RE: Driven: Porsche Cayman S

[mrclav]

Mutema said:

I never have and never will understand the point of spending a lot of money to reproduce a sound stage in one of the worst acoustic environments to listen to music. Burmester make some sublime hi-fi equipment though.

Because some of us like listening to music on a quality sound system with as much accurate frequency reproduction as possible whilst driving? My car hi-fi is probably the single most important set of speakers I have for my line of work and although I'm fortunate enough to use high-end ATC's/PMC's which are brutally accurate the real litmus test for my work is always how it sounds in the car.

[SlimJ]

Love it! Sadly, I need to earn more dollar to be able to afford one, and don't do nearly enough miles to warrant splashing £50k+ on a new car.

Be interesting to see how the 2nd hand current (soon to be previous) gen prices do in the next year, could be tempted by an 'R' for around £30k in the future.

[StottyZr]

Mutema said:

I never have and never will understand the point of spending a lot of money to reproduce a sound stage in one of the worst acoustic environments to listen to music. Burmester make some sublime hi-fi equipment though.

I didn't until I passangered a road trip in a Clio that had £2,500 of JL audio equipment that was professionally installed. The next car I plan to keep long term will be treated to a fully upgraded sound system. When I got back in my car it sounded like a shower radio.

[LuS1fer]

I'm sure it's a great car but I've never liked the design of the last Cayman and this looks even worse. Whe=atever happened to pretty cars like the Alfa 8c....

[greggy50]

edo said:

Here is mine. My Birthday next week, so chop chop please!


Cayman S £ 47,059.00

Guards Red £ 0.00
Sport Chrono Package with dynamic transmission mounts £ 1,084.00
Sports exhaust system (incl. sports tailpipe) £ 1,473.00
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) £ 971.00
20-inch Carrera S wheel £ 971.00
Cruise control £ 267.00
Seat heating £ 283.00
2-zone automatic air conditioning £ 518.00
Sports seats Plus (2-way, electric) £ 1,291.00
BOSE® Surround Sound System £ 801.00
Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module with universal audio interface £ 2,141.00

Total Price £ 57,838.00

50k and you still have to pay for 2 zone a/c!

Lovely car however

[BBS-LM]

Is it wrong to say I would take this car over a standard 911.

[Guvernator]

E30Addict said:

Engine in the Cayman/Boxster is a flat 6, no?

You guys are right of course, it's a flat 6. Must have been thinking of something else when I typed it.

[Mermaid]

BBS-LM said:

Is it wrong to say I would take this car over a standard 911.

Good point, price of a new well specced Cayman S will be within spitting distance of a used standard 991 - horses for courses.

Edited by Mermaid on Thursday 14th February 14:06

[edo]

Mermaid said:

BBS-LM said:

Is it wrong to say I would take this car over a standard 911.

Good point, price of a new well specced Cayman S will be within spitting distance of a standard 991 - horses for courses.

It isnt. A base Carrera (non S) is now £73k, and that is before you even put sat nav on it..

You can get a VERY well Spec'd Cayman S for comfortably under £60k, which is not IMHO spitting distance.

[Mermaid]

edo said:

It isnt. A base Carrera (non S) is now £73k, and that is before you even put sat nav on it..

You can get a VERY well Spec'd Cayman S for comfortably under £60k, which is not IMHO spitting distance.

I forgot to put used 991. The gap narrows then.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

[edo]

anonymous said:

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In which case the gap is even greater - over 20k.

Of course a used car is always cheaper than a new car. Once out for a few months a used Cayman will be cheaper still. Pointless argument.

[Mermaid]

edo said:

In which case the gap is even greater - over 20k.

Of course a used car is always cheaper than a new car. Once out for a few months a used Cayman will be cheaper still. Pointless argument.

I am glad you think that those spending £60k on a Cayman S will not be looking at the obvious alternatives. IMO OPC's will use the opportunity to shift a few slow moving 991's.

[OlberJ]

I'm wondering if this is going to be as big a hit with the general public as the Boxster was originally?

I hope so but worried it's going to appeal to the "hardcore" fraternity more and not sell in the same numbers.

[dank]

That is a beautiful car, much nicer then the Gen 1 Cayman S,

I had a Cayman S for 6 weeks, and can't see what the fuss is about...... my 996 Turbo is a much much better car all round, road presence, speed, looks, handling, toys, AND it's a 911

[BRMMA]

I personally would take the new Boxster over the Cayman mainly as the benefits the Cayman has over the Boxster would mean nothing to me, i doub't i'd ever drive the Boxster hard enough for me to be thinking that it would be better with more rigidity, i'm sure both cars are far more capable than i am skilled/brave, therefore i'd take Boxster as i imagine with the roof down for the sort of driving i'd do in it i.e. not going at 10/10ths on track it would be more fun

wouldn't say no to either though, other than the styling it seems a far better package than all the similarly priced competitors

[edo]

BRMMA said:

I personally would take the new Boxster over the Cayman mainly as the benefits the Cayman has over the Boxster would mean nothing to me, i doub't i'd ever drive the Boxster hard enough for me to be thinking that it would be better with more rigidity, i'm sure both cars are far more capable than i am skilled/brave, therefore i'd take Boxster as i imagine with the roof down for the sort of driving i'd do in it i.e. not going at 10/10ths on track it would be more fun

wouldn't say no to either though, other than the styling it seems a far better package than all the similarly priced competitors

This is probably right, and the bonus is that unlike every other make/model the convertible is cheaper!

[OlberJ]

anonymous said:

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Not a problem as such, purely if they make as many as demanded and that demand is in similar numbers to 986/996's then the values of them will drop to much more attainable levels.

If they don't make that many and it's a proper toy that people in the know covet, then it's going to stay expensive.

Look at the BS and CR, holding values pretty well. Even the Cayman/S are still holding good money for the time being.

If these appeal to everyone, the chances of them becoming more affordable second hand greatly improves.

[edo]

Tough call, and as someone else said, people will be chosing;

New Cayman or barely used 991?

What would you have?

Porsche 911 Carrera S (991) S 2DR 3.8 2012

2 Doors, Manual, Coupe, Petrol, 1,800 miles, Basalt Black, Black Leather, 3800 cc, Leather Trim, Air Conditioning, Alloy Wheels, Electric Windows, Central Door Locking, Airbag, On Board Computer, Alarm, Power Steering, Adjustable Steering Column, CD Player, ABS, Satellite Navigation, Climate Control, Xenon Headlamps, Passenger Airbag, Parking Sensor, Bi Xenon Headlights with Wash System, Radio/CD, Front and Rear Park Assist, Red Brake Calipers, PCM with Satellite Navigation, PSM (Porsche Stability Management), Porsche Vehicle Tracking System. Inc. 2 Years Porsche Approved Warranty, 12 Reg. £68,500

[redroadster]

This has got to be one of the very best cars in the world at a very reasonable price and would be at the top of my list for this type of car,including reasonable running costs how much would one be on a pcp ? pity i need a focus st estate for the dogs....

[redroadster]

Guvernator said:

Still not what I'd call beautiful, it just doesn't have that "last look over the shoulder" factor for me but it's definitely a huge improvement over the last one.

This car IS the reason why so many other sports cars in this price range fail. Brilliant handling, powerful bespoke V6 engine which loves to rev and build quality that other manufactures can only dream of. Lotus and Alfa et al, take note!

Yes totally agree theres nobody who will beat this for the money.