RE: PH Fleet: Renault Megane 265 Cup
Discussion
Dblue said:
Perhaps , though if we're aparently talking about whether the heater controls are good enough or its stop start function is a bit tardy.....This is Pistonheads isn't it? I've not wandered on to the WhatCar best econo hatch forum bu mistake?
I have doubled my non-commute mileage. It might be massive fun to drive but think of the extra fuel bills all this extra (and fun) driving results in.
The engine picks up pace at a fantastic rate with very little fall off in power as it nears the red line. This makes it far to easy to hit the rev limiter beep if you are accelerating hard which is another major fault IMO
The cornering ability is much too good. The OH is always complaining about excessive G forces when she is in the car.
With all these irritations its hard to imagine why I bought it and can't imagine selling it....
Edited by ant leigh on Tuesday 12th February 16:44
ant leigh said:
There are a few other issues that could be added
The engine picks up pace at a fantastic rate with very little fall off in power as it nears the red line. This makes it far to easy to hit the rev limiter beep if you are accelerating hard which is another major fault IMO
Good point, another reason a DCT would be great on this car. I cant change gear quick enough.The engine picks up pace at a fantastic rate with very little fall off in power as it nears the red line. This makes it far to easy to hit the rev limiter beep if you are accelerating hard which is another major fault IMO
Edited by ant leigh on Tuesday 12th February 16:44
Well, fair enough - some of these issues aren't important to people who are looking for the ultimate in handling ability. But I'd imagine to some people who are spending £28k on a car like this, they are - especially if it's going to be an only car. Which is why I thought them worthy of mention. I know I'd be glad of the info if I was going to be spending this amount of money on my next car; indeed, I'd be miffed if I spent that much and found that the standard equipment didn't work as well as it should.
Highlighting the niggling faults as well as the car's many good points is kinda the whole reason for having a long-term test car. Dan has brought to the fore the car's excellent driving dynamics in previous updates (as, indeed, have I in this one, to a point); I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't bring to light the car's downsides too. If you'd be happy to live with them, that's fair enough - but not everyone will be!
Highlighting the niggling faults as well as the car's many good points is kinda the whole reason for having a long-term test car. Dan has brought to the fore the car's excellent driving dynamics in previous updates (as, indeed, have I in this one, to a point); I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't bring to light the car's downsides too. If you'd be happy to live with them, that's fair enough - but not everyone will be!
I think it depends on the individual. I agree with some of the points made in the article, but think the others are either non-issues (fuel reader) or are too "user specific" (for example the driving position (and that's coming from someone of an awkward size!)). Of those that are issues for the individual concerned, you, as has been pointed out, either care or you don't care. Personally, I was just happy to be driving around in a brilliant car having too much fun to worry about if I will be able to get out when I park or exactly what song I will end up on when I press button X on the stalk.
I appreciate that this stuff matters to others though. Perhaps a Golf GTI or S3 would be more suitable?
I appreciate that this stuff matters to others though. Perhaps a Golf GTI or S3 would be more suitable?
Scrof said:
Well, fair enough - some of these issues aren't important to people who are looking for the ultimate in handling ability. But I'd imagine to some people who are spending £28k on a car like this, they are - especially if it's going to be an only car. Which is why I thought them worthy of mention. I know I'd be glad of the info if I was going to be spending this amount of money on my next car; indeed, I'd be miffed if I spent that much and found that the standard equipment didn't work as well as it should.
Highlighting the niggling faults as well as the car's many good points is kinda the whole reason for having a long-term test car. Dan has brought to the fore the car's excellent driving dynamics in previous updates (as, indeed, have I in this one, to a point); I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't bring to light the car's downsides too. If you'd be happy to live with them, that's fair enough - but not everyone will be!
Not arguing with the reasoning behind the piece just the conclusions. I run a couple of other cars as well as my Megane including a Bluemotion Golf. It's a car that's held up as paragon of quality and thorough design but I could come up with a few similar niggles. Don't get me started on it's slow, counter intuitive touch screen or it's annoying standard central locking that requires a perfectly timed double plip to unlock all the doors (Yes you can change it if you are determined enough to find out how). The fact the Bluetooth won't just play music from my i phone like it will in the Renault for example.Highlighting the niggling faults as well as the car's many good points is kinda the whole reason for having a long-term test car. Dan has brought to the fore the car's excellent driving dynamics in previous updates (as, indeed, have I in this one, to a point); I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't bring to light the car's downsides too. If you'd be happy to live with them, that's fair enough - but not everyone will be!
