercial arrangement with Supercar Lifestyle than making good on something that should never have happened.
I'll be thinking twice before entering any such Evo competitions in future.
Geoff Love said:
A number of people on this forum have expressed concern about the offer of a ‘free runners up prize’ as a follow-up to the evo competition to win a full days tuition with Supercar Lifestyle. I have subsequently spoken to a Director at Supercar Lifestyle to understand the nature of the runners up prize and the costs involved. The original winner has been picked and he will get a full day learning how to drive a GT3 car (This is completely free to the winner with no costs incurred)
Evo were not aware of the subsequent ‘prize’ that was going to be made available to all entrants, but we did share the entrants data with Supercar Lifestyle in return for running the original competition with us. That was included in the terms and conditions and is normal practice. I do think that Supercar Lifestyle could have worded their email better and should not have gave the impression that individuals had won a free runners up prize when in actual fact everybody who had entered was offered the same deal and there was a real cost to participate.
That said, the offer is a genuine one and for you to make a decision on whether to be involved or not. The four hour session (plus one hour for lunch) is based on three people sharing a BMW M3 with an instructor for the whole period, under the guidance of Ian Ashley. The four hours will include Driving, Observation and theory. The costs for the day (track time, vehicles, fuel, medic, refreshments, instructors etc) are being borne by Supercar Lifestyle and the £199 is to pay for car insurance, personal insurance, passes for 2 for MIRA (inc. guest), and membership of the Supercar Lifestyle Club. This covers people for a 12 month duration.
On behalf of evo and Supercar Lifestyle we would like to apologise to anyone who were given the false impression that this was a genuine 'free' runners up prize, but the offer of tuition is genuine and remains available. We would like to make it clear to everyone that there is a contribution to insurance cost of £199. Evo were not aware of the offer that was going to go out to all losing entrants and we would have requested Supercar Lifestyle to make the offer more explicit. I do not, however, believe that the offer is a scam and the day could be exciting.
With Best Regards
Geoff Love
Publishing Director - Evo
Thank you for taking the time to reply. However, like several of the other posters, I do think this is a more serious issue than you consider it and don't find your response sufficient. Supercar Lifestyle was deliberately misleading in stating this was a limited competition prize and I think it's fair to classify a deliberate deception as a scam. Evo were not aware of the subsequent ‘prize’ that was going to be made available to all entrants, but we did share the entrants data with Supercar Lifestyle in return for running the original competition with us. That was included in the terms and conditions and is normal practice. I do think that Supercar Lifestyle could have worded their email better and should not have gave the impression that individuals had won a free runners up prize when in actual fact everybody who had entered was offered the same deal and there was a real cost to participate.
That said, the offer is a genuine one and for you to make a decision on whether to be involved or not. The four hour session (plus one hour for lunch) is based on three people sharing a BMW M3 with an instructor for the whole period, under the guidance of Ian Ashley. The four hours will include Driving, Observation and theory. The costs for the day (track time, vehicles, fuel, medic, refreshments, instructors etc) are being borne by Supercar Lifestyle and the £199 is to pay for car insurance, personal insurance, passes for 2 for MIRA (inc. guest), and membership of the Supercar Lifestyle Club. This covers people for a 12 month duration.
On behalf of evo and Supercar Lifestyle we would like to apologise to anyone who were given the false impression that this was a genuine 'free' runners up prize, but the offer of tuition is genuine and remains available. We would like to make it clear to everyone that there is a contribution to insurance cost of £199. Evo were not aware of the offer that was going to go out to all losing entrants and we would have requested Supercar Lifestyle to make the offer more explicit. I do not, however, believe that the offer is a scam and the day could be exciting.
With Best Regards
Geoff Love
Publishing Director - Evo
When I entered the competition I selected the options for my details not to be used for marketing purposes. Since you accept that this is not a genuine prize but an offer then the personal data that Evo are responsible for has been misused.
Just to add some good news to this thread, following my comment on the first page...
So it's not all bad news. Well, for me at least.
busta said:
I once won a Bowler Wildcat driving experience but nobody ever got back to me about it. Still chasing it up now...
... I received a call. Apparently the Bowler Wildcat was used and destroyed in the Dakar rally but they are instead arranging a day off-roading in a landy for me. I'm happy with that.So it's not all bad news. Well, for me at least.
