RE: PH Fleet: Renault Megane 265 Cup
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Of course the miles remaining gauge is going to turn to dashes at the end, it's too little fuel to make an accurate judgement. These are petty issues such as too much information on the trip comp, is all the MR2 anger getting at you? The doors are unbelievably long alright, worst is when there's birds
t on the b pillar and you have to squeeze out, while wearing a suit. yes this happened. But, everyones major issue with the almost flawless Focus ST is that it doesn't come in 3 door. and Golfs have had sagging 3 doors for years.
t on the b pillar and you have to squeeze out, while wearing a suit. yes this happened. But, everyones major issue with the almost flawless Focus ST is that it doesn't come in 3 door. and Golfs have had sagging 3 doors for years.
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To many times if a regular poster moans about the day to day driving niggles there's a chorus of boo's from the fan boys brigade or Nomex under wear pussy. I doubt any car is prefect regardless of price, there's always something which irked on every car I've owned, even the expensive stuff.
Do like the Megane though
To many times if a regular poster moans about the day to day driving niggles there's a chorus of boo's from the fan boys brigade or Nomex under wear pussy. I doubt any car is prefect regardless of price, there's always something which irked on every car I've owned, even the expensive stuff.
Do like the Megane though
jeremyc said:
article said:
I've lost count of the number of times I've heard about the snow gates being closed on the A93 at the Spittal of Glenshea.
It's Glenshee.Hope this helps.
/pedant.
(didn't notice the 'A93')Having lived with mine for 24000 miles in a year and 3 months I agree with some of this but not all.
Mine is a Trophy so doesn't suffer from stop/start issues. Are you sure you can't turn it off? I'm sure you must be able to.
The driving position is a strange one. Despite there being a wealth of possible adjustments it's impossible to get the perfect position but not the worst by any means and the seats are an absolute joy (recaros finest)
Radio is not the best and as well as modest power and bass keeps defaulting to half volume when you turn the ignition off which is infuriating. In time, the satellite controls get easier to use and you can do loads through it so just familiarity required.
Materials are fine and at least as good as the Focus although behind the Golf of course and there's no rattles or breakages to report so far.
Quite agree about the fuel computer, about useless tbh. Also find the fact you have to press the ESP button to release the full fat throttle map/power every time you get in is a pain. like the stereo it would be good to be able to set it up how I want and for it to stay like that!
Maybe I'm influenced by the other car in my garage but the clutch is perfectly fine. Not Toyota Yaris light but hardly heavy. Try a GT3 in traffic to understand the definition of heavy.
But it is certainly perfectly refined, smooth and comfy enough for a daily commute.
Totally uninspiring soundtrack is it's only real failing as a drivers car, it's just sublime. The best FWD money can buy.
Mine is a Trophy so doesn't suffer from stop/start issues. Are you sure you can't turn it off? I'm sure you must be able to.
The driving position is a strange one. Despite there being a wealth of possible adjustments it's impossible to get the perfect position but not the worst by any means and the seats are an absolute joy (recaros finest)
Radio is not the best and as well as modest power and bass keeps defaulting to half volume when you turn the ignition off which is infuriating. In time, the satellite controls get easier to use and you can do loads through it so just familiarity required.
Materials are fine and at least as good as the Focus although behind the Golf of course and there's no rattles or breakages to report so far.
Quite agree about the fuel computer, about useless tbh. Also find the fact you have to press the ESP button to release the full fat throttle map/power every time you get in is a pain. like the stereo it would be good to be able to set it up how I want and for it to stay like that!
Maybe I'm influenced by the other car in my garage but the clutch is perfectly fine. Not Toyota Yaris light but hardly heavy. Try a GT3 in traffic to understand the definition of heavy.
But it is certainly perfectly refined, smooth and comfy enough for a daily commute.
Totally uninspiring soundtrack is it's only real failing as a drivers car, it's just sublime. The best FWD money can buy.
I understand all of the issues raised so I guess it just depends on the importance you place on them.
The clutch is sharp no doubt but there is a workaround. Train your left foot to be more sensitive and take it out of gear when you are stopped.
Driving position hasn't been a problem for me and I have long arms and long legs. Having said that there are cars I cannot get comfortable in so that is an issue for each individual to decide.
The large door is a function of a 3-door vehicle, it doesn't seem excessively large and it just requires more care when parking. The aperture for exiting is the same size no matter how long the door is if you open it to the maximum that the next vehicle gives you. I don't understand why this as an issue?
