RE: McLaren P1: powertrain
Discussion
[quote=Dazed & Confused]I don't know why, but I just cannot warm to this car.
I know it's an amazing piece of engineering, but like the Veyron, it just leaves me cold. I loved the F1, however.
I don't think it's helped by the self-congratulatory, anal, back patting they put in an earler release about modelling the steering wheel on the grips of past world champions. It somehow feels a bit like they've disappeared up their own exhaust pipe - it reminds me of the South Park 'smug' episode.
It even looks smug.
(I'm sure it will be amazing to drive, but it feels like the Veyron - an engineering exercise. If it was German, I don't think it would be getting the same reception.)
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Love South Park.
Thannnnnnnks!
I know it's an amazing piece of engineering, but like the Veyron, it just leaves me cold. I loved the F1, however.
I don't think it's helped by the self-congratulatory, anal, back patting they put in an earler release about modelling the steering wheel on the grips of past world champions. It somehow feels a bit like they've disappeared up their own exhaust pipe - it reminds me of the South Park 'smug' episode.
It even looks smug.
(I'm sure it will be amazing to drive, but it feels like the Veyron - an engineering exercise. If it was German, I don't think it would be getting the same reception.)
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Love South Park.
Thannnnnnnks!
StottyZr said:
Thats quite a lot more power than I was expecting from what Mclaren initially said.
I am worried about the battery packs extra weight, 96kg is a big trade off against the extra HP. That said, the benefits of the electric motors are quite interesting, the effect of reduced turbo lag, 6miles of eletric only driving and the hard rev matching. Could make for quite an interesting package.
Without a doubt, if you just want pure performance, then the overall system power density of a normal IC engine are unbeatable currently (like an F1 engine for example) but just looking at [clarkson]POWER[/clarkson] is not the whole story! What will mark this car out is all the other tricks it brings to the party! Anyone who says "yeah, but i'd have mine without all the electrickery would be only getting half the car, and would also probably find their car is worth buttons. When the Press finally get to drive this car i think you will find a remarkable "warming" towards the hybrid systems onboard................ IMO it renders conventional hypercars somewhat one dimensional overnight.I am worried about the battery packs extra weight, 96kg is a big trade off against the extra HP. That said, the benefits of the electric motors are quite interesting, the effect of reduced turbo lag, 6miles of eletric only driving and the hard rev matching. Could make for quite an interesting package.
It's also worth pointing out that not all the cats are out of the bag, pictures showing everything BUT the electric motor which are captioned "electric motor integrated into engine block" and the currently released power outputs could be / might be / are yet more smoke an mirrors ;-)
ritch7 said:
Ok let’s see here....
Is this car going to give better acceleration figures than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be faster in a straight line (top end speed) than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be quicker than the Pagani Huayra around a track with its super-efficient little 179hp electric surprise? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be flawed in every way possible when comparing to the new Ferrari Enzo/Enzo's replacement? Most definitely so.
Is almost 1000bhp in a car which is likely going to be 25-50% lighter than a Veyron, a car which isn't remotely it's target anyway, likely to be quick - yes.Is this car going to give better acceleration figures than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be faster in a straight line (top end speed) than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be quicker than the Pagani Huayra around a track with its super-efficient little 179hp electric surprise? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be flawed in every way possible when comparing to the new Ferrari Enzo/Enzo's replacement? Most definitely so.
Are we talking about a totally different concept from the 'bling and jingles' of a Zonda - yes.
Do we know nothing of Ferrari's next Enzo - yes.
Moving along...
ritch7 said:
Ok let’s see here....
Is this car going to give better acceleration figures than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be faster in a straight line (top end speed) than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be quicker than the Pagani Huayra around a track with its super-efficient little 179hp electric surprise? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be flawed in every way possible when comparing to the new Ferrari Enzo/Enzo's replacement? Most definitely so.
Troll.....Is this car going to give better acceleration figures than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be faster in a straight line (top end speed) than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be quicker than the Pagani Huayra around a track with its super-efficient little 179hp electric surprise? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be flawed in every way possible when comparing to the new Ferrari Enzo/Enzo's replacement? Most definitely so.
But I will bite..... :-)
Your justification for ANY of this is what exactly?
Heads gone.....
ritch7 said:
Ok let’s see here....
Is this car going to give better acceleration figures than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be faster in a straight line (top end speed) than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be quicker than the Pagani Huayra around a track with its super-efficient little 179hp electric surprise? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be flawed in every way possible when comparing to the new Ferrari Enzo/Enzo's replacement? Most definitely so.
What a stupid post.......Is this car going to give better acceleration figures than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be faster in a straight line (top end speed) than the Bugatti Veyron? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be quicker than the Pagani Huayra around a track with its super-efficient little 179hp electric surprise? No I don't think so.
Is this car going to be flawed in every way possible when comparing to the new Ferrari Enzo/Enzo's replacement? Most definitely so.
Alex said:
What happens when the battery is flat? Will re-generative charging be enough to maintain full electric assistance during a 20 minute track session?
If not, then it's just extra weight.
I'd expect it will be just like F1. For example on a normal lap of Silverstone the regenerative braking may provide 6seconds of 179hp which can be used wherever you like on the track.If not, then it's just extra weight.
I think some of the criticisms levelled at this car are a bit harsh.
Lets remember, this is a money no object Supercar which is at the sharp and very pointy end of cutting edge design and technology by a company that builds F1 cars for a living.
Of course it's going to have loads of tech and stupid amounts power. But surely thats the point. We need these sorts of cars to act as a test bed for all this future tech which will possibly filter down to vehicles mere mortals like we can use - just like abs, fuel injection, turbo-charging and increasingly now things like carbon fibre etc etc.
Even if I could afford it, I don't think it would be the sort of car I would ever want - but I am very pleased someone wants to make it !
Lets remember, this is a money no object Supercar which is at the sharp and very pointy end of cutting edge design and technology by a company that builds F1 cars for a living.
Of course it's going to have loads of tech and stupid amounts power. But surely thats the point. We need these sorts of cars to act as a test bed for all this future tech which will possibly filter down to vehicles mere mortals like we can use - just like abs, fuel injection, turbo-charging and increasingly now things like carbon fibre etc etc.
Even if I could afford it, I don't think it would be the sort of car I would ever want - but I am very pleased someone wants to make it !
200g/km CO2 figure, how long before the goverment start looking at how these figures are worked out.
You may call me cynical, but if they look at that figure compared to other supercars with less power that are over the higher tax band (255g) well you just know they will change them.
Will have to remember to put the EuroMillions on tonight.
You may call me cynical, but if they look at that figure compared to other supercars with less power that are over the higher tax band (255g) well you just know they will change them.
Will have to remember to put the EuroMillions on tonight.
It's clever to have integrated the E-Motor into the block, and to use it to accelerate/decelerate the engine, but I think I would have used two motors driving the front wheels. I can't see how just the rear wheels will transmit that much power without the TC permanently intervening. But their way is probably lighter/more compact.
I have to say, I think these levels of power output are a blind alley.
I have to say, I think these levels of power output are a blind alley.
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