RE: Alfa Romeo 4C - first official pictures

[LuS1fer]

I don't like the looks at all.

[DJRC]

You have high hopes for the handling?? Who on earth would buy this for its handling????? You just go and buy the Exige for "the handling".

Its not going to handle aswell as the Exige. Roadster or coupe. We knew that when it was just a concept car 2 yrs ago. We knew it when it finally got confirmed as production car. We know it now. The last thing this car is about is the handling.

Look, frankly the car only really has 2 jobs to pull off.

1. Look good parked up on Monaco front for the sunday morning breakfast club
2. Look good for the saturday morning coffee meeting at Dana Point in California

Thats it. The car is a fashion statement. Its a design lead 150th birthday present to Italy from Alfa. Its a halo car statement. The dynamics of the thing wont matter a damn. Its aimed at hedonists, not enthusiasts. This partly explains my worry over the engine...its lacking the emotional, tactile "whump" to go with its look and "statement" impact. At £50k it needs that.

2yrs old and £30k though...then its a steal.

[stephen300o]

DJRC said:

You have high hopes for the handling?? Who on earth would buy this for its handling????? You just go and buy the Exige for "the handling".

Its not going to handle aswell as the Exige. Roadster or coupe. We knew that when it was just a concept car 2 yrs ago. We knew it when it finally got confirmed as production car. We know it now. The last thing this car is about is the handling.

Look, frankly the car only really has 2 jobs to pull off.

1. Look good parked up on Monaco front for the sunday morning breakfast club
2. Look good for the saturday morning coffee meeting at Dana Point in California

Thats it. The car is a fashion statement. Its a design lead 150th birthday present to Italy from Alfa. Its a halo car statement. The dynamics of the thing wont matter a damn. Its aimed at hedonists, not enthusiasts. This partly explains my worry over the engine...its lacking the emotional, tactile "whump" to go with its look and "statement" impact. At £50k it needs that.

2yrs old and £30k though...then its a steal.

I disagree with all of that.

[trashbat]

DJRC said:

Its not going to handle aswell as the Exige. Roadster or coupe. We knew that when it was just a concept car 2 yrs ago. We knew it when it finally got confirmed as production car. We know it now. The last thing this car is about is the handling.

You've been complaining about this car for at least a year, yet you simultaneously act as if Alfa owe you something. What's it all about?

[otolith]

Why bother with the carbon if dynamics don't matter?

[SWoll]

stephen300o said:

DJRC said:

You have high hopes for the handling?? Who on earth would buy this for its handling????? You just go and buy the Exige for "the handling".

Its not going to handle aswell as the Exige. Roadster or coupe. We knew that when it was just a concept car 2 yrs ago. We knew it when it finally got confirmed as production car. We know it now. The last thing this car is about is the handling.

Look, frankly the car only really has 2 jobs to pull off.

1. Look good parked up on Monaco front for the sunday morning breakfast club
2. Look good for the saturday morning coffee meeting at Dana Point in California

Thats it. The car is a fashion statement. Its a design lead 150th birthday present to Italy from Alfa. Its a halo car statement. The dynamics of the thing wont matter a damn. Its aimed at hedonists, not enthusiasts. This partly explains my worry over the engine...its lacking the emotional, tactile "whump" to go with its look and "statement" impact. At £50k it needs that.

2yrs old and £30k though...then its a steal.

I disagree with all of that.

trashbat said:

ou've been complaining about this car for at least a year, yet you simultaneously act as if Alfa owe you something. What's it all about?

There does seem to be an unhealthy amount of dislike going on doesn't there?

LuS1fer said:

I don't like the looks at all.

I think it looks lovely, and very Alfa.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 15th February 21:28

[Alfahorn]

DJRC knows everything there is to know about the 4C because they told him at Geneva when he was trying to give them Monopoly money as a deposit. He was the first person in the world ever who tried put down a deposit on one or something.

