RE: Official: Mercedes A45 AMG

[Beefmeister]

Looks much better in a different colour, as per the Autocar images:



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/geneva-motor-sho...

[anything fast]

MonkeyMatt said:

anything fast said:

most powerful production 4 pot lump in the world that will go on for more than 10 miles without needing a service..

Really?

There are plenty of cars which are 10 years out of date and make even more power and dont blow up every 5 minutes.

I ran a cosworth a while back with 400+ BHP and it did not go pop! I also had a another cossie with nearly as much BHP and it never let me down. I also know a chap with a 53 plate Focus RS with 390 BHP and guess what it has not gone pop either.. I know these are modified cars, but my point is that it really is not hard to get 360 BHP from a turbo 4 pot. And yes mpg blah blah blah but it is 2013 now so what exactly is the big deal, its just another way of skinning a cat, they could have popped in a great big V8, or a supercharged V6, but they have gone done a very un-merc like route which is very cool but no big deal in terms of power.

And non of those are production engines! all are modified

I said that already! But its worth noting the 'standard' Sierra cosworth engine was detuned for the road and without major changes was designed to run around 330 BHP and that was in 1986...

[Furyblade_Lee]

I does make me sad a liitle that nowdays so many big car manufacturesrs still produce small 4WD's that the WRC cannot get back to the old "Group A" formula. These cars are in effect what were the homologation specials back in the 80's and 90's, but still mass produced. I would love to see the likes of Audi, BMW / MINI , Mercedes, Subaru, Mitsubishi, , Volvo, Citroen, Ford all supplying factory built "specials" running restricted 2-litre turbos with boost and air restrictor limitations. Maybe a £250K price limit for a car ready to roll onto a stage. Theoretically sell them through the dealership networks, let a few nutters have one as an extreme road car too.
Would be a sight more interesting than the limited show of past years, remember how good the BTCC was in '93 when just about any manufacturer could afford a decent stab at it before the regs got out of control again? Get rallying back to how it was,

[bnracing]

1500kg there is most of the fun gone straight away.

[scottybrittas]

It's the 4 cylinder which is killing it for me. It will be nothing compared to the BMW 6.

[loudlashadjuster]

Hoofy said:

45? 4.5 litre V8 surely? Cf C63, CLK55, M63, S320, E230... In any case, what does 45 mean? I skimmed the article but didn't notice it.

Gone are the days where you could look at the badge of a BMW or Merc and deduce the size of the engine.

From Mercedes' current catalogue I could pick a dozen examples, e.g.

C63 = 6.2 litres
E63 = 5.5 litres
C200 = 1.6 litres
C200 CDI = 2.1 litres
C220 CDI = 2.1 litres
C250 CDI = 2.1 litres
E250 = 2.0 litres
S350 BlueTec = 3.0 litres

Numbering schemes that used to mean 'swept capacity' are now nothing more than target market segment indicators, representative of the powers outputs one would expect of an n/a engine of that size.

Mercedes simply wish us to view the A45 AMG as having that kind of power reserve, and they may even be right.

[Furyblade_Lee]

I'd like to see a "black" edition of this, 400+ bhp, 1,300kgs and all the st taken out of it.

[J-P]

loudlashadjuster said:

Hoofy said:

45? 4.5 litre V8 surely? Cf C63, CLK55, M63, S320, E230... In any case, what does 45 mean? I skimmed the article but didn't notice it.

Gone are the days where you could look at the badge of a BMW or Merc and deduce the size of the engine.

From Mercedes' current catalogue I could pick a dozen examples, e.g.

C63 = 6.2 litres
E63 = 5.5 litres
C200 = 1.6 litres
C200 CDI = 2.1 litres
C220 CDI = 2.1 litres
C250 CDI = 2.1 litres
E250 = 2.0 litres
S350 BlueTec = 3.0 litres

Numbering schemes that used to mean 'swept capacity' are now nothing more than target market segment indicators, representative of the powers outputs one would expect of an n/a engine of that size.

Mercedes simply wish us to view the A45 AMG as having that kind of power reserve, and they may even be right.

It's for the 45th anniversary of AMG - that's where the "45" comes from.

[loudlashadjuster]

J-P said:

loudlashadjuster said:

Hoofy said:

45? 4.5 litre V8 surely? Cf C63, CLK55, M63, S320, E230... In any case, what does 45 mean? I skimmed the article but didn't notice it.

