RE: You Know You Want To: Dodge Viper GTS

[300bhp/ton]

Devil2575 said:

swerni said:

I assume you don't use your Lexus on B roads, being 5" longer than the Viper it's clearly far too big to be usable in this country

Is the issue with the Viper the proportion of it's length that is in front of the driver as opposed to it's actual size?

So although it isn't actually any bigger than a car like a GTR, the driver has a lot more metal in front of him in a Viper.

Just a thought.

I guess similar is true of an E-Type or even an XJ-S.

[fatboy18]

300bhp/ton said:

Devil2575 said:

swerni said:

I assume you don't use your Lexus on B roads, being 5" longer than the Viper it's clearly far too big to be usable in this country

Is the issue with the Viper the proportion of it's length that is in front of the driver as opposed to it's actual size?

So although it isn't actually any bigger than a car like a GTR, the driver has a lot more metal in front of him in a Viper.

Just a thought.

I guess similar is true of an E-Type or even an XJ-S.

Or a Ferrari Daytona, GM Trans Am, 70s Chevy Camaros

[dvs_dave]

swerni said:

BlackPrince said:

skyrover said:

Oh come on it's not that bad... I always imagined them a bit bigger TBH

Dodge Viper

Length 175.1 in
Width 75.7 in

Porsche 997

Length 175.7 in
Width 72.9 in

Nissan GTR

Length 183.9 in
Width 74.9 in

Well I've not driven one in the UK but it certainly didnt feel small when I drove one. Am guessing its more a psychological thing due to the shape than any objective dimensional thing.

to quote the article I posted, "With so much of the car's distant flanks out of sight, placing the leering snout between the yellow line and the guardrail is stressful exercise on narrow ribbons. "The car seems so big I can't tell where it ends or starts," commented one tingly-headed driver."

And thats from a magazine that always loved the Viper (as did all US car mags really)

I assume you don't use your Lexus on B roads, being 5" longer than the Viper it's clearly far too big to be usable in this country

Shhh....don't let cold hard fact get in the way.

[99GTS]

BlackPrince said:

I drove a red R/T years ago. BIG noise, not necessarily a nice noise but a big one. Horrible ride and I think this would be its undoing if you were goaded into chasing down even a "mere" Porsche Cayman. Was fun but brutish and I wouldn't want to live one everyday and id NEVER have one in the UK unless it was my 4th car.

BP, I guess if you're looking for creature comforts in a brutish sports car, you shouldn't even bother looking at any Vipers.Why bother? Lot of folks complaining about how the Viper is uncomfortable and not usable, etc.....I'm pushing 66 and never felt uncomfortable driving my GTS driving 250 miles each way to summer place.I'd love to suffer owning/driving the Ultima GTR here that's even more cramped inside,LOL.The Ultima is equally brutish, noisy and uncomfortable for some!

[99GTS]

swerni said:

dvs_dave said:

swerni said:

BlackPrince said:

skyrover said:

Oh come on it's not that bad... I always imagined them a bit bigger TBH

Dodge Viper

Length 175.1 in
Width 75.7 in

Porsche 997

Length 175.7 in
Width 72.9 in

Nissan GTR

Length 183.9 in
Width 74.9 in

Well I've not driven one in the UK but it certainly didnt feel small when I drove one. Am guessing its more a psychological thing due to the shape than any objective dimensional thing.

to quote the article I posted, "With so much of the car's distant flanks out of sight, placing the leering snout between the yellow line and the guardrail is stressful exercise on narrow ribbons. "The car seems so big I can't tell where it ends or starts," commented one tingly-headed driver."

And thats from a magazine that always loved the Viper (as did all US car mags really)

I assume you don't use your Lexus on B roads, being 5" longer than the Viper it's clearly far too big to be usable in this country

Shhh....don't let cold hard fact get in the way.

Maybe he's very short and can't see over the dash

Maserati MC12 length 202.5 in
width 82 in
with the cabover design, he could see over the dash better,eh

[fatboy18]

No good for British Roads, the Range Rovers and Supermarket Delivery vans would not be able to get past on the B roads Can we bring in the other stupid large 4x4s Chelsea tractors the Tits in Britain seem to like driving!

[Mastodon2]

99GTS said:

In case some of you interested,here's a review of the 2013 Viper by no other than Michael Andretti and Tommy Kendall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUUgTTTlkZ4&fea...

