RE: Ferrari F70/F150: the story so far

[Mattygooner]

TonyHetherington said:

The 1000bhp and 29 turbos was for the top speed, not the 0-60. If the top speed (400km/h) goal wasn't there, then they wouldn't have needed all that power.

I would dissagree, it's a side effect of the power and drivetrain. How many production cars are sub 3 seconds to 60? i would say less than 10, most would be insanely light or stupidly powerful. Then factor in the bits that take a schalaking as a result of that, its not easy to achieve.

[04helipilot]

BlackpoolRock said:

I think the 458 looks and sounds much better than the 12C. If I had the money to buy a car in that bracket I'd go for a 458 every time.

I am with you on this one but there again I am biased

[acespizee]

I do too agree that the GTR should not be mentioned in the same breath as the new hyper cars and even most supercars.... BUT this is exactly why i love it. It is a massive ugly and in your face F U to the industry and badge snob elitists. Anyone at any time in almost any car is liable to get smoked on the public road by a GTR. Beware.

Yours for only 35k owww..

Back O/T

[toppstuff]

I am sure it will be an awesome car, but it will also be, frankly, rather silly and pointless as an ownership proposition.

There is one really overriding thing that really bugs me about modern Ferrari's. For all of their ability, all of their performance, the bottom line is that you are not meant to drive them.

The market for modern Ferraris is dependent on usage probably more than any other marque. Put some miles on one, and the depreciation ( not to mention the running costs ) reach absurd, comically awful levels.

I know a few owners of modern Ferraris, and they all worry about how many miles they put on the car and as a result tend to ration their use. This is absurd.

Porsche don't worry about this. It seems people buy them expecting to use them. I think Mclaren will be the same.

But Ferrari's spend too much time locked up doing nothing.

And this new ferrari hyper car will be just the same.

I would rather have a classic. At least you can use them.

[British Beef]

mat205125 said:

All of these Huayra, P10, F70, 918 cars have one enormous problem ..... the Aventador. The lambo, IMO, delivers all the drama, noise, looks and performance that any of the others will ever be able to on the road, and for a fraction of the price.

Very good call and with 4wd it is always going to have traction advantage in less than ideal conditions, despite being slightly down on power compared to these new hyper cars.

I think the Aventador has all the visual and aural drama any hyper car owner could wish for, and none of this BS hybrid technology intended to provide a tenuous link to F1 and massage some emissions numbers.

[toppstuff]

04helipilot said:

BlackpoolRock said:

I think the 458 looks and sounds much better than the 12C. If I had the money to buy a car in that bracket I'd go for a 458 every time.

I am with you on this one but there again I am biased

I am precisely the opposite. Would never consider the 458 here in the UK. . McLaren every time.

[Stingercut]

One thing is for sure daddy Hunt will have one on order for his kids new 'fun' on the farm Snow Plough video.

[Rossco2010]

Given the number of these ever to be built and the mileage each is likely to do, as alluded to above, can we not see this CO2 / performance ratio switched round?

Now we have "it's as powerful as a NA engine, but 40% cleaner". Can we not have "it's only as dirty as the old NA engine but makes X% [where x should be a big number] more power".

Aside from the trickle down of tech to other models, the environmental side of any hyper car is irrelevant to owners and the rest of the planet.

[giblet]

C.A.R. said:

This is where the bloody Nissan GTR has ruined numbers for me, cos a £1 million Ferrari doing the 0-60 sprint in less than 3 seconds now sounds somewhat less impressive.

Still, the Ferrari will be several leagues above the humble Nissan. But it still annoys me, that all I ever think of when I read figures like this is "what can that Nissan do again?" and suddenly everything sounds much less impressive!

I'm a big fan of the GTR, been a passenger in two and I've seen the kind of absolutely batst speeds they can reach without trying but they fail to stir the kind of emotions in the way that a Ferrari/Lambo/Pagani does. And then theres the noise, nothing on earth sounds as mental and delicious as a high revving V12, well bar the 360CS but that is a different kettle of fish. The driving experience is more than just the 0-60 time, that being said the GTR is a great all round car. However if you gave me the choice between a new GTR and a second hand F430 I would be going straight for the F430.

(In reality however I will stick to the bargain basement thread as thats how far my budget will get me at the moment)

[greggy50]

British Beef said:

mat205125 said:

All of these Huayra, P10, F70, 918 cars have one enormous problem ..... the Aventador. The lambo, IMO, delivers all the drama, noise, looks and performance that any of the others will ever be able to on the road, and for a fraction of the price.