Radio/CD is definately not the best and it does occasionally seem to jump a track for no good reason as well. I can live with that but I can understand those who set a high priority on the sound system in their car. For me it often just obscures the engine sound
Heating seems fine to me, I don't worry about the temperature readout, I just adjust up when I am cold, and down when I am hot.
Yes the parameter selection on the stalk is a bit long winded and the range indicator does blank under 35miles but frankly in a performance car that can easily halve its fuel consumption if you drive hard WTF are you running around with less than a 35mile range for?
The engine stop/start is simple, switch it off.
Overall a good review because how harsh the ride is was NOT a complaint and the reliability (or lack of) wasn't an issue either.
The clutch is sharp no doubt but there is a workaround. Train your left foot to be more sensitive and take it out of gear when you are stopped.
Driving position hasn't been a problem for me and I have long arms and long legs. Having said that there are cars I cannot get comfortable in so that is an issue for each individual to decide.
The large door is a function of a 3-door vehicle, it doesn't seem excessively large and it just requires more care when parking. The aperture for exiting is the same size no matter how long the door is if you open it to the maximum that the next vehicle gives you. I don't understand why this as an issue?
Radio/CD is definately not the best and it does occasionally seem to jump a track for no good reason as well. I can live with that but I can understand those who set a high priority on the sound system in their car. For me it often just obscures the engine sound
Heating seems fine to me, I don't worry about the temperature readout, I just adjust up when I am cold, and down when I am hot.
Yes the parameter selection on the stalk is a bit long winded and the range indicator does blank under 35miles but frankly in a performance car that can easily halve its fuel consumption if you drive hard WTF are you running around with less than a 35mile range for?
The engine stop/start is simple, switch it off.
Overall a good review because how harsh the ride is was NOT a complaint and the reliability (or lack of) wasn't an issue either.
Edited by ant leigh on Tuesday 12th February 14:04
Dblue said:
Radio is not the best and as well as modest power and bass keeps defaulting to half volume when you turn the ignition off which is infuriating. In time, the satellite controls get easier to use and you can do loads through it so just familiarity required.
Almost certain you can change this in the settings. I haven't done it myself though, just thought I saw it while messing with the settings. But it could be either that we have different specs in ireland.ant leigh said:
Yes the parameter selection on the stalk is a bit long winded and the range indicator does blank under 35miles but frankly in a performance car that can easily halve its fuel consumption if you drive hard WTF are you running around with less than a 35mile range for?
Amen!Did a 30 mile commute in mine every day for a year, and no real complaints as such.
Yes, the clutch is a bit heavy, but it's not that bad, and I've yet to drive any non-auto performance car that doesn't have a heavy clutch. My old Fiesta felt far worse!
The seating position is odd. I used to find it fine, then once the Mrs sat in itand changed my settings, I haven't been able to get it right since! It's ok, but it's not perfect...
I do agree with the heater. There's a bit difference between 27degrees and "hot". If it's really cold out, I tend to keep it on hot until I'm warm, and then just turn the fans down.
Despite that, there still isn't another car on the market I'd rather drive. I'll be keeping mine for a long time thanks!
Yes, the clutch is a bit heavy, but it's not that bad, and I've yet to drive any non-auto performance car that doesn't have a heavy clutch. My old Fiesta felt far worse!
The seating position is odd. I used to find it fine, then once the Mrs sat in itand changed my settings, I haven't been able to get it right since! It's ok, but it's not perfect...
I do agree with the heater. There's a bit difference between 27degrees and "hot". If it's really cold out, I tend to keep it on hot until I'm warm, and then just turn the fans down.
Despite that, there still isn't another car on the market I'd rather drive. I'll be keeping mine for a long time thanks!
renaultgeek said:
Dblue said:
Radio is not the best and as well as modest power and bass keeps defaulting to half volume when you turn the ignition off which is infuriating. In time, the satellite controls get easier to use and you can do loads through it so just familiarity required.
Almost certain you can change this in the settings. I haven't done it myself though, just thought I saw it while messing with the settings. But it could be either that we have different specs in ireland.ant leigh said:
Yes the parameter selection on the stalk is a bit long winded and the range indicator does blank under 35miles but frankly in a performance car that can easily halve its fuel consumption if you drive hard WTF are you running around with less than a 35mile range for?
Amen!