Fact is that I honestly don't think the Renault is particularly bad or even below average in terms of usability, there just isn't any car that doesn't have some foibles including top of the range Audis and BMWs
I really don't get the clutch issue, I honestly don't find it out of the ordinary though I'm influenced by the GT3 perhaps. Not hugely different to the Golf tbh.
Well if it didn't have these it would not drive as good or vice-versa,Some chose the Megane and sacrifice the perfect day to day living hot hatch and some chose the Focus ST that will not drive as good as the Megane.
I think Dan preferred living with it but everyone has different perceptions ,people like myself coming from older cars the Megane 265 seems like a Rolls Royce in all directions when it comes to everyday living.
I think Dan preferred living with it but everyone has different perceptions ,people like myself coming from older cars the Megane 265 seems like a Rolls Royce in all directions when it comes to everyday living.
have to agree with other posts the controls behind the steering wheel are fine once your familiar with them and the clutch is definitely nothing compared to other cars. a clio 182 has a much heavier clutch. Its best to just not sit on the clutch if you can help it.
The seating position I can understand. Though Ive found that using the height adjustment also changes the fore and aft position which can help with getting the pedal / wheel positioning better. (Im assuming you found the wheel adjust which is a bit hidden compared to other cars)
One of the odd things Ive found with the auto locking is that unless you leave a door open when opening the bonnet the auto locking activates when you walk to the front of the car which then results in the alarm going off as it detects the bonnet is open.
I end up having to open the bonnet quite often fill up the washer bottle, with all the bad weather and the fact that the head lamp washers really like a drink...wish I could disable them.
I drive about 600+ miles a week in my 265 and its no less practical or comfortable than the Clio 200 I had before.
I get the impression that the irritation of traffic is bound to make you focus on any slight niggles far more than usual.
With regard to quality of plastics: the quality of the interiors in the current Renault compared to those of old is night and day.
at least Renault spent the money where it counts for most people on pistonheads
The seating position I can understand. Though Ive found that using the height adjustment also changes the fore and aft position which can help with getting the pedal / wheel positioning better. (Im assuming you found the wheel adjust which is a bit hidden compared to other cars)
One of the odd things Ive found with the auto locking is that unless you leave a door open when opening the bonnet the auto locking activates when you walk to the front of the car which then results in the alarm going off as it detects the bonnet is open.
I end up having to open the bonnet quite often fill up the washer bottle, with all the bad weather and the fact that the head lamp washers really like a drink...wish I could disable them.
I drive about 600+ miles a week in my 265 and its no less practical or comfortable than the Clio 200 I had before.
I get the impression that the irritation of traffic is bound to make you focus on any slight niggles far more than usual.
With regard to quality of plastics: the quality of the interiors in the current Renault compared to those of old is night and day.
at least Renault spent the money where it counts for most people on pistonheads
renaultgeek said:
Of course the miles remaining gauge is going to turn to dashes at the end, it's too little fuel to make an accurate judgement.
Most of the cars I've owned go all the way down to zero. A gauge that turns to dashes ruins one of great joys of modern motoring - seeing how close to zero you can get without coming to an embarassing halt in the pissing rain miles from anywhere. 
2SPN said:
renaultgeek said:
Of course the miles remaining gauge is going to turn to dashes at the end, it's too little fuel to make an accurate judgement.
Most of the cars I've owned go all the way down to zero. A gauge that turns to dashes ruins one of great joys of modern motoring - seeing how close to zero you can get without coming to an embarassing halt in the pissing rain miles from anywhere. Merc CLK63 Black Series cannot be driven economically enough to get another 20 miles out of them when you get to 0 on the computer and Porsche 991s computers mean 0 when they say 0. Still you learn how to deal with embarrassment when the demo 991 you have for the day is sitting on the side of the dual carriageway and the Police drop in to give you a lecture.
Your left ankle get's tired if your foot is on the clutch too long? What the?! Have you tried putting the gearbox in neutral and taking your foot off of the clutch while waiting in long cues? Seriously this comment screams non car buff. What's next? The steering wheel makes your arms ache when you need to drive too far? Man up Princess!
Shipper said:
Your left ankle get's tired if your foot is on the clutch too long? What the?! Have you tried putting the gearbox in neutral and taking your foot off of the clutch while waiting in long cues? Seriously this comment screams non car buff. What's next? The steering wheel makes your arms ache when you need to drive too far? Man up Princess!
