RE: Jaguar F-Type versus Porsche 911
Discussion
I certainly can't see it contrasted against the Boxster. The price alone means this isn't a kids car. The 911 does have the rear seats but I don't recall ever seeing a 911 parking up with kids getting out the back. The fact is that most 911s are owned by middle aged blokes who also have a family car for when they all have to go out together so I can't see the lack of rear seats actually being anything really relevent.
I've been looking at the pics of the Jag since the first renderings appeared and the hard top looked very good. I haven't been convinced by the images of the soft top in reality. It's nice but doesn't leap out at you.
However, as I was heading back to London yesterday I passed a filthy black one just outside of Woodstock. It looks bloody marvelous in the flesh, very low, very wide. It just seems to have a presence, it looks like it is hunkered down onto the tarmac. The rear lights in passing reminded me of the viper in a way, the front isn't strikingly different from more generic cars and I think there is scope for a facelift later but the sound, the sound is what is going to smash the 911. The noise of the 911 has really always been its achilles' heal. It's not that it is a bad noise just that it is not the noise a child ever made when playing 'cars'. in terms of interiors, I suspect the Jag will have the upper hand as well.
I think that this car will shift in buckets in the US and won't do badly here. I can't see it outcompeting the 911 by any standard but it's going to slot in very nicely into that bracket and be a serious alternative.
It looks great on the road, sounds great and I'm sure the cabin is going to be a nice place for tired, middle aged men to sit on his way to golf after a busy day of accountancy and trying to bang the 25 year old PA.
I've been looking at the pics of the Jag since the first renderings appeared and the hard top looked very good. I haven't been convinced by the images of the soft top in reality. It's nice but doesn't leap out at you.
However, as I was heading back to London yesterday I passed a filthy black one just outside of Woodstock. It looks bloody marvelous in the flesh, very low, very wide. It just seems to have a presence, it looks like it is hunkered down onto the tarmac. The rear lights in passing reminded me of the viper in a way, the front isn't strikingly different from more generic cars and I think there is scope for a facelift later but the sound, the sound is what is going to smash the 911. The noise of the 911 has really always been its achilles' heal. It's not that it is a bad noise just that it is not the noise a child ever made when playing 'cars'. in terms of interiors, I suspect the Jag will have the upper hand as well.
I think that this car will shift in buckets in the US and won't do badly here. I can't see it outcompeting the 911 by any standard but it's going to slot in very nicely into that bracket and be a serious alternative.
It looks great on the road, sounds great and I'm sure the cabin is going to be a nice place for tired, middle aged men to sit on his way to golf after a busy day of accountancy and trying to bang the 25 year old PA.
whoami said:
kambites said:
For me, the rear seats are a fundamental part of the 911's reason for existence, so this will never be a true 911 competitor.
Why would you care about rear seats on a 911?They are pretty much unusable.
What about a GT3?
pilchardthecat said:
It can't compete against a 911, it falls at the first hurdle - i can't say to the wife "but is has seats in the back so we can go out as a family" (whether they ever get used is not relevant)
Wrong perspective. It leaps the first hurdle as the wife will have to drive the kids in the family car while you meet them at the desitination having taken the back roads in peace and quiet. 
whoami said:
Why would you care about rear seats on a 911?
They are pretty much unusable.
What about a GT3?
The rear seats have been very useful on my old 996 and 997. They are perfect for my son who was only six month when we bought the 996. And he is 4 now. The rear seats on our 997 are still good enough for him. TBH, those rear seats are no smaller than any A-Segment hatchbacks'. If there's a point for KA or Up!'s rear seats, then there's certainly a point for 911. They are pretty much unusable.
What about a GT3?
Without those rear seats, I simply wouldn't consider a 911. IMO, it's those rear seats make 911 so 'unique'.
GT3 and GT2s are special low volume models. People buy them for different reasons...
DonkeyApple said:
Wrong perspective. It leaps the first hurdle as the wife will have to drive the kids in the family car while you meet them at the desitination having taken the back roads in peace and quiet listening to the sound of the V6/V8 howling behind you .
Kindly corrected that for you Sir :-)DonkeyApple said:
pilchardthecat said:
It can't compete against a 911, it falls at the first hurdle - i can't say to the wife "but is has seats in the back so we can go out as a family" (whether they ever get used is not relevant)
Wrong perspective. It leaps the first hurdle as the wife will have to drive the kids in the family car while you meet them at the desitination having taken the back roads in peace and quiet. Jaguar are essentially asking people to piss their wives off by buying a car they dont approve of. Sorry Jaguar, you are going to fall on your arse with this one - it's a choice between
- Buy the 911
- But the Jag and never have sex again
whoami said:
kambites said:
For me, the rear seats are a fundamental part of the 911's reason for existence, so this will never be a true 911 competitor.