I've researched this quite a bit and I'm pretty sure you can't stop it defaulting to level 15.Re the fuel consumption, as the car has a weedy 55 litre tank anyway having to refill it when you have 35 miles range left makes it not much more than 200 miles a tankful which is a pain. I reckon you have at least 60 miles range left (if driven carefully) when it stops telling you what you have left.
Oddball RS said:
Pretty decent article and sums up a lot of Renaults flips sides, they are 'nearly' cars in so many ways.
I'm not sure I agree with that. This is THE outstanding drivers car of it's type and it's talents set standards that no one else can match. Its a perfectly well made and refined mode of transport that doesn't break, doesn't rattle , and costs average amounts of money to run.I've had a lot of cars in my time and they all have imperfections in how their controls and systems work one way or another, even more so as they get more and more complicated. The Renault is by no means the worst in this regard whilst offering a world class driving experience.
Dblue said:
I'm not sure I agree with that. This is THE outstanding drivers car of it's type and it's talents set standards that no one else can match. Its a perfectly well made and refined mode of transport that doesn't break, doesn't rattle , and costs average amounts of money to run.
I've had a lot of cars in my time and they all have imperfections in how their controls and systems work one way or another, even more so as they get more and more complicated. The Renault is by no means the worst in this regard whilst offering a world class driving experience.
Would it have cost more for Renault to make the car without the above mentioned issues?I've had a lot of cars in my time and they all have imperfections in how their controls and systems work one way or another, even more so as they get more and more complicated. The Renault is by no means the worst in this regard whilst offering a world class driving experience.
I took delivery of my 265 Cup in May, i absolutely love it. I too spend more time than I would like on the motorway but I live for the snatched moments of fun, luckily i often commute in the early hours so the road is largely mine. Yes the ride is firm but I agree its perfectly acceptable, my wife holds a different view I admit, but then she doesn't go in it very often
Nobody is going to buy this car, especially in Cup form, without knowing what they are getting into, the average owner is perhaps more focused than Alex thinks, having had a couple of Caterhams and a couple of Elises in the past I find the Renault simply brilliant, its my every day car unlike the previous fun cars, it has real world, usable performance without being excessive. If anyone was worried about becoming tired driving a focused car then the question is already answered, buy something else
Driving position isn't perfect and the pedal spacing makes heel and toe changes a bit unnatural, instruments are dominated by the very hard to read speedo, luckily the digital readout tells you what you need, its unusually accurate as well. I dont know about you but I know my way round my car, I know its 6 clicks of the trip computer to take me from digital speed to average fuel consumption, no need to stare at it as you select a change
In conclusion, this car,my first Renault is the best car Ive owned by far, it has been faultless, no squeaks, rattles or faults, Renault did a fantastic deal on finance and warranty, it does exactly what I wanted in a car, brilliant
Nobody is going to buy this car, especially in Cup form, without knowing what they are getting into, the average owner is perhaps more focused than Alex thinks, having had a couple of Caterhams and a couple of Elises in the past I find the Renault simply brilliant, its my every day car unlike the previous fun cars, it has real world, usable performance without being excessive. If anyone was worried about becoming tired driving a focused car then the question is already answered, buy something else
Driving position isn't perfect and the pedal spacing makes heel and toe changes a bit unnatural, instruments are dominated by the very hard to read speedo, luckily the digital readout tells you what you need, its unusually accurate as well. I dont know about you but I know my way round my car, I know its 6 clicks of the trip computer to take me from digital speed to average fuel consumption, no need to stare at it as you select a change
In conclusion, this car,my first Renault is the best car Ive owned by far, it has been faultless, no squeaks, rattles or faults, Renault did a fantastic deal on finance and warranty, it does exactly what I wanted in a car, brilliant
Gavinio said:
I know exactly what you mean, I used to own a Civic Type R, which was fantastic on welsh B roads and occasional track days, but bloody awful for the commute to work. Its lack of refinement made it exceptionally tiresome on the motorway and in stop start traffic. I guess by their very nature these types of vehicle are inherently flawed and compromised, if you need something that does it all perhaps an M3/RS4 is the answer?
Golf GTI clarki said:
Dblue said:
The best FWD money can buy.
2nd best ;-) Perhaps , though if we're aparently talking about whether the heater controls are good enough or its stop start function is a bit tardy.....This is Pistonheads isn't it? I've not wandered on to the WhatCar best econo hatch forum by mistake?
Edited by Dblue on Tuesday 12th February 16:41
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