Renault Fanboi HO!Most queues involve creeping forward - stopping - creeping forward - stopping - constantly. VERY few are about sitting still for any period of time.
I once had the opposite curse to this, a Rover 600 hirecar with a clutch which just got sloppier and sloppier with every engagement, traffic queues were a massive pain-in-the-ass as you tried, desperately, to get the f
king thing to move forward smoothly (after about 20 mins it was impossible and it had a whopping 300miles on it at this point).It's great speccing a car with 'race' features but reality comes calling sometimes. I've lost count of the people I know who've simply chosen 'the wrong car' for their daily driver tho - and this is clearly that.
Dblue said:
Its a perfectly well made and refined mode of transport that doesn't break, doesn't rattle , and costs average amounts of money to run.
Pass on my regards to this poster's family, his death as the irony bomb crashed into his skull was actually quite funny but the mess is terrible.You realise you posted that about a RENAULT!?
a RENAULT!!
I bought this (on 7 Feb in Melbourne Australia) based on the reviews !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and my test drive of course.
I live in Melbourne Australia and found every review to be astounding, simply astounding, so I have just ordered a Cup 265 with Sat nav, front sensors (rear are standard) and xenon lights - $47730 drive away price - probably dearer here, I have a wait of 4 and a bit months to get it - June 2013, the wait is hurting already. I am a 62 yr old baby boomer, 5 feet seven high so I hope a fella like me can find a pretty good driving position - will I? (test drive position seemed ok, but I was in raptures when I went for my first and only shortspin)
Where can I get genuine Renault Meg 265 T shirt
I went for a test drive - found it brilliant, very fast yet sedate (too), perfect grip, actually comfy on the suburban roads, boot is sizeable, dunno about the radio, hope the speakers and sound are ok
But hey fellas and gals, I'm in love
Have I bought a magnificent perfoamance car or not? I thought the unequivocal answer is a very resounding ..yes
What hatch is better at the moment?
Aren't the reviews close to the mark, or is this fella who reviewed it getting paid from opposition manufacturers. I got the impression he was nit picking and all of the irks amounted to nothing, one you get familiar with the car. Sure the buttons on dash are small, but isn't the car such a magnificent vehicle that all the pickiness is just that
Web excerpts 7 Feb 13:
..."Therefore, it's hardly surprising that Renault can produce a car like the Megane RS265 - arguably the best front wheel drive car ever built"
"There was precious little difference in the pace of the Renault compared with the Porsche 911 we recently tested"
the Megane RS265 delivers the kind of drive feel you expect from a car costing over $100,000. It costs from $42,640
"On a drive program for the RS265, we covered roads previously driven in the latest Porsche 911. And there was precious little difference in the pace of the Renault compared with the Porsche - selling at five times the price. And you can actually accommodate two people in the back seat of the Megane RS265"
"It has cornering capabilities like few other cars and really does feel like it's on rails at silly speeds. We took the car to a race track to extend the envelope but came away humbled because not once did the stylish Renault put a wheel out of place. It makes mug punters look like hero drivers."
Another ...'we love the VW Sirocco R, but the latest megane road-rocket takes everything to a higher level'
Or this:
'so the big question, what is the Megane 265 like on the road? In one word 'remarkable'
Here one reviewer: http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-r...
...
Where can I get genuine Renault Meg 265 T shirt ?
and my test drive of course.
I live in Melbourne Australia and found every review to be astounding, simply astounding, so I have just ordered a Cup 265 with Sat nav, front sensors (rear are standard) and xenon lights - $47730 drive away price - probably dearer here, I have a wait of 4 and a bit months to get it - June 2013, the wait is hurting already. I am a 62 yr old baby boomer, 5 feet seven high so I hope a fella like me can find a pretty good driving position - will I? (test drive position seemed ok, but I was in raptures when I went for my first and only shortspin)
Where can I get genuine Renault Meg 265 T shirt
I went for a test drive - found it brilliant, very fast yet sedate (too), perfect grip, actually comfy on the suburban roads, boot is sizeable, dunno about the radio, hope the speakers and sound are ok
But hey fellas and gals, I'm in love
Have I bought a magnificent perfoamance car or not? I thought the unequivocal answer is a very resounding ..yes
What hatch is better at the moment?