[Esseesse]

DJRC said:

Its not going to handle aswell as the Exige. Roadster or coupe.

Have your driven either of them?

DJRC said:

The dynamics of the thing wont matter a damn.

Guess AR should have based it on a Mito.

DJRC said:

2yrs old and £30k though...then its a steal.

Quite pricey for such a dynamically compromised car.

Edited by Esseesse on Friday 15th February 23:16

[AndrewD]

DJRC said:

You have high hopes for the handling?? Who on earth would buy this for its handling????? You just go and buy the Exige for "the handling".

Its not going to handle aswell as the Exige. Roadster or coupe. We knew that when it was just a concept car 2 yrs ago. We knew it when it finally got confirmed as production car. We know it now. The last thing this car is about is the handling.

Look, frankly the car only really has 2 jobs to pull off.

1. Look good parked up on Monaco front for the sunday morning breakfast club
2. Look good for the saturday morning coffee meeting at Dana Point in California

Thats it. The car is a fashion statement. Its a design lead 150th birthday present to Italy from Alfa. Its a halo car statement. The dynamics of the thing wont matter a damn. Its aimed at hedonists, not enthusiasts. This partly explains my worry over the engine...its lacking the emotional, tactile "whump" to go with its look and "statement" impact. At £50k it needs that.

2yrs old and £30k though...then its a steal.

You old misery guts

[Rochester TVR]

DJRC said:

2yrs old and £30k though...then its a steal.

Phew...

[Dr Z]

DJRC said:

You have high hopes for the handling?? Who on earth would buy this for its handling????? You just go and buy the Exige for "the handling".<snip>

Sorry to jump on this, but if anyone cared about "handling" that much, we'd all buy a Caterfield variant and be done with it. As with all cars, you look at the whole package and decide if the 'handling' offered is acceptable for you.

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ETA: I think the 4C looks good, has a Lancia Stratos vibe about it. Don't like the headlight LED(?) detail though.

Edited by Dr Z on Saturday 16th February 00:07

[Funkstar De Luxe]

DJRC said:

You have high hopes for the handling?? Who on earth would buy this for its handling????? You just go and buy the Exige for "the handling".

Its not going to handle aswell as the Exige. Roadster or coupe. We knew that when it was just a concept car 2 yrs ago. We knew it when it finally got confirmed as production car. We know it now. The last thing this car is about is the handling.

You know that how? Oh, right, you don't - you're spouting BS.

[kambites]

Funkstar De Luxe said:

You know that how? Oh, right, you don't - you're spouting BS.

Well he has recent history on his side. When was the last time Alfa produced a car with genuinely class-leading handling?

[underphil]

kambites said:

Well he has recent history on his side. When was the last time Alfa produced a car with genuinely class-leading handling?

By definition most manufacturers wont ever bring out a car that has "class leading" handling

[otolith]

When was the last time they really tried?

[kambites]

otolith said:

When was the last time they really tried?

Well one would imagine they did with the 8C?

[kambites]

underphil said:

kambites said:

Well he has recent history on his side. When was the last time Alfa produced a car with genuinely class-leading handling?

By definition most manufacturers wont ever bring out a car that has "class leading" handling

I don't dispute that. However, the comment that was ridiculed was that it wouldn't match the Exige V6, which by all accounts (I haven't driven it) does have class leading handling.

[underphil]

kambites said:

I don't dispute that. However, the comment that was ridiculed was that it wouldn't match the Exige V6, which by all accounts (I haven't driven it) does have class leading handling.

it's tricky to define these, does the Exige V6 sit in a different "class" because it has more power than the four-pot versions?

[otolith]

kambites said:

Well one would imagine they did with the 8C?

Not sure, wasn't that a great lardy thing?

[kambites]

otolith said:

kambites said:

Well one would imagine they did with the 8C?

Not sure, wasn't that a great lardy thing?

About 1600kg, I think. Not especially lardy by modern standards.