RE: Driven: Mini John Cooper Works GP
Discussion
LaurasOtherHalf said:
s m said:
Are EVO going to do a bit on yours?
By the way, road test in Autocar today
No, I got in touch with Ian Everleigh but BMW had just got the press car sorted so they were using that, I'd expect a story next month.By the way, road test in Autocar today
0-60 in 6.6
0-100 in 14.9
ss 1/4 14.8 @99.6
s m said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
s m said:
Are EVO going to do a bit on yours?
By the way, road test in Autocar today
No, I got in touch with Ian Everleigh but BMW had just got the press car sorted so they were using that, I'd expect a story next month.By the way, road test in Autocar today
0-60 in 6.6
0-100 in 14.9
ss 1/4 14.8 @99.6
Great looking car and no doubt even better to drive, but its never worth 25-26k never mind approaching £29k.
The lesser branded car manufacturers are going insane with their crazy pricing on cars before we even hit the performance brands trying to match the better quality out there.......yet they still depreciate as bad as ever.
Granted this is likely to hold its money better, but still......M135i or this :/
The lesser branded car manufacturers are going insane with their crazy pricing on cars before we even hit the performance brands trying to match the better quality out there.......yet they still depreciate as bad as ever.
Granted this is likely to hold its money better, but still......M135i or this :/
TerryCTR said:
Great looking car and no doubt even better to drive, but its never worth 25-26k never mind approaching £29k.
The lesser branded car manufacturers are going insane with their crazy pricing on cars before we even hit the performance brands trying to match the better quality out there.......yet they still depreciate as bad as ever.
Granted this is likely to hold its money better, but still......M135i or this :/
Everything is relative though isn't it. It costs what it does because BMW will have no trouble finding at least 2000 buyers to fork out this kinda cash.The lesser branded car manufacturers are going insane with their crazy pricing on cars before we even hit the performance brands trying to match the better quality out there.......yet they still depreciate as bad as ever.
Granted this is likely to hold its money better, but still......M135i or this :/
Not a great car for £29K as far as I am concerned. All too point-and-squirty as far as I am concerned.
I have owned Cooper S's from both the first and second generation and the review is right. The second generation new Mini just doesn't have the same character as the first. For £29K I would have at the very least expected a mechanical diff!!!
Still, Mini lovers will no doubt justify their purchase - somewhat fairly - by the residuals but I suspect the residual values of this GP won't be as strong as the last one.
I have owned Cooper S's from both the first and second generation and the review is right. The second generation new Mini just doesn't have the same character as the first. For £29K I would have at the very least expected a mechanical diff!!!
Still, Mini lovers will no doubt justify their purchase - somewhat fairly - by the residuals but I suspect the residual values of this GP won't be as strong as the last one.
David1976 said:
I have owned Cooper S's from both the first and second generation and the review is right. The second generation new Mini just doesn't have the same character as the first. For £29K I would have at the very least expected a mechanical diff!!!
I'm with you there. I don't think they had any particular problems with the GKN torsen type diff they used to use. I don't think they were that expensive either - they used to be only about a £110 option on the R53.....and they had electronics layered over the top of the mechanical diff. As we love our JCW and kept the spec very sane so about £23k I think I'd need a bit more convincing to make the next leap. Sure scarcity will be great and residuals rock solid - but I always think every model renage has it's top and bottom limits.
So we talk of the great value that the M135i is (and boy is it!) but if they had made it £35k with £5k more standard kit, would we have all felt it was still such good value if a lot of the kit was for us frippery (I'd be even more tempted if BMW would get rid of the dead cow and make it cheaper still). So if the special seats etc are of real value the GP is well worth it, but for those of us who would simply get our bums trapped in them, too expensive for what seems a limited performance gain!!
So we talk of the great value that the M135i is (and boy is it!) but if they had made it £35k with £5k more standard kit, would we have all felt it was still such good value if a lot of the kit was for us frippery (I'd be even more tempted if BMW would get rid of the dead cow and make it cheaper still). So if the special seats etc are of real value the GP is well worth it, but for those of us who would simply get our bums trapped in them, too expensive for what seems a limited performance gain!!