Gone are the days where you could look at the badge of a BMW or Merc and deduce the size of the engine.

From Mercedes' current catalogue I could pick a dozen examples, e.g.

C63 = 6.2 litres
E63 = 5.5 litres
C200 = 1.6 litres
C200 CDI = 2.1 litres
C220 CDI = 2.1 litres
C250 CDI = 2.1 litres
E250 = 2.0 litres
S350 BlueTec = 3.0 litres

Numbering schemes that used to mean 'swept capacity' are now nothing more than target market segment indicators, representative of the powers outputs one would expect of an n/a engine of that size.

Mercedes simply wish us to view the A45 AMG as having that kind of power reserve, and they may even be right.

It's for the 45th anniversary of AMG - that's where the "45" comes from.

Oh, and that too

[DuncsGTi]

MonkeyMatt said:

anything fast said:

most powerful production 4 pot lump in the world that will go on for more than 10 miles without needing a service..

Really?

There are plenty of cars which are 10 years out of date and make even more power and dont blow up every 5 minutes.

I ran a cosworth a while back with 400+ BHP and it did not go pop! I also had a another cossie with nearly as much BHP and it never let me down. I also know a chap with a 53 plate Focus RS with 390 BHP and guess what it has not gone pop either.. I know these are modified cars, but my point is that it really is not hard to get 360 BHP from a turbo 4 pot. And yes mpg blah blah blah but it is 2013 now so what exactly is the big deal, its just another way of skinning a cat, they could have popped in a great big V8, or a supercharged V6, but they have gone done a very un-merc like route which is very cool but no big deal in terms of power.

And non of those are production engines! all are modified

Ok, what about the 4B11T in an Evo X has anywhere between 300 and 400 Bhp depending on model, but with 10k service intervals. It was the older evos with the 4g63 engine which had the 4.5k intervals.

[Beefmeister]

The Evo engines all have 300bhp as stock from Mitsubishi themselves. All the 320, 360 and 400 models are all aftermarket tuned, albeit by Ralliart or whoever.

[Hoofy]

J-P said:

It's for the 45th anniversary of AMG - that's where the "45" comes from.

Ah! Ta!

[baz1985]

At that level of capital spu8kage, I'd want a proper engine, not a washing machine with a finicky turbo spin cycle.

[Hoofy]

loudlashadjuster said:

Gone are the days where you could look at the badge of a BMW or Merc and deduce the size of the engine.

From Mercedes' current catalogue I could pick a dozen examples, e.g.

C63 = 6.2 litres
E63 = 5.5 litres
C200 = 1.6 litres
C200 CDI = 2.1 litres
C220 CDI = 2.1 litres
C250 CDI = 2.1 litres
E250 = 2.0 litres
S350 BlueTec = 3.0 litres

Numbering schemes that used to mean 'swept capacity' are now nothing more than target market segment indicators, representative of the powers outputs one would expect of an n/a engine of that size.

Mercedes simply wish us to view the A45 AMG as having that kind of power reserve, and they may even be right.

Rounding up, I don't mind. But some of those are idiotic!

[anonymous-user]

Looks too "in yer face" for me, but impressive numbers. I'd probably drive it before slagging it off as not a patch on this, inferior to that, etc, but I know that makes me unusual on PH.

Article could do with a bit of proofreading mind:
"That is still available as a manual and rear-wheel drive of course, if not as fast on-paper as the AMG - despite an identical torque fibure, the BMW's 40hp down. It looks like it'll have a headline-grabbing price advantage, though, will probably more than offset this in many eyes, so the A45 is going to have to do something pretty special to beat it."

Um.... I know what you were *trying* to say, but.....

[christofmccracke]

bnracing said:

1500kg there is most of the fun gone straight away.

A Mitsubishi Evo 10 weighs about the same

[A Scotsman]

Needs an estate version.

[kbf1981]

neiljohnson said:

I really like this but if its knocking on for 50k then i dont see it selling well!

4.4% APR and Merc Deposit Contribution - I recon this will end up being £400 a month for many of the first buyers?

[Babw]

Seriously, who buys these cars?

Apart from pub bragging, I can't imagine there to be any life or soul to the driving experience in a car like this. It also looks ste

At least with an M135i you can have a bit of tail out action and preferably specify it with a manual box.

Another case of lost identity for a big manufacturer in search of more sales.

[matc]

I may or may not be allowed to share the above pic of it with the optional Aero pack.....