Aren't the reviews close to the mark, or is this fella who reviewed it getting paid from opposition manufacturers. I got the impression he was nit picking and all of the irks amounted to nothing, one you get familiar with the car. Sure the buttons on dash are small, but isn't the car such a magnificent vehicle that all the pickiness is just that
Web excerpts 7 Feb 13:
..."Therefore, it's hardly surprising that Renault can produce a car like the Megane RS265 - arguably the best front wheel drive car ever built"
"There was precious little difference in the pace of the Renault compared with the Porsche 911 we recently tested"
the Megane RS265 delivers the kind of drive feel you expect from a car costing over $100,000. It costs from $42,640
"On a drive program for the RS265, we covered roads previously driven in the latest Porsche 911. And there was precious little difference in the pace of the Renault compared with the Porsche - selling at five times the price. And you can actually accommodate two people in the back seat of the Megane RS265"
"It has cornering capabilities like few other cars and really does feel like it's on rails at silly speeds. We took the car to a race track to extend the envelope but came away humbled because not once did the stylish Renault put a wheel out of place. It makes mug punters look like hero drivers."
Another ...'we love the VW Sirocco R, but the latest megane road-rocket takes everything to a higher level'
Or this:
'so the big question, what is the Megane 265 like on the road? In one word 'remarkable'
Here one reviewer: http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-r...
...
Where can I get genuine Renault Meg 265 T shirt ?
BY other blogger :"One of the odd things Ive found with the auto locking is that unless you leave a door open when opening the bonnet the auto locking activates when you walk to the front of the car which then results in the alarm going off as it detects the bonnet is open."
Hey mate, I am mesmerised by all this.
From the beginning, I assume that when I get in the car, it is by default, unlocked - to lock it while inside, I'd have to hit a button of some sort inside the vehicle to lock the car; I would not be able to get out until I pressed that button to unlock it - yehh??
So to get out of the car, I'd have to press that button again to unlock it.
So basically, from first priciples, how firstly do you open the bonnet, I presume from inside the car only ???
Now moving on, and bear with me here, I have not taken delivery of my 265 Cup yet... I get out of the car to fill the water reservoir, so car is unlocked eh? , isn't it, I shut the door (I might be a servo so I naturally shut the door so someone does not wipe the door out!!); at that point I assume that that very action of shutting the door means that car is still unlocked; then I open the bonnet to fill up the water reservoir, shut the bonnet, and I assume the alarm does not go off in that circumstance, does it? That would be a very dumb way to set up a locking system.
So, if I get out of car and shut the door, and somehow the car goes into the the locked position automatically without me 'instructing' that it be locked... - I hope not, that would be very dumb - the keys might still be inside the car and I am only trying to fill the water reservoir !!!
So in essence you are saying I cant open the bonnet unless the car door is open because the action of shutting the car door seems to lock the car.
To me the only way to lock the car should be the driver by pressing a button usually on the keys ie 'a command' by him/her to lock the car. Only when the car is actually locked should the alarm set off if the driver or a thief try to open the bonnet.
If there is a problem, it appears that the locking and alarm systems are not talking to each other
Are you telling me that Renault have not got this right, and still cant when you take it in for a service. If they cant, they figure it would cost a fortune to do it, and would rather wait until the next release of the car ???
Is that one of the prices in getting a fabulous car with a fab engine etc etc
???
Help bro !!!
Hey mate, I am mesmerised by all this.
From the beginning, I assume that when I get in the car, it is by default, unlocked - to lock it while inside, I'd have to hit a button of some sort inside the vehicle to lock the car; I would not be able to get out until I pressed that button to unlock it - yehh??
So to get out of the car, I'd have to press that button again to unlock it.
So basically, from first priciples, how firstly do you open the bonnet, I presume from inside the car only ???
Now moving on, and bear with me here, I have not taken delivery of my 265 Cup yet... I get out of the car to fill the water reservoir, so car is unlocked eh? , isn't it, I shut the door (I might be a servo so I naturally shut the door so someone does not wipe the door out!!); at that point I assume that that very action of shutting the door means that car is still unlocked; then I open the bonnet to fill up the water reservoir, shut the bonnet, and I assume the alarm does not go off in that circumstance, does it? That would be a very dumb way to set up a locking system.
So, if I get out of car and shut the door, and somehow the car goes into the the locked position automatically without me 'instructing' that it be locked... - I hope not, that would be very dumb - the keys might still be inside the car and I am only trying to fill the water reservoir !!!
