Peak time traffic/slow moving vehicles.

[cjb1]

Does anyone have any experience in minimum speed limits or more precisely the use of slow moving vehicles at peak times on dual carriageway commuter routes?
I drive to work in Aberdeen on the A90 daily and every day I come across diggers and tractors moving at below 20mph on a 70mph. It frequently occurs that these vehicles are causing severe braking, sudden lane changing and immense frustration resulting in some dangerous overtaking manoeuvres.
I’m considering getting an epetition going to have this issue brought to the attention of the local police and councils with a view to suggesting that their movements curbed and restricted to off-peak times.
I don’t want a bun fight as often start on PH forums, nor do I particularly want to hear anyone’s personal opinions, just facts please.

[simoid]

It's an A road.

Deal with it.

In my opinion, it's not the tractor causing the following:

"severe braking, sudden lane changing and immense frustration resulting in some dangerous overtaking manoeuvres."

Oops, you didn't want opinions.

[CraigyMc]

cjb1 said:

Does anyone have any experience in minimum speed limits or more precisely the use of slow moving vehicles at peak times on dual carriageway commuter routes?
I drive to work in Aberdeen on the A90 daily and every day I come across diggers and tractors moving at below 20mph on a 70mph. It frequently occurs that these vehicles are causing severe braking, sudden lane changing and immense frustration resulting in some dangerous overtaking manoeuvres.
I’m considering getting an epetition going to have this issue brought to the attention of the local police and councils with a view to suggesting that their movements curbed and restricted to off-peak times.
I don’t want a bun fight as often start on PH forums, nor do I particularly want to hear anyone’s personal opinions, just facts please.

They have the same right to use the road as anyone else. They do not cause severe braking, sudden lane changing - the drivers of the vehicles doing the severe braking and sudden lane changing are responsible for that.

Short of them being on a Motorway (where they are restricted), this is a non-issue.

Best of luck with your e-Petition though.

C

[simoid]

Try and get cyclists banned from the roads when you're at it then.

And pedestrians.

And horses.

Here's a fact: the road doesn't just belong to you.

Here's another one: you won't get far by swearing at people making light hearted quips, and another one who actually provides facts, on the internet.

[CypherP]

cjb1 said:

Ah I see. One of these 'my point is dead right and anyone who disagrees with me will feel the wrath of my sweary typing' posts.

This should go well.

(Yours is a non-point by the way, as people have already pointed out. If you and other drivers were reading the road correctly, you'd allow for breaking distance and control - FACT not opinion)

Edited by Bill on Wednesday 13th February 11:06

[Tampon]

cjb1 said:

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This isn't going to go the way you think would.

Edited to add, there's no law about using slow moving vehicles on A roads. Let alone times of the day.

Hope that helps

Edited by Tampon on Tuesday 12th February 16:46

Edited by Bill on Wednesday 13th February 11:07

[Willy Nilly]

OP, these tractors and diggers are already at work, they may even still be at work when you are on your way home. They may also be a key link in a chain. The digger doesn't turn up, the whole site stops. The tractor may be on its way to a time sensitive job. Your journeys must be very important indeed.

[simoid]

cjb1 said:

Does anyone have any experience in minimum speed limits or more precisely the use of slow moving vehicles at peak times on dual carriageway commuter routes?

I have no experience of minimum speed limits.

I have experience of the use of slow moving vehicles at peak times on dual carriageway commuter routes - on the A90 and A720 mainly. I can't get above 20mph.

I'd be delighted to assist in any way I can with any further factual information.

[CraigyMc]

cjb1 said:

CraigyMc said:

cjb1 said:

Does anyone have any experience in minimum speed limits or more precisely the use of slow moving vehicles at peak times on dual carriageway commuter routes?
I drive to work in Aberdeen on the A90 daily and every day I come across diggers and tractors moving at below 20mph on a 70mph. It frequently occurs that these vehicles are causing severe braking, sudden lane changing and immense frustration resulting in some dangerous overtaking manoeuvres.
I’m considering getting an epetition going to have this issue brought to the attention of the local police and councils with a view to suggesting that their movements curbed and restricted to off-peak times.
I don’t want a bun fight as often start on PH forums, nor do I particularly want to hear anyone’s personal opinions, just facts please.

