RE: Driven: Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG 4Matic

RE: Driven: Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG 4Matic

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ukmike2000

476 posts

169 months

Monday 18th February 2013
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Great piece of machinery and 4WD makes a lot of sense when dealing with so much power........ BUT does it still have the small and inadequate fuel tank that means your range between fill ups is about 250/300 miles? Would be a great Euro-express if you weren't constantly on the lookout for the next filling station.

I still want one!

Wills2

22,908 posts

176 months

Monday 18th February 2013
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Great car to blast up and down the motorway in.

That 0-62 time is mental.

loudlashadjuster

5,136 posts

185 months

Monday 18th February 2013
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Bencolem said:
Would love that engine and 4 matic combination in a C class estate, just find the E too big and at 2000+ kg too heavy.
Larger it may be, but with the RWD C63 estate already at 1795kg it'd be no bantamweight with the 4Matic.

cheddar

4,637 posts

175 months

Monday 18th February 2013
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Alucidnation said:
benzpassion said:
Alucidnation said:
Under 4S?

Ill believe it when i see it.
Believe it:

http://www.germancarforum.com/community/threads/au...

0-100 km/h(0-62.1 mph) 3.6s.
Believe what?

As i said, i will when i SEE it.

I like the thought of this very much indeed and, I'm in the market for something to replace my steed, so maybe a test drive will be the order of the day.

Except.... no LHD so not available in the UK, and im not convinced of the complex set up of the 4WD system, especially with a drive shaft through the sump pan?!?!

As has been stated, Audi have cornered the market in fast 4wd machines for many years, and i think the AMG is too little too late.

Oh well...

I really hope im proved wrong!
Click the link at the top of thread - it's German motor mag and their independent test figures - you need to squint, or use some sort of internet magnifying thing - it's small text.

Also shows 0 - 100mph in a pants on fire 7.6secs!


jwo

984 posts

250 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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All they need to do now is raise the top speed limit to 186mph.... 155mph is quite slow relatively speaking

Amizade

284 posts

226 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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ukmike2000 said:
Great piece of machinery and 4WD makes a lot of sense when dealing with so much power........ BUT does it still have the small and inadequate fuel tank that means your range between fill ups is about 250/300 miles? Would be a great Euro-express if you weren't constantly on the lookout for the next filling station.

I still want one!
I think a range of 250/300 miles is about right - provides adequate breaks for the little ones/wife to be sick !!!!

matpilch

246 posts

141 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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the way mercedes redeems itself during the past 3-4 years is unbelievable, someone's doing a great job there

samoht

5,739 posts

147 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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People comparing 4wd availability with Audis seem to be overlooking the fundamental mechanical difference. Audi make cars with the entire engine clear ahead of the front axle. This makes it relatively easy to take drive to all four wheels, because the engine isn't in the way.

Mercedes, BMW and Jaguar make cars with the engine sat between the front wheels. This works well for RWD, because it brings the engine weight backwards, but makes 4wd much more complex to organise, because the engine sump is where the front diff wants to go. Incidentally, AFAIK Skyline GTRs have the front axle go through the sump in the same way that's described, it's not that unusual.


mackie1

8,153 posts

234 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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This shows the audi layout quite well:


FamilyDub

3,587 posts

166 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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mackie1 said:
This shows the audi layout quite well:

Of a Quattro Audi...? confused

mackie1

8,153 posts

234 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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FamilyDub said:
Of a Quattro Audi...? confused
Read the post before mine smile

r129sl

9,518 posts

204 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Mercedes-Benz exports 4matic cars to other RHD markets such as Japan. My Japanese is not good enough to ascertain whether or not the steering wheel is on the left or the right. In the picture on the website, it is on the right. So far as I know, the front differential on 4matic models is located on the right side of the engine and would conflict with RHD steering gear.

Here in the UK, MBUK only makes available a very narrow slice of the full range. So here we get no Elegance, no Avantgarde, no 300 V6 petrol, no 350 V6 petrol, no E400 V6 petrol (must be a bi turbo, surely?) and, of course, no 500 V8 bi turbo petrol. They also limit the optional equipment. Even the full range of colours and upholsteries is not offered in the UK: no dolomite brown metallic (odd, because it is the brochure colour and about the nicest colour available) and on AMG cars at least, no chestnut leather. Of course, no 4matic, which in other markets is offered pretty much across the range. In most markets, the E-Class even comes with a traditional grille.

The E400 looks like a very interesting car that I didn't know even existed.

It's almost like they want the E-Class to become a sales rep special. All black or grey, inside and out; all with super-aggressive styling; all on rock hard suspension; all with tinfoil trim; all with 4cyl diesels.

There are extraordinary lease deals available on E63s.