Numeric said:
As we love our JCW and kept the spec very sane so about £23k I think I'd need a bit more convincing to make the next leap. Sure scarcity will be great and residuals rock solid - but I always think every model renage has it's top and bottom limits.
So we talk of the great value that the M135i is (and boy is it!) but if they had made it £35k with £5k more standard kit, would we have all felt it was still such good value if a lot of the kit was for us frippery (I'd be even more tempted if BMW would get rid of the dead cow and make it cheaper still). So if the special seats etc are of real value the GP is well worth it, but for those of us who would simply get our bums trapped in them, too expensive for what seems a limited performance gain!!
The rear wiper seems a curious omission - won't save that much weight So we talk of the great value that the M135i is (and boy is it!) but if they had made it £35k with £5k more standard kit, would we have all felt it was still such good value if a lot of the kit was for us frippery (I'd be even more tempted if BMW would get rid of the dead cow and make it cheaper still). So if the special seats etc are of real value the GP is well worth it, but for those of us who would simply get our bums trapped in them, too expensive for what seems a limited performance gain!!
I own an M135i, and have driven a GP2 on the road too.
I have to say after driving the GP2 the cost makes a lot more sense, its incredible on the road, yes the suspension is stiffer than your regular S/JCW but its so much more compliant, it always feels in contact with the road no matter how bumpy, and it just grips and grips! it is an incredible piece of kit. Yes a LSD would be nice, but at least when you over power the wheels, it doesn't under steer at all, it just wheel spins in the direction you tell it to go.
I totally get why people compare the M135i and the GP2, but to me they are very different, in the M135i I can quite happily jump in, put it in eco mode and pootle down the road. But in the GP2, you will WANT to stick it in sports mode every time and drive it properly every time you get in it! and the popping from the exhaust is fantastic!
It amazes me that people say the original GP is better too, to me there is no competition, the new GP is by far the best MINI I have ever driven on the road, to be honest, its up there with any car I have been in on the road.
When you start factoring in cost, the GP2 isn't too bad either really. You couldn't do it for that if you wanted to make your own... A base JCW is £22,450 add the Recaros £2kish, add decent suspension say KWV3s, £2kish, add 6 pot brakes up front another £2kish, you are already at the cost of a GP and you are still missing the GP's engine map and the exclusivity and many other things, like wheels, spoilers, diffusers and so on. Oh, and by the time you have added all that, you will have lost your warranty.
I have to say after driving the GP2 the cost makes a lot more sense, its incredible on the road, yes the suspension is stiffer than your regular S/JCW but its so much more compliant, it always feels in contact with the road no matter how bumpy, and it just grips and grips! it is an incredible piece of kit. Yes a LSD would be nice, but at least when you over power the wheels, it doesn't under steer at all, it just wheel spins in the direction you tell it to go.
I totally get why people compare the M135i and the GP2, but to me they are very different, in the M135i I can quite happily jump in, put it in eco mode and pootle down the road. But in the GP2, you will WANT to stick it in sports mode every time and drive it properly every time you get in it! and the popping from the exhaust is fantastic!
It amazes me that people say the original GP is better too, to me there is no competition, the new GP is by far the best MINI I have ever driven on the road, to be honest, its up there with any car I have been in on the road.
When you start factoring in cost, the GP2 isn't too bad either really. You couldn't do it for that if you wanted to make your own... A base JCW is £22,450 add the Recaros £2kish, add decent suspension say KWV3s, £2kish, add 6 pot brakes up front another £2kish, you are already at the cost of a GP and you are still missing the GP's engine map and the exclusivity and many other things, like wheels, spoilers, diffusers and so on. Oh, and by the time you have added all that, you will have lost your warranty.
loomx said:
I own an M135i, and have driven a GP2 on the road too.
