RE: McLaren reveals P1 interior
Discussion
tony993 said:
Yes, McLarens do have nice steering wheels - the bit you grip at the sides has the same cross section shape as the bit at the top. Most other new high end cars I have driven recently have really horrible wheels with fat bits where you grip them - very annoying.
Yes why is this? I was driving a friends XF (not that high end but alas...) and I didn't like the steering wheel one bit! I have quite large hands but could not drive the thing in my usual fraction above the 9-3 position...Swordman said:
Jandywa said:
Well it is a bit more than just plastic. It contains carbon fibres for a start...
Remember, plastics all contain carbon anyway. It is merely but a plastic, nothing more. It just happens to have the qualities associated with building good race cars.
I really want to like the P1. Mclaren are an amazing company with the MP4c x12cPA1, the F1 & their F1 effort. But just cannot get excited about the P1. The door ope it looks like one of those armoured SUV's with deep sills that come well inside the door. The McLaren logo sithed into the front air vets shows that it is less an engineering effort more a cosmetic exercise. In few ways does it compare better than the F1. Although they will sell more, McLaren have had 20 years to make a car to surpass the F1. But the cd is higher, it is larger but has less space and fewer seats, less luggage space. The engine in comparison also lacks. To get 243mph & 620BHP with 550BHP/ton out of that V12 is a feat. It is heavier & has no bling. The interior of the engine bay in the F1 is a sight to see.
Imagine if McLaren made a car to compete with the affordable small sports car market. Camen, Boxter, Exige competitor. That would be sensational.
Imagine if McLaren made a car to compete with the affordable small sports car market. Camen, Boxter, Exige competitor. That would be sensational.
SpeckledJim said:
The other option is that they've disappeared completely up their own orifice.
I agree. Imagine how short-changed you'd feel if you ended up sitting beside the guy who thought that up at a party!"Did you know that the circumference formed by the inner surfaces of Lewis Hamilton's left index finger and thumb is actually 0.28mm larger than that which is formed by his right? Consequently, we designed the steering wheel circumference exactly 0.28mm more on the left hand side, which of course created a weight imbalance, which we resolved by bottling our own farts in a precisely engineered GCM, Gas Containment Module, which we then...."
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I agree. Imagine how short-changed you'd feel if you ended up sitting beside the guy who thought that up at a party!
"Did you know that the circumference formed by the inner surfaces of Lewis Hamilton's left index finger and thumb is actually 0.28mm larger than that which is formed by his right? Consequently, we designed the steering wheel circumference exactly 0.28mm more on the left hand side, which of course created a weight imbalance, which we resolved by bottling our own farts in a precisely engineered GCM, Gas Containment Module, which we then...."
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The mind boggles.
They're working VERY hard to persuade us that there's no marketing guff going on. And it takes a lot of marketing guff to pull that off.
I agree. Imagine how short-changed you'd feel if you ended up sitting beside the guy who thought that up at a party!
"Did you know that the circumference formed by the inner surfaces of Lewis Hamilton's left index finger and thumb is actually 0.28mm larger than that which is formed by his right? Consequently, we designed the steering wheel circumference exactly 0.28mm more on the left hand side, which of course created a weight imbalance, which we resolved by bottling our own farts in a precisely engineered GCM, Gas Containment Module, which we then...."
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The mind boggles.
They're working VERY hard to persuade us that there's no marketing guff going on. And it takes a lot of marketing guff to pull that off.
Cannot wait to see the P1 on track, I also think that the hyper car market has set new standards with a quality interior rather than the 1989 look of nothing just carbon, If Mclaren are so keen on weight saving maybe they should not paint the cars as they will save 1kg and maybe they should give free Gym membership to all owners so that the flabby drivers and passengers can all get down to the formula 1 driver weight of 5 stone..........
P1 interior is taking the pee, if they were serious about weight saving it why not use lighter plastics? If they using 1.5kg extra laq gloss for interior how much they put on outside just chucks all the lightness arguments into bin. The seats look even worse maybe comfy for 5ft something jokey with such limited adjustment.
Dashboard is horrible so is the display screen its like someone slotted in 3 smartphones into a poorly fitting cradle with outdated not so clear graphics. The centre console display again looks tacky and cheap but like idea of floating volvo-esque centre might may knee pads redundant if 6ft+ can fit comfortably in it and steering wheel just looks like its encouraging you to hold it the wrong way a top or bottom. Volcano red would flatter P1 more than orange which comes also brings me to my last point it needs a little colour inside cabin too.
Dashboard is horrible so is the display screen its like someone slotted in 3 smartphones into a poorly fitting cradle with outdated not so clear graphics. The centre console display again looks tacky and cheap but like idea of floating volvo-esque centre might may knee pads redundant if 6ft+ can fit comfortably in it and steering wheel just looks like its encouraging you to hold it the wrong way a top or bottom. Volcano red would flatter P1 more than orange which comes also brings me to my last point it needs a little colour inside cabin too.
jimbobsimmonds said:
Yes why is this? I was driving a friends XF (not that high end but alas...) and I didn't like the steering wheel one bit! I have quite large hands but could not drive the thing in my usual fraction above the 9-3 position...
The XF wheels are awful, far too thick. The XJ however has a lovely thinner wheel that is much nicer.I wonder why they've put slicks on it for the shoot?
I think the digi-dials look fine, just like you get in GT1 Race cars, my only criticism is that there is a serious lack of colour inside, and I can see from the oufset that any arab owners will have the problem of the UV fading that carbon dash faster than you can calculate the cost to rip it out and replace it under warrenty.
I think the digi-dials look fine, just like you get in GT1 Race cars, my only criticism is that there is a serious lack of colour inside, and I can see from the oufset that any arab owners will have the problem of the UV fading that carbon dash faster than you can calculate the cost to rip it out and replace it under warrenty.
It puts the horrible garish Huayra interior to shame!
I quite like it, but really that much weight to put lacquer over carbon fibre?
My only gripe is with these digital dials, really not my cuppa tea. Great for track I suppose, but I really like my needles where the rate of change of the value is much more easily conveyed.
Dave
I quite like it, but really that much weight to put lacquer over carbon fibre?
My only gripe is with these digital dials, really not my cuppa tea. Great for track I suppose, but I really like my needles where the rate of change of the value is much more easily conveyed.
Dave
TobyLaRohne said:
I wonder why they've put slicks on it for the shoot?
I think the digi-dials look fine, just like you get in GT1 Race cars, my only criticism is that there is a serious lack of colour inside, and I can see from the oufset that any arab owners will have the problem of the UV fading that carbon dash faster than you can calculate the cost to rip it out and replace it under warrenty.
The slicks might be because they haven't finalised road tyres.I think the digi-dials look fine, just like you get in GT1 Race cars, my only criticism is that there is a serious lack of colour inside, and I can see from the oufset that any arab owners will have the problem of the UV fading that carbon dash faster than you can calculate the cost to rip it out and replace it under warrenty.
Not all resins degrade in UV.
k-ink said:
As said how cool would it be if McLaren offered a three tier model range, covering Cayman to Zonda levels.
To sell a car at Cayman levels they'd have to either- sell a huge number, and so erode brand equity
- share a huge amount of content with an existing car, and so erode brand equity
I think they'd also need to find some big money, or sell-out to a very big boy, in order to fund a project to build a car that's better than a base Porsche at base Porsche money. Impossible on their own.
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