I've been round the Mira facilities in their XJR. It was good fun as a freebie but the track is not suited for an experience day IMO.
Palmerthingy FTW
That Geoff bloke above might as well have stuck two fingers up at the aggrieved parties. Evo are clearly in cahoots with the organisers.
Palmerthingy FTW
That Geoff bloke above might as well have stuck two fingers up at the aggrieved parties. Evo are clearly in cahoots with the organisers.
Sorry folks, it may be the bottle of red talking but this stinks of Evo covering for Supercar Lifestyle. They deliberately tried to deceive and got caught out.
It wasnt a "prize", as everyone was sent the email (pertaining to have "won").
A prize does not require you to pay (over the odds) for insurance and a years subscription to something you don't need/want/wont use.
£199 for a shared 4-5 hour "day" (with 2 other people) drive, over lunch, with briefing, is poor value.
The email showed an E90 M3. The day is in an E46 M3.
If the operators pay £200 a head (£600 per car) for insurance, they need to find a new broker.
A quick google of this company shows lots of people complaining of hanging around, not getting drives and being short changed.
Poor show all round, and there are far better ways of spending two hundred quid.
It wasnt a "prize", as everyone was sent the email (pertaining to have "won").
A prize does not require you to pay (over the odds) for insurance and a years subscription to something you don't need/want/wont use.
£199 for a shared 4-5 hour "day" (with 2 other people) drive, over lunch, with briefing, is poor value.
The email showed an E90 M3. The day is in an E46 M3.
If the operators pay £200 a head (£600 per car) for insurance, they need to find a new broker.
A quick google of this company shows lots of people complaining of hanging around, not getting drives and being short changed.
Poor show all round, and there are far better ways of spending two hundred quid.
Ive noticed that many of these experience days are not as good as they seem. And that you don't actually get much time in the car. From what was mentioned, the Prize was 4-5 hours split between theory, driving etc. I would imagine you get a couple of laps in the car, without being able to push it etc.
I have only ever done one experience day that i actually enjoyed and that was with www.driftlimits.co.uk
For a change you spend most of the time in the cars, and they encourage you to push it!. I did a Gold day and they only book 8-10 people in for the day, which means you end up spending a good 3 hours actually driving! Nice instructors as well
I have only ever done one experience day that i actually enjoyed and that was with www.driftlimits.co.uk
For a change you spend most of the time in the cars, and they encourage you to push it!. I did a Gold day and they only book 8-10 people in for the day, which means you end up spending a good 3 hours actually driving! Nice instructors as well
Geoff Love said:
A number of people on this forum have expressed concern about the offer of a ‘free runners up prize’ as a follow-up to the evo competition to win a full days tuition with Supercar Lifestyle. I have subsequently spoken to a Director at Supercar Lifestyle to understand the nature of the runners up prize and the costs involved. The original winner has been picked and he will get a full day learning how to drive a GT3 car (This is completely free to the winner with no costs incurred)
Evo were not aware of the subsequent ‘prize’ that was going to be made available to all entrants, but we did share the entrants data with Supercar Lifestyle in return for running the original competition with us. That was included in the terms and conditions and is normal practice. I do think that Supercar Lifestyle could have worded their email better and should not have gave the impression that individuals had won a free runners up prize when in actual fact everybody who had entered was offered the same deal and there was a real cost to participate.
That said, the offer is a genuine one and for you to make a decision on whether to be involved or not. The four hour session (plus one hour for lunch) is based on three people sharing a BMW M3 with an instructor for the whole period, under the guidance of Ian Ashley. The four hours will include Driving, Observation and theory. The costs for the day (track time, vehicles, fuel, medic, refreshments, instructors etc) are being borne by Supercar Lifestyle and the £199 is to pay for car insurance, personal insurance, passes for 2 for MIRA (inc. guest), and membership of the Supercar Lifestyle Club. This covers people for a 12 month duration.
On behalf of evo and Supercar Lifestyle we would like to apologise to anyone who were given the false impression that this was a genuine 'free' runners up prize, but the offer of tuition is genuine and remains available. We would like to make it clear to everyone that there is a contribution to insurance cost of £199. Evo were not aware of the offer that was going to go out to all losing entrants and we would have requested Supercar Lifestyle to make the offer more explicit. I do not, however, believe that the offer is a scam and the day could be exciting.