So in essence you are saying I cant open the bonnet unless the car door is open because the action of shutting the car door seems to lock the car.
To me the only way to lock the car should be the driver by pressing a button usually on the keys ie 'a command' by him/her to lock the car. Only when the car is actually locked should the alarm set off if the driver or a thief try to open the bonnet.
If there is a problem, it appears that the locking and alarm systems are not talking to each other
Are you telling me that Renault have not got this right, and still cant when you take it in for a service. If they cant, they figure it would cost a fortune to do it, and would rather wait until the next release of the car ???
Is that one of the prices in getting a fabulous car with a fab engine etc etc
???
Help bro !!!
Edited by tezza's wisdom on Wednesday 13th February 05:51
tezza's wisdom said:
BY other blogger :"One of the odd things Ive found with the auto locking is that unless you leave a door open when opening the bonnet the auto locking activates when you walk to the front of the car which then results in the alarm going off as it detects the bonnet is open."
Hey mate, I am mesmerised by all this.
From the beginning, I assume that when I get in the car, it is by default, unlocked - to lock it while inside, I'd have to hit a button of some sort inside the vehicle to lock the car; I would not be able to get out until I pressed that button to unlock it - yehh??
So to get out of the car, I'd have to press that button again to unlock it.
So basically, from first priciples, how firstly do you open the bonnet, I presume from inside the car only ???
Now moving on, and bear with me here, I have not taken delivery of my 265 Cup yet... I get out of the car to fill the water reservoir, so car is unlocked eh? , isn't it, I shut the door (I might be a servo so I naturally shut the door so someone does not wipe the door out!!); at that point I assume that that very action of shutting the door means that car is still unlocked; then I open the bonnet to fill up the water reservoir, shut the bonnet, and I assume the alarm does not go off in that circumstance, does it? That would be a very dumb way to set up a locking system.
So, if I get out of car and shut the door, and somehow the car goes into the the locked position automatically without me 'instructing' that it be locked... - I hope not, that would be very dumb - the keys might still be inside the car and I am only trying to fill the water reservoir !!!
So in essence you are saying I cant open the bonnet unless the car door is open because the action of shutting the car door seems to lock the car.
To me the only way to lock the car should be the driver by pressing a button usually on the keys ie 'a command' by him/her to lock the car. Only when the car is actually locked should the alarm set off if the driver or a thief try to open the bonnet.
If there is a problem, it appears that the locking and alarm systems are not talking to each other
Are you telling me that Renault have not got this right, and still cant when you take it in for a service. If they cant, they figure it would cost a fortune to do it, and would rather wait until the next release of the car ???
Is that one of the prices in getting a fabulous car with a fab engine etc etc
???
Help bro !!!
If you spec wireless entry then the car auto locks as you walk away. It works great most of the time. There is a maintenance mode that can be setHey mate, I am mesmerised by all this.
From the beginning, I assume that when I get in the car, it is by default, unlocked - to lock it while inside, I'd have to hit a button of some sort inside the vehicle to lock the car; I would not be able to get out until I pressed that button to unlock it - yehh??
So to get out of the car, I'd have to press that button again to unlock it.
So basically, from first priciples, how firstly do you open the bonnet, I presume from inside the car only ???
Now moving on, and bear with me here, I have not taken delivery of my 265 Cup yet... I get out of the car to fill the water reservoir, so car is unlocked eh? , isn't it, I shut the door (I might be a servo so I naturally shut the door so someone does not wipe the door out!!); at that point I assume that that very action of shutting the door means that car is still unlocked; then I open the bonnet to fill up the water reservoir, shut the bonnet, and I assume the alarm does not go off in that circumstance, does it? That would be a very dumb way to set up a locking system.
So, if I get out of car and shut the door, and somehow the car goes into the the locked position automatically without me 'instructing' that it be locked... - I hope not, that would be very dumb - the keys might still be inside the car and I am only trying to fill the water reservoir !!!
So in essence you are saying I cant open the bonnet unless the car door is open because the action of shutting the car door seems to lock the car.
To me the only way to lock the car should be the driver by pressing a button usually on the keys ie 'a command' by him/her to lock the car. Only when the car is actually locked should the alarm set off if the driver or a thief try to open the bonnet.
If there is a problem, it appears that the locking and alarm systems are not talking to each other
Are you telling me that Renault have not got this right, and still cant when you take it in for a service. If they cant, they figure it would cost a fortune to do it, and would rather wait until the next release of the car ???
