RE: Driven: Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG 4Matic

[kambites]

Amanitin said:

toppstuff said:

because the marketing guys did'nt make a case for it.

There are 76 countries on the globe that drive on the left. You know, UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, India, Pakistan, South Africa, Jamaica, yaddayadda.
The marketing guys could not make a case for that? Those marketing guys need be fired, no ifs no buts.

Why?

[Itsallicanafford]

...what a silly car

[nav p]

Amanitin said:

kambites said:

Do you really believe that any of those companies engineer their chassis for RWD with 4WD as an "afterthought"?

Yes I do.
- it's their image
- it's what they have been doing forever.
Or else, you tell me: why do 3 out of 4 major premium sellers decide not to have a decent 4wd offer in any rhd country? 'Marketing decision'? What sense does that make?
As opposed to Audi who also, incidentally, have their platforms engineered for 4wd from the ground up?

I am no engineer...but i am a BMW and Mercedes fan, but it must be easier to re engineer a car or range of cars that are normally FWD into AWD...when i worked at audi i can remember an engineer telling us that early quattro cars subframe on the back was a reworking of the front!

[pSyCoSiS]

Impessive figures with savage performance, that WILL make your dog sick.

Leave it LHD, it will gain a cult status like the 500E W124s, maybe 15 years down the line!

[f1ten]

A perfect blend of teutontic merc crazyness. its 458 fast to 0-60, I will have one of these in 5 yrs as a German Import!

[arkenphel]

I have an embarrassing confession to make.

I always thought 4matic meant 4 speed automatic transmission


Yes, I have no interest in Mercs whatsoever, just in their power figures.

[FamilyDub]

kambites said:

FamilyDub said:

article said:

The E63 4Matic S does 0-62mph in a claimed 3.6 seconds. That is bonkers for a 1,940kg saloon car.

Have the AMG engineers decided not to pay attention to physics any more?

That amounts to 7.5m/s/s, which isn't particularly impressive from a traction point of view. Throwing a lot of power at a car is not especially clever.

^^ I never said it was clever, matey...

[Krikkit]

kambites said:

Amanitin said:

Or else, you tell me: why do 3 out of 4 major premium sellers decide not to have a decent 4wd offer in any rhd country? 'Marketing decision'? What sense does that make?

Ah, so you're saying they engineer their RHD platforms for RWD only, that would make a lot more sense.

They don't have RHD platforms, just ordinary ones which can be configured in various ways. I wouldn't be surprised if all the next-gen Merc and Audi saloons come with 4WD in both configurations, but for now we've got LHD-only thanks to the solutions they've built.

Be interesting to see a schematic of this 4-matic system and where everything goes.

[MarshPhantom]

Fantastic, so much cooler than the slightly ludicrous high performance SUVs that seem popular at the moment.

[enroz]

arkenphel said:

I have an embarrassing confession to make.

I always thought 4matic meant 4 speed automatic transmission


Yes, I have no interest in Mercs whatsoever, just in their power figures.

It's the name that's a bit confusing, did the same thing then a double take and realised my mistake. Still, with all that torque, a 4 speed auto will probably work just as well.

[Alucidnation]

Under 4S?

Ill believe it when i see it.

[mackie1]

Merc tend to be a bit conservative with performance data, I believe it.

You can lease a 2wd version for under £600/m, that is a massive bargain IMO. The new V8 is even pretty good on fuel. I reckon I could switch my C63 order to one of these and the extra payment cost would be nullified by the fuel savings.

- Mackie - a new AMG convert.

[benzpassion]

Alucidnation said:

Under 4S?

Ill believe it when i see it.

Believe it:

http://www.germancarforum.com/community/threads/au...

0-100 km/h(0-62.1 mph) 3.6s.

[bobberz]

Itsallicanafford said:

...what a silly car

Indeed..... Thank God for silly cars!

[slevin911]

Corkman said:

What's the reason for the 4matic not being available in the UK (RHD)? Is it technical or a marketing decision?

I am also A cork man

[dandare]

Amanitin said:

kambites said:

Do you really believe that any of those companies engineer their chassis for RWD with 4WD as an "afterthought"?

Yes I do.
- it's their image
- it's what they have been doing forever.
Or else, you tell me: why do 3 out of 4 major premium sellers decide not to have a decent 4wd offer in any rhd country? 'Marketing decision'? What sense does that make?
As opposed to Audi who also, incidentally, have their platforms engineered for 4wd from the ground up?

In my experience 4wd is never an afterthought. These things are meticulously planned from the start and then designed into the product. There may be a case for not needing 4wd RHD cars in some countries at the moment, but trends are analysed and if demand is expected to change within a couple of years, they will have thought about it.

[dandare]

I think the car looks ok, normally, but somehow a little clumsy on the large photo.

[Alucidnation]

benzpassion said:

Alucidnation said:

Under 4S?

Ill believe it when i see it.

Believe it:

http://www.germancarforum.com/community/threads/au...

0-100 km/h(0-62.1 mph) 3.6s.

Believe what?

As i said, i will when i SEE it.

I like the thought of this very much indeed and, I'm in the market for something to replace my steed, so maybe a test drive will be the order of the day.

Except.... no LHD so not available in the UK, and im not convinced of the complex set up of the 4WD system, especially with a drive shaft through the sump pan?!?!

As has been stated, Audi have cornered the market in fast 4wd machines for many years, and i think the AMG is too little too late.

Oh well...

I really hope im proved wrong!

[Amirhussain]

Monster

[Bencolem]

Would love that engine and 4 matic combination in a C class estate, just find the E too big and at 2000+ kg too heavy.