RE: Ferrari F70/F150: the story so far
Discussion
hairykrishna said:
alexb1 said:
Surely it's 1.35kg to hp rather than vice versa in the article?
The Hennessey Venom GT is mad enough to be 1:1!
The quoted figure is just for the electric bits themselves, not the overall power to weight. The Hennessey Venom GT is mad enough to be 1:1!
Thats my understanding too. So if the electric gubbins adds 100kg it must add 135hp too. Which is somewhat down on the P1 isn't it? Thats 96kg and 179hp IIRC.Not that it matters much if the F70 weighs less overall.
SteveH80 said:
The car sounds fab overall, although I don't really understand the quoted figure of hp per weight added for the electric system. Does anyone know how this compares to a petrol engine?
I think what it says is, if the electric motor adds 100kg in weight, it'll generate 135 extra hp.DanielSan said:
If I win the euro millions this week I'm ordering a P1 and one of these.
Ironically you'd struggle to do that - Ferrari will almost certainly be hand-choosing buyers for their car, as they did with the Enzo...So first step would be to buy a lot of other Ferraris and start glad-handing it. After a while you might get noticed - maybe...
Mclaren are more open-minded - but it would need to be a BIG win, they usually say that to 'afford' a car you need to earn it's purchase price in a year - anything else is just pretending/renting/praying it doesn't break
C.A.R. said:
PH said:
which is expected to allow a mind-expanding 0-62 time of under three seconds.
This is where the bloody Nissan GTR has ruined numbers for me, cos a £1 million Ferrari doing the 0-60 sprint in less than 3 seconds now sounds somewhat less impressive.Still, the Ferrari will be several leagues above the humble Nissan. But it still annoys me, that all I ever think of when I read figures like this is "what can that Nissan do again?" and suddenly everything sounds much less impressive!
405dogvan said:
DanielSan said:
If I win the euro millions this week I'm ordering a P1 and one of these.
Ironically you'd struggle to do that - Ferrari will almost certainly be hand-choosing buyers for their car, as they did with the Enzo...So first step would be to buy a lot of other Ferraris and start glad-handing it. After a while you might get noticed - maybe...
Mclaren are more open-minded - but it would need to be a BIG win, they usually say that to 'afford' a car you need to earn it's purchase price in a year - anything else is just pretending/renting/praying it doesn't break
Well, the stupid comparison of day award has already been won!
How many multi millionaires are going to pick up the phone when Ferrari call informing them that they would like to offer them the "opportunity" to puchase their new hyper car, only to answer that "well Giancarlo, it's between you and the GTR....". I would fully expect you to wake up with a 90% horse head laying next to you.
also, take in to account the engineering it takes for a car to get to 60 in under 3 seconds, even compare to 3.2 or 3.4 consistently and with an element of sympathy to your servicing costs. Sub 3 seconds is very quick, The Veyron had 1000BHP and 29 turbos to get there. Its that old mantra of when a little requires a lot.
This will be very impressive, but the P1 is going to be a serious contender, but i think that the fag paper between the 458 and Macca would have upset Maranello and that they will be doing everything to ensure there is a bigger gap.
How many multi millionaires are going to pick up the phone when Ferrari call informing them that they would like to offer them the "opportunity" to puchase their new hyper car, only to answer that "well Giancarlo, it's between you and the GTR....". I would fully expect you to wake up with a 90% horse head laying next to you.
also, take in to account the engineering it takes for a car to get to 60 in under 3 seconds, even compare to 3.2 or 3.4 consistently and with an element of sympathy to your servicing costs. Sub 3 seconds is very quick, The Veyron had 1000BHP and 29 turbos to get there. Its that old mantra of when a little requires a lot.
This will be very impressive, but the P1 is going to be a serious contender, but i think that the fag paper between the 458 and Macca would have upset Maranello and that they will be doing everything to ensure there is a bigger gap.
All of these Huayra, P10, F70, 918 cars have one enormous problem ..... the Aventador. The lambo, IMO, delivers all the drama, noise, looks and performance that any of the others will ever be able to on the road, and for a fraction of the price.
This won't stop all of them selling like hot cakes, however. Such a shame that they're quite possibly destined to become garage trophys rather than being used daily.
Their levels of performance have driven the need for such extreme levels of technology and aerodynamics, that they cannot be realistically deployed on the public road ... Of course, that irrelevance is as much a positive as a negative.
I wonder what the F70 will manage around Fiorano compared to the F458 "Challenge Scuderia" wherever that car emerges from the drawing board?
This won't stop all of them selling like hot cakes, however. Such a shame that they're quite possibly destined to become garage trophys rather than being used daily.
Their levels of performance have driven the need for such extreme levels of technology and aerodynamics, that they cannot be realistically deployed on the public road ... Of course, that irrelevance is as much a positive as a negative.
I wonder what the F70 will manage around Fiorano compared to the F458 "Challenge Scuderia" wherever that car emerges from the drawing board?
Mattygooner said:
also, take in to account the engineering it takes for a car to get to 60 in under 3 seconds, even compare to 3.2 or 3.4 consistently and with an element of sympathy to your servicing costs. Sub 3 seconds is very quick, The Veyron had 1000BHP and 29 turbos to get there. Its that old mantra of when a little requires a lot.
The 1000bhp and 29 turbos was for the top speed, not the 0-60. If the top speed (400km/h) goal wasn't there, then they wouldn't have needed all that power.That sounds very impressive,
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this car will be better than the P1. Sorry Macca fans, I loved the Mclaren F1 and thought it was the best hypercar of it's decade but the MP4C and the P1 have just not impressed me as much with their looks, the powerplants (tuned V8 turbos just aren't as cool as an NA V8\V12) or the fact that the Ferrari 458 seems to have the MP4C licked in most areas and I suspect the this F70 will do the same to the P1.
As for comments re the GT-R, can people please stop, no really. It's a great car but why it needs to come up in EVERY single effin performance car thread I have no idea. Sorry but it doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as these hypercars.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this car will be better than the P1. Sorry Macca fans, I loved the Mclaren F1 and thought it was the best hypercar of it's decade but the MP4C and the P1 have just not impressed me as much with their looks, the powerplants (tuned V8 turbos just aren't as cool as an NA V8\V12) or the fact that the Ferrari 458 seems to have the MP4C licked in most areas and I suspect the this F70 will do the same to the P1.
As for comments re the GT-R, can people please stop, no really. It's a great car but why it needs to come up in EVERY single effin performance car thread I have no idea. Sorry but it doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as these hypercars.
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