I have to say after driving the GP2 the cost makes a lot more sense, its incredible on the road, yes the suspension is stiffer than your regular S/JCW but its so much more compliant, it always feels in contact with the road no matter how bumpy, and it just grips and grips! it is an incredible piece of kit. Yes a LSD would be nice, but at least when you over power the wheels, it doesn't under steer at all, it just wheel spins in the direction you tell it to go.
I totally get why people compare the M135i and the GP2, but to me they are very different, in the M135i I can quite happily jump in, put it in eco mode and pootle down the road. But in the GP2, you will WANT to stick it in sports mode every time and drive it properly every time you get in it! and the popping from the exhaust is fantastic!
It amazes me that people say the original GP is better too, to me there is no competition, the new GP is by far the best MINI I have ever driven on the road, to be honest, its up there with any car I have been in on the road.
When you start factoring in cost, the GP2 isn't too bad either really. You couldn't do it for that if you wanted to make your own... A base JCW is £22,450 add the Recaros £2kish, add decent suspension say KWV3s, £2kish, add 6 pot brakes up front another £2kish, you are already at the cost of a GP and you are still missing the GP's engine map and the exclusivity and many other things, like wheels, spoilers, diffusers and so on. Oh, and by the time you have added all that, you will have lost your warranty.
They've got the new GP up with the R26R, RS500 and A1 Quattro in the new issue. Good readI have to say after driving the GP2 the cost makes a lot more sense, its incredible on the road, yes the suspension is stiffer than your regular S/JCW but its so much more compliant, it always feels in contact with the road no matter how bumpy, and it just grips and grips! it is an incredible piece of kit. Yes a LSD would be nice, but at least when you over power the wheels, it doesn't under steer at all, it just wheel spins in the direction you tell it to go.
I totally get why people compare the M135i and the GP2, but to me they are very different, in the M135i I can quite happily jump in, put it in eco mode and pootle down the road. But in the GP2, you will WANT to stick it in sports mode every time and drive it properly every time you get in it! and the popping from the exhaust is fantastic!
It amazes me that people say the original GP is better too, to me there is no competition, the new GP is by far the best MINI I have ever driven on the road, to be honest, its up there with any car I have been in on the road.
When you start factoring in cost, the GP2 isn't too bad either really. You couldn't do it for that if you wanted to make your own... A base JCW is £22,450 add the Recaros £2kish, add decent suspension say KWV3s, £2kish, add 6 pot brakes up front another £2kish, you are already at the cost of a GP and you are still missing the GP's engine map and the exclusivity and many other things, like wheels, spoilers, diffusers and so on. Oh, and by the time you have added all that, you will have lost your warranty.
s m said:
loomx said:
I own an M135i, and have driven a GP2 on the road too.
I have to say after driving the GP2 the cost makes a lot more sense, its incredible on the road, yes the suspension is stiffer than your regular S/JCW but its so much more compliant, it always feels in contact with the road no matter how bumpy, and it just grips and grips! it is an incredible piece of kit. Yes a LSD would be nice, but at least when you over power the wheels, it doesn't under steer at all, it just wheel spins in the direction you tell it to go.
I totally get why people compare the M135i and the GP2, but to me they are very different, in the M135i I can quite happily jump in, put it in eco mode and pootle down the road. But in the GP2, you will WANT to stick it in sports mode every time and drive it properly every time you get in it! and the popping from the exhaust is fantastic!
It amazes me that people say the original GP is better too, to me there is no competition, the new GP is by far the best MINI I have ever driven on the road, to be honest, its up there with any car I have been in on the road.
When you start factoring in cost, the GP2 isn't too bad either really. You couldn't do it for that if you wanted to make your own... A base JCW is £22,450 add the Recaros £2kish, add decent suspension say KWV3s, £2kish, add 6 pot brakes up front another £2kish, you are already at the cost of a GP and you are still missing the GP's engine map and the exclusivity and many other things, like wheels, spoilers, diffusers and so on. Oh, and by the time you have added all that, you will have lost your warranty.