Very good call and with 4wd it is always going to have traction advantage in less than ideal conditions, despite being slightly down on power compared to these new hyper cars.

I think the Aventador has all the visual and aural drama any hyper car owner could wish for, and none of this BS hybrid technology intended to provide a tenuous link to F1 and massage some emissions numbers.

Yes it is a good call and at 0-60 in 2.9 and 0-125 in 8.9 seconds it is more than quick enough for the road!

[Krikkit]

toppstuff said:

04helipilot said:

BlackpoolRock said:

I think the 458 looks and sounds much better than the 12C. If I had the money to buy a car in that bracket I'd go for a 458 every time.

I am with you on this one but there again I am biased

I am precisely the opposite. Would never consider the 458 here in the UK. . McLaren every time.

I'm opposite to both of you - given the choice I'd have neither. The 12C doesn't have enough soul and interest for me, it just feels like a car that was designed without anyone smiling. The 458 is dripping with the Ferrari attitude and obsession with electronics - it sounds amazing, but I can't get past the feeling that no-one was smiling when that was designed either, it just leaves me with the impression that it's supposed to beat the 12C.

[04helipilot]

toppstuff said:

I am precisely the opposite. Would never consider the 458 here in the UK. . McLaren every time.

So we agree to disagree politely, thankyou toppstuff

[goron59]

I love these things and love that Ferrari and McLaren are competing. Life would be so boring if nobody ever built anything more exciting than a diesel Focus.

Kind of a pity the cars don't get driven much.

In my shared garage there is a 458, but it very rarely comes out from under the dust covers.

[Amirhussain]

Krikkit said:

toppstuff said:

04helipilot said:

BlackpoolRock said:

I think the 458 looks and sounds much better than the 12C. If I had the money to buy a car in that bracket I'd go for a 458 every time.

I am with you on this one but there again I am biased

I am precisely the opposite. Would never consider the 458 here in the UK. . McLaren every time.

it just leaves me with the impression that it's supposed to beat the 12C.

Isn't that the whole point?

[soad]

Amirhussain said:

Can't wait, going to be awesome, NA V12 FTW!

[C.A.R.]

Sorry for uttering the three awful letters so early on in the discussion.

For the record, I wasn't trying to draw a comparison, more moaning that that 'three-letter-word' does skew performance figures for cars like this million-pound Ferrari.

Of course the two don't compare, but in a binary world they do...

[Marwood79]

greggy50 said:

British Beef said:

mat205125 said:

All of these Huayra, P10, F70, 918 cars have one enormous problem ..... the Aventador. The lambo, IMO, delivers all the drama, noise, looks and performance that any of the others will ever be able to on the road, and for a fraction of the price.

Very good call and with 4wd it is always going to have traction advantage in less than ideal conditions, despite being slightly down on power compared to these new hyper cars.

I think the Aventador has all the visual and aural drama any hyper car owner could wish for, and none of this BS hybrid technology intended to provide a tenuous link to F1 and massage some emissions numbers.

Yes it is a good call and at 0-60 in 2.9 and 0-125 in 8.9 seconds it is more than quick enough for the road!

Sorry but no. Take objectivity away - otherwise the VW Golf would be the world's ONLY car. The Aventador isn't limited numbers, isn't invite only, doesn't cost a million. Different markets; different customers. Aventador owners will aspire to one of these machines. F70 (or whatever) owners will aspire to very little.

[redroadster]

Would love to see a litchfield nissan gtr 900bhp be tested against the top super cars ,yes it won,t have the same character but hell bet there won,t be much in it in performance and for less than £100,000
who can arrange a shootout ? .

[motor mad]

That the P1 is being built not a million miles from where I live and the fact that I'm a proud Brit, I really hope the McLaren P1 pulls the Ferrari's pants down.

[Krikkit]

Amirhussain said:

Krikkit said:

toppstuff said:

04helipilot said:

BlackpoolRock said:

I think the 458 looks and sounds much better than the 12C. If I had the money to buy a car in that bracket I'd go for a 458 every time.

I am with you on this one but there again I am biased

I am precisely the opposite. Would never consider the 458 here in the UK. . McLaren every time.

it just leaves me with the impression that it's supposed to beat the 12C.

Isn't that the whole point?

Maybe, but it just spoils it for me - I'm probably wrong, but whenever I see/read/hear about one it always strikes me as being designed to be just a little bit better than the 12C, rather than the absolute best they could come up with. That, and I don't like all the electrical jiggery-pokery, dual-clutch gearbox nonsense.