Why would you care about rear seats on a 911?They are pretty much unusable.
i wouldn't want (or ask) a fully grown adult to do a long journey in the back but it is possible, especially for short journeys etc. plus the fact you can fit child seats in there, suitcases when they're folded flat (using the ingenious seat belts as restrainers for luggage).
the beauty of a 911 is that it's a practical sports car that can do so many things.
as long as the engines hold together.........
pilchardthecat said:
DonkeyApple said:
pilchardthecat said:
It can't compete against a 911, it falls at the first hurdle - i can't say to the wife "but is has seats in the back so we can go out as a family" (whether they ever get used is not relevant)
Wrong perspective. It leaps the first hurdle as the wife will have to drive the kids in the family car while you meet them at the desitination having taken the back roads in peace and quiet. Jaguar are essentially asking people to piss their wives off by buying a car they dont approve of. Sorry Jaguar, you are going to fall on your arse with this one - it's a choice between
- Buy the 911
- But the Jag and never have sex again
The Jag is a gift for your wife. It's hers. The fact that it doesn't have rear seats means she can't use it.
It's the old 'give your mum a skateboard or toolkit for Christmas' tactic that's needed here.
thats a good point.DonkeyApple said:
pilchardthecat said:
DonkeyApple said:
pilchardthecat said:
It can't compete against a 911, it falls at the first hurdle - i can't say to the wife "but is has seats in the back so we can go out as a family" (whether they ever get used is not relevant)
Wrong perspective. It leaps the first hurdle as the wife will have to drive the kids in the family car while you meet them at the desitination having taken the back roads in peace and quiet. Jaguar are essentially asking people to piss their wives off by buying a car they dont approve of. Sorry Jaguar, you are going to fall on your arse with this one - it's a choice between
- Buy the 911
- But the Jag and never have sex again
The Jag is a gift for your wife. It's hers. The fact that it doesn't have rear seats means she can't use it.
It's the old 'give your mum a skateboard or toolkit for Christmas' tactic that's needed here.
tSince when did a 997 cause a 'stir', apart from at launch. They don't raise my pulse when I see one...which is quite often in and around London.
The F-Type for me is too much of an XK downsizing project. Very simplistic way of looking at it, but the price is way too optimistic in my opinion. I will wait to see what the road tests are like, but I suspect there will be a lot of the "save yourself 20k and buy a Boxster" views aired. Jaguar may well have a cracking car on their hands but price could be its downfall.
I have just gone onto the car configurator and have just spec'd up the base model with some sensible options and have a price of just shy of £76K and the same spec on the V8 of just over £90K. This seems very expensive...maybe it is just me....
The F-Type for me is too much of an XK downsizing project. Very simplistic way of looking at it, but the price is way too optimistic in my opinion. I will wait to see what the road tests are like, but I suspect there will be a lot of the "save yourself 20k and buy a Boxster" views aired. Jaguar may well have a cracking car on their hands but price could be its downfall.
I have just gone onto the car configurator and have just spec'd up the base model with some sensible options and have a price of just shy of £76K and the same spec on the V8 of just over £90K. This seems very expensive...maybe it is just me....
mph said:
splitpin said:
An article true and loyal to the tradition of UK Jounalism (when things are real slow) .............
Something About Absolutely Nothing
Absolutely spot-on.Something About Absolutely Nothing
Motoring journalism seems to be going the same way as football journalism. Ask the same stupid questions repeatedly and try to create situations when there aren't any.
"the fact it's 21mm shorter than a 911 means it also feels unique" ......
Is that a joke .... 21mm is somewhat less than an inch!
If you happen to have been driving around Coventry in the last few weeks you will more than likely have seen one on the road (we also saw two of them in camo last year in Spain). I agree they look alot better in the flesh.
Is that a joke .... 21mm is somewhat less than an inch!
If you happen to have been driving around Coventry in the last few weeks you will more than likely have seen one on the road (we also saw two of them in camo last year in Spain). I agree they look alot better in the flesh.
If I go looking for another sports car in about 5 years, it's highly likely the F type (non hairdresser version with a proper roof) will be on the short list, as well as the 911.
So seeing as I, as a potential customer, will likely to be choosing to spend my money on one or the other, I'd say it's a rival.
So seeing as I, as a potential customer, will likely to be choosing to spend my money on one or the other, I'd say it's a rival.
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