With Best Regards
Geoff Love
Publishing Director - Evo
GeoffEvo were not aware of the subsequent ‘prize’ that was going to be made available to all entrants, but we did share the entrants data with Supercar Lifestyle in return for running the original competition with us. That was included in the terms and conditions and is normal practice. I do think that Supercar Lifestyle could have worded their email better and should not have gave the impression that individuals had won a free runners up prize when in actual fact everybody who had entered was offered the same deal and there was a real cost to participate.
That said, the offer is a genuine one and for you to make a decision on whether to be involved or not. The four hour session (plus one hour for lunch) is based on three people sharing a BMW M3 with an instructor for the whole period, under the guidance of Ian Ashley. The four hours will include Driving, Observation and theory. The costs for the day (track time, vehicles, fuel, medic, refreshments, instructors etc) are being borne by Supercar Lifestyle and the £199 is to pay for car insurance, personal insurance, passes for 2 for MIRA (inc. guest), and membership of the Supercar Lifestyle Club. This covers people for a 12 month duration.
On behalf of evo and Supercar Lifestyle we would like to apologise to anyone who were given the false impression that this was a genuine 'free' runners up prize, but the offer of tuition is genuine and remains available. We would like to make it clear to everyone that there is a contribution to insurance cost of £199. Evo were not aware of the offer that was going to go out to all losing entrants and we would have requested Supercar Lifestyle to make the offer more explicit. I do not, however, believe that the offer is a scam and the day could be exciting.
With Best Regards
Geoff Love
Publishing Director - Evo
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I would make the following observations. Don't try to "blow this off" as a nothing issue, because it's not. There has been what amounts to fradulent activity here, because your counterparty company has lied to people.
1. This makes EVO look sh t. It makes you appear the same as all the other knobjockey companies who flog your details to anyone with a few quid. That may very well be not what happened, but the perception is there. I'm pretty sure Harry hasn't built his extensive businesses by treating people like this, or by entering into relationships with companies that do while using his brands.
2. The company you're dealing with are very clearly at least at the limit of what's commercially acceptable, and in my view way beyond it, because they quite clearly mislead people when they call up (let's call it what it is, a lie). This sort of "prize" where a payment is required to claim it is just not playing things with a straight bat, and telling people they have "won one of the runner up prizes" when in fact they spammed all and sundry is sharp practice. EVO's brand is all over this. See 1.
3. They can't even spell FFS.
I've always liked EVO, it's a cut above the dross, but in general terms its readers are fairly savvy and won't apprecite this sort of tosspottery.
If I was you I'd be looking at your contract with them (I assume you have one - I'd be happy to look at it) to seek redress from them for making EVO look like chancers, which I don't believe you are.
Edited by RSoovy4 on Thursday 14th February 10:01
I mentioned this further back up the thread, but has anyone seen the state of Evo’s online competitions lately? This mess aside, they have taken their twenty pieces of silver and sold the ‘competitions’ link on their website to a s
tty prize draws spamming company. The last one they emailed me was “Win a pair of Ugg Boots with Evo Competitions! Just sign up for one of the offers below and you will be entered into the prize draw!” FFS … About as far away from Evo’s demographic as I can imagine, really.
tty prize draws spamming company. The last one they emailed me was “Win a pair of Ugg Boots with Evo Competitions! Just sign up for one of the offers below and you will be entered into the prize draw!” FFS … About as far away from Evo’s demographic as I can imagine, really.RSoovy4 said:
Geoff Love said:
A number of people on this forum have expressed concern about the offer of a ‘free runners up prize’ as a follow-up to the evo competition to win a full days tuition with Supercar Lifestyle. I have subsequently spoken to a Director at Supercar Lifestyle to understand the nature of the runners up prize and the costs involved. The original winner has been picked and he will get a full day learning how to drive a GT3 car (This is completely free to the winner with no costs incurred)
Evo were not aware of the subsequent ‘prize’ that was going to be made available to all entrants, but we did share the entrants data with Supercar Lifestyle in return for running the original competition with us. That was included in the terms and conditions and is normal practice. I do think that Supercar Lifestyle could have worded their email better and should not have gave the impression that individuals had won a free runners up prize when in actual fact everybody who had entered was offered the same deal and there was a real cost to participate.