Is that one of the prices in getting a fabulous car with a fab engine etc etc
???
Help bro !!!
Edited by tezza's wisdom on Wednesday 13th February 05:51
But I tend to forget until I open the bonnet and the alarm goes off.
Just leaving the door cracked open sorts the issue
Edited by matthewslt on Wednesday 13th February 07:31
Edited by matthewslt on Wednesday 13th February 07:32
405dogvan said:
Shipper said:
Your left ankle get's tired if your foot is on the clutch too long? What the?! Have you tried putting the gearbox in neutral and taking your foot off of the clutch while waiting in long cues? Seriously this comment screams non car buff. What's next? The steering wheel makes your arms ache when you need to drive too far? Man up Princess!
Renault Fanboi HO!Most queues involve creeping forward - stopping - creeping forward - stopping - constantly. VERY few are about sitting still for any period of time.
I once had the opposite curse to this, a Rover 600 hirecar with a clutch which just got sloppier and sloppier with every engagement, traffic queues were a massive pain-in-the-ass as you tried, desperately, to get the f
king thing to move forward smoothly (after about 20 mins it was impossible and it had a whopping 300miles on it at this point).It's great speccing a car with 'race' features but reality comes calling sometimes. I've lost count of the people I know who've simply chosen 'the wrong car' for their daily driver tho - and this is clearly that.
tezza's wisdom said:
Where can I get genuine Renault Meg 265 T shirt ?
From this very website on 8th February:http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
Getting back to the article, this is an interesting piece on the Megane. I'm sorry that I don't meet the company director criteria of some people here
but if I can afford one in a couple of years, it'll be second hand and have to be squeezed between the wedding and mortgage I'm planning. Also, even if I were wealthier we don't have space for my partner's car and for me to have a variety... so this would be my only car if I bought one. The Octavia vRS will soldier on a bit longer in the meantime.While there are long term tests, I haven't read anything on workday-commute and doing boring but necessary stuff with the Megane before so this makes interesting reading. Of course, engineering's all about compromises but that doesn't excuse fiddly multi-buttoned column stalks or doors you can't open in a tight car park... It's interesting that the niggles you describe (clutch and odd CF trim notwithstanding) are elements of the car inherited from Meganes that ought to be *less* compromised.
Dan, if you're reading this between the thousands of other matters that require your attention: How tall are you? I'm 6'1" with relatively long legs and short arms... while I'm not quite kangaroo-proportions I'm a little worried when you describe a "short leg, long arm" seating position. (Or would other 6-footer PHer Megane owners care to comment?)
Even with the niggles and knowing that it'd be a far less practical car than the one I currently steer, I'm sorely tempted...
blearyeyedboy said:
tezza's wisdom said:
Where can I get genuine Renault Meg 265 T shirt ?
From this very website on 8th February:http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
Getting back to the article, this is an interesting piece on the Megane. I'm sorry that I don't meet the company director criteria of some people here
but if I can afford one in a couple of years, it'll be second hand and have to be squeezed between the wedding and mortgage I'm planning. Also, even if I were wealthier we don't have space for my partner's car and for me to have a variety... so this would be my only car if I bought one. The Octavia vRS will soldier on a bit longer in the meantime.While there are long term tests, I haven't read anything on workday-commute and doing boring but necessary stuff with the Megane before so this makes interesting reading. Of course, engineering's all about compromises but that doesn't excuse fiddly multi-buttoned column stalks or doors you can't open in a tight car park... It's interesting that the niggles you describe (clutch and odd CF trim notwithstanding) are elements of the car inherited from Meganes that ought to be *less* compromised.
Dan, if you're reading this between the thousands of other matters that require your attention: How tall are you? I'm 6'1" with relatively long legs and short arms... while I'm not quite kangaroo-proportions I'm a little worried when you describe a "short leg, long arm" seating position. (Or would other 6-footer PHer Megane owners care to comment?)
Even with the niggles and knowing that it'd be a far less practical car than the one I currently steer, I'm sorely tempted...
405dogvan said:
Dblue said:
Its a perfectly well made and refined mode of transport that doesn't break, doesn't rattle , and costs average amounts of money to run.
Pass on my regards to this poster's family, his death as the irony bomb crashed into his skull was actually quite funny but the mess is terrible.You realise you posted that about a RENAULT!?
a RENAULT!!
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