Thanks for link, what a brilliant watch. That looks like a TV broadcast, I wish we had something like focused on tv here in the UK. I particularly enjoyed the bit with the Viper in LA, what a beautiful city, I must go there some time.

I think the black Viper they used on the track at the start might be the same press car that Richard Hammond drove on Top Gear when they did their US road trip episode that was broadcast last month.

[Contigo]

irocfan said:

so lets see... lazy, unstressed engine with LOADS of tuning potential and a great amount of reliability (can virtually service with a hammer lol) and returns mid 20s to 30mpg vs highly stressed 5litre V10 which struggles to see much over 20mpg and isn't infinitely tuneable.

Let's face it 450 horses is plenty to be getting on with - who cares if it's a lazy 8litre the reliablility and (relative) economy seems to make a pretty damn good argument

It's a bloody truck engine for gawds sake!!!

[99GTS]

Contigo said:

It's a bloody truck engine for gawds sake!!!

Oh yeah, explain that how it is a truck engine.There's a search engine you could use to read about the development of the all aluminum V10 with the help of Lamborghini.Why people get confused is the fact that the original Viper concept didn't have the V 10 engine ready for the media to show, so Chrysler had to graft two extra cylinders on their 360 cu engine [also known as the 318 before bored stroked to 340 and 360 later] they had for decades.
But you're partially right ,they started to put the Viper engine in their srT truck to combat the Ford Lightning.The reason for not going OHC was to maintain a low hood profile similar to the Vette.
Corvette had a Lotus designed engine for the early ZR1 and if that was such a great engine, why are they still using pushrods today [ low end torque ] and just throw some superchargers if needed more power like they've done for the new ZR1.

Edited by 99GTS on Friday 22 February 20:53

[99GTS]

swerni said:

:cough: top gear

Got it,contigo is a pot stirrer, albeit letting some haters know a little bit about the Viper's history won't hurt.

[Eighteeteewhy]

Had a blast with this a while back...

[99GTS]

Eighteeteewhy said:

Had a blast with this a while back...

Nice colour combo.What town is that? Time for a visit to jolly old England.Haven't been since 1991!
Wife was born in Brighton,love that place.

[fatboy18]

99GTS said:

Contigo said:

It's a bloody truck engine for gawds sake!!!

Oh yeah, explain that how it is a truck engine.There's a search engine you could use to read about the development of the all aluminum V10 with the help of Lamborghini.Why people get confused is the fact that the original Viper concept didn't have the V 10 engine ready for the media to show, so Chrysler had to graft two extra cylinders on their 360 cu engine [also known as the 318 before bored stroked to 340 and 360 later] they had for decades.
But you're partially right ,they started to put the Viper engine in their srT truck to combat the Ford Lightning.The reason for not going OHC was to maintain a low hood profile similar to the Vette.
Corvette had a Lotus designed engine for the early ZR1 and if that was such a great engine, why are they still using pushrods today [ low end torque ] and just throw some superchargers if needed more power like they've done for the new ZR1.

Edited by 99GTS on Friday 22 February 20:53

I guess we should not mention the GTS-R engines were originally being developed for some bloke called Ron Dennis at Mclaren for the F1 program, he backed out of a Gentleman's agreement so The engines kicked off the Viper race program.

[BlackPrince]

swerni said:

I assume you don't use your Lexus on B roads, being 5" longer than the Viper it's clearly far too big to be usable in this country

Haha mate all our B roads are just wide straight roads! At least where I live

[BlackPrince]

dvs_dave said:

Shhh....don't let cold hard fact get in the way.

Not sure if you realize that I dont live in the UK? And yes I found the Viper harder to see out of than the RX...I fail to see the issue here...

[neilsfishing]

my 1st

5 years lovled it

And now what a pair

[99GTS]

neilsfishing said:

my 1st

5 years lovled it

And now what a pair

It's a shame you have to have those plates on the front.Most people [ including the popo ,haha] would only see your rear end anyhow, in case they want to write your plate numbers down,doing something silly.
I carry my front plates in the trunk [ boot]. Haven't got pulled over for no front plates yet.Hope I didn't just jinxed myself saying it.
Awesome cars, friend got the same black ACR as yours.

[fatboy18]

neilsfishing said:

my 1st

5 years lovled it

And now what a pair

Coor, Come on, More pics of the GT2 Please and don't forget to stick one in here too

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...