They've got the new GP up with the R26R, RS500 and A1 Quattro in the new issue. Good readI have to say after driving the GP2 the cost makes a lot more sense, its incredible on the road, yes the suspension is stiffer than your regular S/JCW but its so much more compliant, it always feels in contact with the road no matter how bumpy, and it just grips and grips! it is an incredible piece of kit. Yes a LSD would be nice, but at least when you over power the wheels, it doesn't under steer at all, it just wheel spins in the direction you tell it to go.
I totally get why people compare the M135i and the GP2, but to me they are very different, in the M135i I can quite happily jump in, put it in eco mode and pootle down the road. But in the GP2, you will WANT to stick it in sports mode every time and drive it properly every time you get in it! and the popping from the exhaust is fantastic!
It amazes me that people say the original GP is better too, to me there is no competition, the new GP is by far the best MINI I have ever driven on the road, to be honest, its up there with any car I have been in on the road.
When you start factoring in cost, the GP2 isn't too bad either really. You couldn't do it for that if you wanted to make your own... A base JCW is £22,450 add the Recaros £2kish, add decent suspension say KWV3s, £2kish, add 6 pot brakes up front another £2kish, you are already at the cost of a GP and you are still missing the GP's engine map and the exclusivity and many other things, like wheels, spoilers, diffusers and so on. Oh, and by the time you have added all that, you will have lost your warranty.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
s m said:
loomx said:
I own an M135i, and have driven a GP2 on the road too.
I have to say after driving the GP2 the cost makes a lot more sense, its incredible on the road, yes the suspension is stiffer than your regular S/JCW but its so much more compliant, it always feels in contact with the road no matter how bumpy, and it just grips and grips! it is an incredible piece of kit. Yes a LSD would be nice, but at least when you over power the wheels, it doesn't under steer at all, it just wheel spins in the direction you tell it to go.
I totally get why people compare the M135i and the GP2, but to me they are very different, in the M135i I can quite happily jump in, put it in eco mode and pootle down the road. But in the GP2, you will WANT to stick it in sports mode every time and drive it properly every time you get in it! and the popping from the exhaust is fantastic!
It amazes me that people say the original GP is better too, to me there is no competition, the new GP is by far the best MINI I have ever driven on the road, to be honest, its up there with any car I have been in on the road.
When you start factoring in cost, the GP2 isn't too bad either really. You couldn't do it for that if you wanted to make your own... A base JCW is £22,450 add the Recaros £2kish, add decent suspension say KWV3s, £2kish, add 6 pot brakes up front another £2kish, you are already at the cost of a GP and you are still missing the GP's engine map and the exclusivity and many other things, like wheels, spoilers, diffusers and so on. Oh, and by the time you have added all that, you will have lost your warranty.
They've got the new GP up with the R26R, RS500 and A1 Quattro in the new issue. Good readI have to say after driving the GP2 the cost makes a lot more sense, its incredible on the road, yes the suspension is stiffer than your regular S/JCW but its so much more compliant, it always feels in contact with the road no matter how bumpy, and it just grips and grips! it is an incredible piece of kit. Yes a LSD would be nice, but at least when you over power the wheels, it doesn't under steer at all, it just wheel spins in the direction you tell it to go.
I totally get why people compare the M135i and the GP2, but to me they are very different, in the M135i I can quite happily jump in, put it in eco mode and pootle down the road. But in the GP2, you will WANT to stick it in sports mode every time and drive it properly every time you get in it! and the popping from the exhaust is fantastic!
It amazes me that people say the original GP is better too, to me there is no competition, the new GP is by far the best MINI I have ever driven on the road, to be honest, its up there with any car I have been in on the road.
When you start factoring in cost, the GP2 isn't too bad either really. You couldn't do it for that if you wanted to make your own... A base JCW is £22,450 add the Recaros £2kish, add decent suspension say KWV3s, £2kish, add 6 pot brakes up front another £2kish, you are already at the cost of a GP and you are still missing the GP's engine map and the exclusivity and many other things, like wheels, spoilers, diffusers and so on. Oh, and by the time you have added all that, you will have lost your warranty.
s m said:
They've got the new GP up with the R26R, RS500 and A1 Quattro in the new issue. Good read
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