They have the same right to use the road as anyone else. They do not cause severe braking, sudden lane changing - the drivers of the vehicles doing the severe braking and sudden lane changing are responsible for that.

Short of them being on a Motorway (where they are restricted), this is a non-issue.

Best of luck with your e-Petition though.

C

Fact: They have the same right to use the road as anyone else.
Fact: They do not cause severe braking, sudden lane changing - the drivers of the vehicles doing the severe braking and sudden lane changing are responsible for that.
Fact: Short of them being on a Motorway (where they are restricted), this is a non-issue.

I apologise for wishing you luck with your e-Petition.

C

Edited by Bill on Wednesday 13th February 11:08

[Six Fiend]

OP has form for being a bit shouty. Not at all stealthy, yet well modded corsa springs to mind

[redstu]

The A69 west of Newcastle has restrictions on slow vehicles during peak times.

I think that it has been in place for a number of years now.

[simoid]

redstu said:

The A69 west of Newcastle has restrictions on slow vehicles during peak times.

Fact

redstu said:

I think that it has been in place for a number of years now.

Opinion

[CraigyMc]

simoid said:

redstu said:

The A69 west of Newcastle has restrictions on slow vehicles during peak times.

Fact

Fact: The only place on the UK road network I've ever found personally with minimum speed limit signs is the A739 - Clyde Tunnel in Glasgow.

Fact: It's got a maximum speed limit of 30MPH and the last time I went through it had posted blue minimum speed limit signs with 8MPH on them.

[anonymous-user]

Queensway (Mersey) tunnel does too. (Fact)
The signs have probably been nicked by jolly scousers by now though. (Fac.... no..... wait......)

[maffski]

There are no minimum speed limits on UK roads unless explicitly posted. The sign is a blue circle with white numbers. I've never seen one (this is a fact, I'd remember if I had).

[s p a c e m a n]

I think that they should upgrade the rules a bit for abnormal vehicles now that super bright flashy led orange strobes have been invented, still can't understand why someone driving the slowest vehicle on the road would use a single old dim whirly light.

[Monkeylegend]

cjb1 said:

I don’t want a bun fight as often start on PH forums, nor do I particularly want to hear anyone’s personal opinions, just facts please.

[mph1977]

s p a c e m a n said:

I think that they should upgrade the rules a bit for abnormal vehicles now that super bright flashy led orange strobes have been invented, still can't understand why someone driving the slowest vehicle on the road would use a single old dim whirly light.

If they are entitled to display an amber warning light the choice of light is up to them

the fact is a single beacon remains the most cost effective way of providing 360 degree warning

however a banon the ones that use 21 w indicator bulbs might be a good step in favour of ones that use H1s ...

to provide proper 360 degree coverage with leds means several hundred pounds of kit. the problem is the cheap highly directional gen 1 arrays offered by the cheap end of the market are not effective off axis ...

[s p a c e m a n]

mph1977 said:

s p a c e m a n said:

I think that they should upgrade the rules a bit for abnormal vehicles now that super bright flashy led orange strobes have been invented, still can't understand why someone driving the slowest vehicle on the road would use a single old dim whirly light.

If they are entitled to display an amber warning light the choice of light is up to them

the fact is a single beacon remains the most cost effective way of providing 360 degree warning

however a banon the ones that use 21 w indicator bulbs might be a good step in favour of ones that use H1s ...

to provide proper 360 degree coverage with leds means several hundred pounds of kit. the problem is the cheap highly directional gen 1 arrays offered by the cheap end of the market are not effective off axis ...

The 360 element of the rule hadn't crossed my mind, you're correct. We just put cheap ones on the front and back if need be but we aren't required to by law so to use LED costs us under £100.

[spyder dryver]

Your e-petition may backfire on you. The usual reaction of the powers that be in this type of situation is to reduce the posted limit. 50 if you're lucky. 40 if you're not. It happened on the A610. And that's a fact!