NomduJour

19,145 posts

260 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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r129sl said:
It's almost like they want the E-Class to become a sales rep special. All black or grey, inside and out; all with super-aggressive styling; all on rock hard suspension; all with tinfoil trim; all with 4cyl diesels
It's unfortunate, but they know what people want (as do Audi and BMW).

The massive choice of options on older Mercedes was great but your average lease customer probably doesn't want two-tone horns, an auxiliary heater and a sump guard - I mean, how are the neighbours going to notice them?

loudlashadjuster

5,136 posts

185 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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NomduJour said:
It's unfortunate, but they know what people want (as do Audi and BMW).

The massive choice of options on older Mercedes was great but your average lease customer probably doesn't want two-tone horns, an auxiliary heater and a sump guard - I mean, how are the neighbours going to notice them?
hehe

Christoffer

472 posts

198 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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' The E63 4Matic S does 0-62mph in a claimed 3.6 seconds. That is bonkers for a 1,940kg saloon car. '

Wow, that is impressing and must be unbelievably stressful for the gearbox.

I really look forward to seeing whether someone has finally made a 4WD gearbox that can handle this much power and weight, but I suspect not. Given how Audi's 4WD gearboxes disintegrates, and Audi marketing their Quattro so much (they should therefore be the best at making 4WD reliably, but they can't do it), then I think customers are going to be dissatisfied in a couple of years for having chosen a 4WD E63 instead of 2WD. I suspect 4WD will be the cheapest ones on the used market because of repair costs.


Wills2

22,908 posts

176 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Alucidnation said:
Believe what?

As i said, i will when i SEE it.

I like the thought of this very much indeed and, I'm in the market for something to replace my steed, so maybe a test drive will be the order of the day.

Except.... no LHD so not available in the UK, and im not convinced of the complex set up of the 4WD system, especially with a drive shaft through the sump pan?!?!

As has been stated, Audi have cornered the market in fast 4wd machines for many years, and i think the AMG is too little too late.

Oh well...

I really hope im proved wrong!
With 300bhp/tonne, 4wd and launch control I don't see anything fanciful about that 3.6sec to 62 time.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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samoht said:
People comparing 4wd availability with Audis seem to be overlooking the fundamental mechanical difference. Audi make cars with the entire engine clear ahead of the front axle. This makes it relatively easy to take drive to all four wheels, because the engine isn't in the way.

Mercedes, BMW and Jaguar make cars with the engine sat between the front wheels. This works well for RWD, because it brings the engine weight backwards, but makes 4wd much more complex to organise, because the engine sump is where the front diff wants to go. Incidentally, AFAIK Skyline GTRs have the front axle go through the sump in the same way that's described, it's not that unusual.
Interesting info...thanks.

So, bearing that in mind, i dont recall seeing an Audi 4wd system failure so have Mercedes got it right enough to match?

After all, out of warranty, it could be one hell of a cost to fix, and MB have not been known for their 4WD 'cars'.

loudlashadjuster

5,136 posts

185 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Alucidnation said:
samoht said:
People comparing 4wd availability with Audis seem to be overlooking the fundamental mechanical difference. Audi make cars with the entire engine clear ahead of the front axle. This makes it relatively easy to take drive to all four wheels, because the engine isn't in the way.

Mercedes, BMW and Jaguar make cars with the engine sat between the front wheels. This works well for RWD, because it brings the engine weight backwards, but makes 4wd much more complex to organise, because the engine sump is where the front diff wants to go. Incidentally, AFAIK Skyline GTRs have the front axle go through the sump in the same way that's described, it's not that unusual.
Interesting info...thanks.

So, bearing that in mind, i dont recall seeing an Audi 4wd system failure so have Mercedes got it right enough to match?

After all, out of warranty, it could be one hell of a cost to fix, and MB have not been known for their 4WD 'cars'.
'Twas ever thus, if a manufacturer offers a 4WD option on a model it becomes known as a 'trouble spot', picked out in buyers' guides and repeated in hushed tones by 'experts' as something to avoid.

See BMW iXs, Mercedes-Benz 4Matics, any number of 80s/90s saloons (BX, 405, Sierra, Cavalier* etc.).

For some reason though Audi and Japanese marques (Subaru, Mitsubishi) seem to escape this curse.

Or could it be that most 4WD systems, adequately cared for, are pretty much as reliable as the rest of the car they are bolted to?

* OK, OK, the Cavalier 4WD system is an acknowledged chocolatey dog!

A Scotsman

1,000 posts

200 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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I think we must insist on them selling the 4WD version in the UK or otherwise we'll leave the EU.

r129sl

9,518 posts

204 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Mercedes has been manufacturing 4wd cars since 1987, when it first offered 4matic as an option on 124 saloons and estates. It is worth noting that Mercedes' expertise in the design and manufacture of transmissions (4wd being a fancy transmission system) is probably superior to that of any other vehicle manufacturer, most of whom buy them in.