That said, the offer is a genuine one and for you to make a decision on whether to be involved or not. The four hour session (plus one hour for lunch) is based on three people sharing a BMW M3 with an instructor for the whole period, under the guidance of Ian Ashley. The four hours will include Driving, Observation and theory. The costs for the day (track time, vehicles, fuel, medic, refreshments, instructors etc) are being borne by Supercar Lifestyle and the £199 is to pay for car insurance, personal insurance, passes for 2 for MIRA (inc. guest), and membership of the Supercar Lifestyle Club. This covers people for a 12 month duration.
On behalf of evo and Supercar Lifestyle we would like to apologise to anyone who were given the false impression that this was a genuine 'free' runners up prize, but the offer of tuition is genuine and remains available. We would like to make it clear to everyone that there is a contribution to insurance cost of £199. Evo were not aware of the offer that was going to go out to all losing entrants and we would have requested Supercar Lifestyle to make the offer more explicit. I do not, however, believe that the offer is a scam and the day could be exciting.
With Best Regards
Geoff Love
Publishing Director - Evo
GeoffEvo were not aware of the subsequent ‘prize’ that was going to be made available to all entrants, but we did share the entrants data with Supercar Lifestyle in return for running the original competition with us. That was included in the terms and conditions and is normal practice. I do think that Supercar Lifestyle could have worded their email better and should not have gave the impression that individuals had won a free runners up prize when in actual fact everybody who had entered was offered the same deal and there was a real cost to participate.
That said, the offer is a genuine one and for you to make a decision on whether to be involved or not. The four hour session (plus one hour for lunch) is based on three people sharing a BMW M3 with an instructor for the whole period, under the guidance of Ian Ashley. The four hours will include Driving, Observation and theory. The costs for the day (track time, vehicles, fuel, medic, refreshments, instructors etc) are being borne by Supercar Lifestyle and the £199 is to pay for car insurance, personal insurance, passes for 2 for MIRA (inc. guest), and membership of the Supercar Lifestyle Club. This covers people for a 12 month duration.
On behalf of evo and Supercar Lifestyle we would like to apologise to anyone who were given the false impression that this was a genuine 'free' runners up prize, but the offer of tuition is genuine and remains available. We would like to make it clear to everyone that there is a contribution to insurance cost of £199. Evo were not aware of the offer that was going to go out to all losing entrants and we would have requested Supercar Lifestyle to make the offer more explicit. I do not, however, believe that the offer is a scam and the day could be exciting.
With Best Regards
Geoff Love
Publishing Director - Evo
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I would make the following observations. Don't try to "blow this off" as a nothing issue, because it's not. There has been what amounts to fradulent activity here, because your counterparty company has lied to people.
1. This makes EVO look sh t. It makes you appear the same as all the other knobjockey companies who flog your details to anyone with a few quid. That may very well be not what happened, but the perception is there. I'm pretty sure Harry hasn't built his extensive businesses by treating people like this, or by entering into relationships with companies that do while using his brands.
2. The company you're dealing with are very clearly at least at the limit of what's commercially acceptable, and in my view way beyond it, because they quite clearly mislead people when they call up (let's call it what it is, a lie). This sort of "prize" where a payment is required to claim it is just not playing things with a straight bat, and telling people they have "won one of the runner up prizes" when in fact they spammed all and sundry is sharp practice. EVO's brand is all over this. See 1.
3. They can't even spell FFS.
I've always liked EVO, it's a cut above the dross, but in general terms its readers are fairly savvy and won't apprecite this sort of tosspottery.
If I was you I'd be looking at your contract with them (I assume you have one - I'd be happy to look at it) to seek redress from them for making EVO look like chancers, which I don't believe you are.
Edited by RSoovy4 on Thursday 14th February 10:01
Rawwr said:
RSoovy4 said:
from them for making EVO look like chancers, which I don't believe you are.
I didn't until this nonsense. Just don't see it.
If I was Harry I'd be livid, and pulling EVO's contract with them. On the face of it the Supercar lot have taken the p155.
Edited by RSoovy4 on Thursday 14th February 10:15
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